RedorDead21
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Yeah he's comparable to Jose......I'd be surprised if there was even one such Spurs fan.
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Yeah he's comparable to Jose......I'd be surprised if there was even one such Spurs fan.
It's not really a question of comparison. It's simply that Pochettino fits with Spurs and Mourinho doesn't.Yeah he's comparable to Jose......
Honestly cant see it happening this summer anyway, I love how media write such leading headlines "discussed as possible" how many others are being discussed.Sky and Sportbild saying that Pochettino is being discussed as possible Heynckes successor.
Would you want him?Sky and Sportbild saying that Pochettino is being discussed as possible Heynckes successor.
A little harsh on him there, as a club he has us punching well aboove our weight, I really don't get how this goes unnoticed, but yeah I would like us to get the FA Cup this year.Could really do with winning the FA cup this year. Going trophyless for 3 years with a top 3 team in the league doesn't look too promising
Really does make the semi a huge game. With Chelsea stuttering whoever wins would be considered favourite for the final, and both sides really need a trophy. Pochettino for the above, Jose to ease the pressure that has built in last couple of weeks.Could really do with winning the FA cup this year. Going trophyless for 3 years with a top 3 team in the league doesn't look too promising
I agree, people here are using his good work as a stick to beat him with.A little harsh on him there, as a club he has us punching well aboove our weight, I really don't get how this goes unnoticed, but yeah I would like us to get the FA Cup this year.
If he wins the FA cup it will be "well he needs to win the league" its just how football is.I agree, people here are using his good work as a stick to beat him with.
As a club yeah, but not as a team.A little harsh on him there, as a club he has us punching well aboove our weight, I really don't get how this goes unnoticed, but yeah I would like us to get the FA Cup this year.
Yes ofc we should be good enough to win something no one is denying that, I am certainly not. The problem is domestically other teams are very good too not everyone can be a winner. I certainly wouldn't say Alli is the best CAM around. I want us to win something but I am not going to be Poch out if he doesn't this season.As a club yeah, but not as a team.
I don't quite get this - in half the threads i see you guys talk about how Kane is the best striker in the world, Eriksen and Alli are some of the best CAMs around, Dembele a great CM, the CBs among the best in the world.
So if if that true and Poch should have enough to win something with them.
I don't follow Spurs enough to be able to tell.Would you want him?
Who would you want, and who is available, please take Klopp just for the meltdown.I don't follow Spurs enough to be able tell.
Well, right now there's a bigger chance that one of the other 3 teams win than Spurs. Spurs might be the strongest team, but because of the draw Chelsea are slight favourites since they only need to beat one top 5 team. If we play well, but get unlucky against either United and Chelsea, can you blame Poch? If we set up badly or play badly then that's different, but against experienced managers and expensive squads like Chelsea and United, many things can happen.Yeah they have to be considered favourites to win the FA Cup, failure to do so would be another blow for Pochettino. It's their home ground and they've already dismantled United there this season. And this season you'd regard them as a better team then Chelsea or Southampton.
Last season Spurs finished on 86 points. He has faults, who doesn't, and until this season I think his big game management was a weak point, but this season he has been a lot better here too. The Spurs team play like a well drilled unit, but that doesn't mean they should be expected to win when many teams are competing.As a club yeah, but not as a team.
I don't quite get this - in half the threads i see you guys talk about how Kane is the best striker in the world, Eriksen and Alli are some of the best CAMs around, Dembele a great CM, the CBs among the best in the world.
So if that's true and Poch should have enough to win something with them.
... PepWho would you want, and who is available, please take Klopp just for the meltdown.
Well it's quite obviously not true. Not to mention that they have almost no depth outside their first eleven I feel Poch got them punching well above their weight.As a club yeah, but not as a team.
I don't quite get this - in half the threads i see you guys talk about how Kane is the best striker in the world, Eriksen and Alli are some of the best CAMs around, Dembele a great CM, the CBs among the best in the world.
So if that's true and Poch should have enough to win something with them.
