I think you'd struggle to argue beating Malmo, Dynamo Kyiv, Slavia Praha, Frankfurt and Arsenal is harder than beating Dortmund, Manchester City and Ajax.
Spurs have never been a big club. in my lifetime they have NEVER challenged for major honours and I am in my 30's so nothing to see here. the analogy is agreeable to a point. Of course those who are winning silverware are the champions of success. however each club has their own barometers of success, dependent on their budget, status etc. Surviving the drop is a success for some teams. the reality it until Poch can actually compete in the transfer market with the Liverpool's United's and Chelsea's, it would be hard for me to actually judge what he is truly capable of since in every league, the teams who invest in their squad the most, whilst retaining, tend to do the best. its a money game nowadays. We know the coaching attribute is there, tactics, game management, squad building etc, so whats left is to back him and see how he gets on.
for some reason, this does not seem to matter because we have to bash Poch and try to make ourselves feel good about choosing Ole over him. reality is we missed a trick
strange that so many miss these facts
Winks is a good player, doesnt mean he cannot have poor games. But Henderson was the best midfielder on the park on Saturday.
We will agree to disagree on that one.
I agree really, but I think to be judged on the same basis as a Pep or a Klopp, he needs to take a job where the expectation and resources are comparable. Otherwise he just hasn't proven anything.
Our highest point was 16/17, in terms of consistency over a season. We were really good that year but sadly you were also brilliant under Conte.
I mean like an achievement(winning actually something rather than not).
first bold bit - the Man Utd job sounds just about right.
By idiots or those who know nothing about the subject, so let's not worry about their useless opinions on history.
I'm seeing that train of thought on here more and more, and I can't express how annoying it is. It's probably the arrogance of publicly holding an opinion devoid of any factual context, and elevating said opinion to a position of importance, that's getting to me. Similar to climate change deniers, but at least those idiots blatantly misrepresent information to advance their theories, understanding that information does matter. Those under the Talledega Nights mentality of "anything but first place is unimportant and forgotten by all" decide to discount the probability of upgrading their deficient memories by deferring to more educated folk, using the internet, or using the Caf's search function, to be more knowledgeable and gain more context... and then they assume every individual will do the same, and unintentionally or intentionally choose to be ignorant. It's glorified stupidity worthy of only a crowded pub where facts shouldn't matter as much as banter, but useless in all other contexts. At least admit there's some element of wummery going on so that those who want to have an otherwise informed discussion don't have to waste brain power explaining why there are also achievements that may not be validated by a ribbon attached to a metal disk at the end, but are commendable in their own right.savage
I think he's the Best manager in London out of all the club's there, he didn't buy anyone last season and still got Champions league spot, also a final. Top man
Spurs were outplayed by Barcelona at Wembley, Man City at the Etihad and Ajax at home, that's 3 matches out of 13, that's not literally every team, even if you choose to make every case that we've been outplayed (as if it's only occurred to us), being outplayed by teams who shock horror play in Europe's prime competition is to be expected from time to time, every team with has been out outplayed at some point in the competition, it's a meaningless argument.
Totally pointless thing to bring up, if you want talk about form why don't you focus on the first half of the season where Spurs' form was excellent which was largely a factor as to why we managed to get in the top four in the end.
Agree with that granted you can allow for stodgy performances due to mitigating circumstances that he was facing with the players being well and truly f'd and the amount of key injuries we had then he can be forgiven.
If he was at a bigger club he'd have money to spend, that's the point. There's clubs out there pissing up 500k a week and spending £100m on players, if spurs were in a position to do that he would undoubtedly be doing better, there's no science to it.He is still at Spurs doing a job that would get him sacked from the United job so it's hard to say for him. I wouldn't see him as a guaranteed success at United. I think it would be an unknown and a risk.
Well yes but none of this addresses the point really. You can't say he would be doing better if he was at a club that spends more on signings/salaries etc. Because he has never tried. Plenty of managers have looked decent until they were under pressure to win things and managing players with egos who expect to win things.Spurs were outplayed by Barcelona at Wembley, Man City at the Etihad and Ajax at home, that's 3 matches out of 13, that's not literally every team, even if you choose to make every case that we've been outplayed (as if it's only occurred to us), being outplayed by teams who shock horror play in Europe's prime competition is to be expected from time to time, every team with has been out outplayed at some point in the competition, it's a meaningless argument.
And since when do people place importance on being outplayed, it's the end result that matters - at least that's what I've been constantly told since Saturday evening and when we got knocked out by Juve last season.
Totally pointless thing to bring up, if you want talk about form why don't you focus on the first half of the season where Spurs' form was excellent which was largely a factor as to why we managed to get in the top four in the end.
Agree with that granted you can allow for stodgy performances due to mitigating circumstances that he was facing with the players being well and truly f'd and the amount of key injuries we had then he can be forgiven.
Finishing in the top 4 (yet again) and reaching the CL final is something that Ole can only dream of at this point.He is part of a 3 man transfer committee - which includes Levy and our head of youth development - and no player is signed or sold without his agreement.
Not winning anything is something that any manager can do any season if they want. No one is claiming Ole is a great manager at this point.
Yeah any manager can get to a CL final by beating Dortmund, City, Ajax. Easy task, simple stuff.
So if Ole finishes in the top 4 next season and reaches the CL final (just as Pochettino has done for Spurs), according to you United would sack him?
That’s a very fair response Squishy. He’s had bugger all to spend but has got a team playing above their station imo, with a CL Final and top 4 again. Brilliant manager, deserves a club that will back him with serious funds. In the PL it’s going to take some serious money now to compete with City and Pool. If he leaves Spurs I hope it is for a team with serious ambitions and the money to match. United should, theoretically, be the one team in England to offer that - but I suspect we are so far off the pace he will move, if indeed he does, to somewhere else in Europe.
If it was his fourth year in charge and we'd played at a similar level to you I doubt the mood would be positive on here. It already isn't positive and he's only had 6 months so far. A CL final might save his job temporarily in those circumstances but then based on Woodward's behaviour in the past I wouldn't be sure of that.
Getting to the CL final is rightly seen as an achievement. Losing it isn't.
When he was appointed Spurs were finishing 6th/7th. It's no shock now when they finish in the top 4 now and it's also crucial with paying the bills for the new stadium.
The same ones praising Poch would be all over Ole for not motivating the players.
It's always better to be a winner than loser, it builds confidence and it breeds a mentality of wanting more.
Well said.
I call it unbelievable to be honest, but remarkable is good as well. As I stated earlier, Pochettino needs serious investment with ready made quality players not average players that he can develop.
Since no one is giving you the attention that you're craving for, allow me to entertain your post.