That's not true. Here is our 2nd XI (in my view):Well it's quite obviously not true. Not to mention that they have almost no depth outside their first eleven I feel Poch got them punching well above their weight.
Why not. He’s younger than Ancelotti while showing less of the stubbornness of Guardiola. He might also get along better with the way Bayern is run since he has got quite a bit of Lewy experience.Would you want him?
Since when is Dire second team. Also the front 4 are barely midtable team players, granted Moura might not yet have a chance to show what he is capable off but the rest can't really replace anyone in your attack right now.That's not true. Here is our 2nd XI (in my view):
------------ Vorm
Aurier - Dier - Sanchez - Davies
------ Wanyama - Winks
Sissoko - Lamela - Moura
---------- Llorente
That XI would give many a Prem team a run for their money.
Dier normally plays as DM, but if neither of our first XI CBs were available then he'd shift to CB, with Wanyama playing as DM instead.Since when is Dire second team. Also the front 4 are barely midtable team players, granted Moura might not yet have a chance to show what he is capable off but the rest can't really replace anyone in your attack right now.
Agreed on Lamela he looks like a new signing since his return, really really good. His eye for a through ball and tenacity is great, just wish he would score more of the goals he did at Roma.Dier normally plays as DM, but if neither of our first XI CBs were available then he'd shift to CB, with Wanyama playing as DM instead.
I agree that it's too early to really comment on Moura, but I don't agree about Lamela ... in my view he's a quality player and it's a toss-up whether he'd equally well fit in with a first XI.
Sissoko and Llorente I'll grant you, but that's just 2 players out of XI.
Overall I think my 2nd XI line-up shows that Spurs have decent squad depth.
Well, exactly, I would hope someone like Pochettino is at the very least being 'discussed' by our board while we're looking for a new coach lol.Honestly cant see it happening this summer anyway, I love how media write such leading headlines "discussed as possible" how many others are being discussed.
How does it work with managers, does Levy have to "ok" any discussions? Maybe a silly question, Poch doesn't have an agent.Well, exactly, I would hope someone like Pochettino is at the very least being 'discussed' by our board while we're looking for a new coach lol.
However, both SportBild and Didi Hamann claim we have contacted him to sound him out, so there might be a bit more to it than just discussing.
Good manager, but it's not going to happen now, from both sides.
We have other candidates who are promising, and Pochettino also surely has a couple of interesting options, should he want to leave at all.
No idea if there are formal restrictions like there are with players.How does it work with managers, does Levy have to "ok" any discussions? Maybe a silly question, Poch doesn't have an agent.
It's more that he has to win trophies surely? No one will expect Poch to win the PL next season but the domestic cups are where I thought they might have had some success over the last few years.If he wins the FA cup it will be "well he needs to win the league" its just how football is.
Virtually no-one expects Spurs to win the league; City are favourites and United and Chelsea are outsiders. Spurs best chance to win the league was when Leicester won it, because all the big money teams under performed. Winning the league is almost always about investing in the team, so you have the squad depth to last the season.It's more that he has to win trophies surely? No one will expect Poch to win the PL next season but the domestic cups are where I thought they might have had some success over the last few years.
While I agree, football has turned into just winning silverware, it's more a constant need to get top 4. Look at Leicester, or even Blackburn. Winning the league didn't mean they could sustain competing with the best. Even random cup wins for teams in the long term means nothing going forward. There needs to be more of a progressive plan.It's more that he has to win trophies surely? No one will expect Poch to win the PL next season but the domestic cups are where I thought they might have had some success over the last few years.
So he should retire now? I don't get your point really. Unless ur an elite team manager with an open cheque book ur unimportant? Horseshit.Mourinho can retire tomorrow, while poch takes united or barca or bayern or any team in the world and he'll still wont be able to replicate mourinho trophy cabinet.
8 league titles and 2 european champions league inc.1 treble.
Pochetinno will have a remarkable career if he won half of what mourinho won.
I think he's more saying that Poch shouldn't be compared to the likes of Mou, Pep, Fergie etc who have won an extrordonariy amount of trophies in their careers. If Poch can either win titles with Spurs or move to another club and win titles and a champions league or two then he will be seen as a highly successful manager; even if he never manages to recreate the influence of the managers I mentioned.So he should retire now? I don't get your point really. Unless ur an elite team manager with an open cheque book ur unimportant? Horseshit.
You never know tbh. Obviously it would be some achievement for him to do so, but for instance Zidane won quite a lot in a short space of time at Madrid, and Poch does have the talent to pull it off, we just don't know if he has the final edge to become a winner yet.Mourinho can retire tomorrow, while poch takes united or barca or bayern or any team in the world and he'll still wont be able to replicate mourinho trophy cabinet.
8 league titles and 2 european champions league inc.1 treble.
Pochetinno will have a remarkable career if he won half of what mourinho won.
Who's comparing them? Jose is arguably the most successful club manager in the world still managing. But as always his success needs to be measured and reviewed. I hate the elitism in football, Pepe and Jose are successful at the biggest clubs in the country with massive funds to spend, does that make the the best managers? Believe it or not, there is football outside the elite lol, dare I say it where foootball isn't simply about who wins the most.I think he's more saying that Poch shouldn't be compared to the likes of Mou, Pep, Fergie etc who have won an extrordonariy amount of trophies in their careers. If Poch can either win titles with Spurs or move to another club and win titles and a champions league or two then he will be seen as a highly successful manager; even if he never manages to recreate the influence of the managers I mentioned.
Well, it would appear @Sky1981 was comparing them. I wasn't aware that I was being elitist, I didn't even necessarily say that Poch won't end up being as good a manager as Jose or Pep at their peak. All I suggested is that both managers have won an extraordinary amount, which is as much down to circumstance and intelligent moves as it is actual managerial ability. Jose has been successful at Porto though, who didn't have massive funds which debunks your point. I'm well aware there is football outside the elite, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but unfortunately United aren't exactly up their with the elite clubs at the moment. Jose wouldn't be a disaster at Spurs, your squad is very, very strong. He wouldn't need money because Levy and Poch have already built a ready made top English side.Who's comparing them? Jose is arguably the most successful club manager in the world still managing. But as always his success needs to be measured and reviewed. I hate the elitism in football, Pepe and Jose are successful at the biggest clubs in the country with massive funds to spend, does that make the the best managers? Believe it or not, there is football outside the elite lol, dare I say it where foootball isn't simply about who wins the most.
When I say I wouldn't want Jose at Spurs I'm not saying it because he isn't a good manager I'm saying it because it would be an absolute disaster. He would fail and tell absolutely everyone why. Again Jose is a good manager when he has what he needs, he has not done anything to tell me he couldn't do it at Stoke on a wet evening.
Firstly chill out, Jose would not fit at Spurs, even at United he's saying he needs more money. If Jose said what he has said at Spurs Levy would pull the trigger, I'm not slagging him off, but it's a terrible fit. And at Porto I think you need to look at the squad he had, one swallow sure as shit doesn't make a summer.Well, it would appear @Sky1981 was comparing them. I wasn't aware that I was being elitist, I didn't even necessarily say that Poch won't end up being as good a manager as Jose or Pep at their peak. All I suggested is that both managers have won an extraordinary amount, which is as much down to circumstance and intelligent moves as it is actual managerial ability. Jose has been successful at Porto though, who didn't have massive funds which debunks your point. I'm well aware there is football outside the elite, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but unfortunately United aren't exactly up their with the elite clubs at the moment. Jose wouldn't be a disaster at Spurs, your squad is very, very strong. He wouldn't need money because Levy and Poch have already built a ready made top English side.
I'm not sure its helpful to discussion to suggest people who believe Pep and Jose are currently better managers than Poch are elitist. It's also a strange statement to make that Jose would struggle with a squad that has arguably the best defence, and certainly the best striker in the league, along with one of the most hard working and dedicated units out of the top sides.