Where else are you getting a player the level of Maguire’s for less than £30m who’s not on a free. Get real.The gap in football doesn't mean you gladly overpay for a larger club's wantaways.
If you honestly think West Ham would spend £30m on a 30-year-old Maguire (who is on a downward trajectory and they have no chance of getting significant value for) then I don't know what else to tell you.
Maguire the best player on West Ham?
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As an illustration would people be unhappy if our summer ended with: Kane, Emi Martinez, Rabiot and Ndicka?
Not spending on every position can in theory allow us to have that kind of summer.
Not spending on every position can in theory allow us to have that kind of summer.
I know what you’re trying to go. But Ndicka we don’t need as he’s left footed and Martinez would be too expensive for his profile.
That would be a dream summer.
United need a left footed CB so Shaw can play primarily as a LB, arguably the best in his position in the league. Shaw as a LB is essential to United as a whole, not as CB emergency cover.
I'd accept that knowing United have to build progressively, and it introduces a path way for younger players like Fernandez (LB), Hannibal, Mainoo (think he needs a loan), and Amad.
I take the illustration, not particularly happy with the other players, but yes I would be happy with the strategy.
So who is this Martinez block that normally plays there.
The issue we have is the right side where Varane cannot play twice a week with the drop off not being the same.
Is Ndicka going to play right side CB.
The opinions of some of you people.
Lindelof is totally capable of playing that rotational role as he's shown. If Ndicka comes in as Lindelof's replacement then fine as Lindelof may want to start somewhere else. But Maguire is going and United need 4 CBs.
Lisandro, Varane, Lindelof, Ndicka/4th CB is more than adequate.
it's an illustration, you can change all the names if you want to. The point is that two expensive players with two cheap capable players can make for a very good summer. People are too focused on things that do not matter, you don't put bags of money on the field, what matters is to have good players and build solid depth.
My point is the pressing issue is the right CB not the left. Which is why it makes not sense getting a left footed CB. Which is why we haven’t been linked with any.
Our problem is nearly always we can only make the obvious expensive signings, so we're never able to do the overhaul that we need. Smaller clubs unearth gems for cheap and then we go and give them £80m for them instead of getting them at source.
Spend the budget we have on a striker and midfielder.
And the rest, you either need to pick up frees, cheap shrewd signings, or only spend the money that you've raised in sales to replace those players. For example whatever money we raise for Maguire/Bailly/Tuanzebe is what we need to find a CB for. Whatever money we raise for Mctominay should be how much we spend on his replacement as a rotation option.
I think we need 2 midfielders really.
I'd prefer a more mobile striker than Kane. And another young-ish CM instead of Emi Martinez.
Although if we could sell both Maguire and Lindelof and get that Napoli CB and no need for Ndicka (isn't he LCB?), that would be an almost perfect window.
EDIT: So Ndicka can play LB also. Now that makes him more appealing.
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If we acquired Rabiot and signed Sabitzer permenently (for a cheap price), that would be our equivalent to when Arsenal had Guendouzi and David Luiz in terms of lookalikes.
She'd be happy for a date with @Ayoba
He'd be a very good addition, 80% of the people on this thread don't watch Serie A regularly, he's been outstanding for Juve (and France) this past season.
8 goals in the league, 2 in CL, 1 in Europa - that's a very good return for what's essentially a Scott McT / Eriksen upgrade. He's not a playmaker, but he's a solid CM/DM
8 goals in the league, 2 in CL, 1 in Europa - that's a very good return for what's essentially a Scott McT / Eriksen upgrade. He's not a playmaker, but he's a solid CM/DM
The level of a player who consistently targeted by the opposition? The level of a player who has become a meme? The level of a 4th choice center half 30 year old center half?
Comical stuff.
Personally I don't like him and especially his mum. Don't think he's a top player either. But if ETH wants him it's ok then. Anyway hope this is just another made up rumour.
Yes. EMI Martinez would be the wrong keeper - his distribution appears to be average. And I think midfield needs more than Rabiot but if we don’t have money what can you do about that.
Still worth 30m, and i believe he would be much better fit for West Ham and Moyes then Man United and the type of style football Ten Hags wants to play (starting our attacks from GK to CBs and then further up the field).
Also, he has a lot of PL experience both from Leicester and United and also from big competitions with the national team where he is a regular starter and often plays much better then he has ever done with United.
I still believe the pressure from him first becoming most expensive CB ever in PL to being named the captain in a team where things were anything then stabile. Him taking a step back (joining West Ham for example) would do him good in all ways and would make him more comfortable and maybe find his way back to being a stabile CB playing for top 15-7 team with Moyes as a coach and a team that is more focused on defending then having expectations to win every game, be the leader when playing with guys like Varane, Casemiro, Bruno etc that are all more suited to be the captain of Man United 2023.
So. If we, and I am sure we/he will, get some offers (if we make it clear that he is available for sale). I can see teams like Newcastle, West Ham and maybe even a like Brighton that will have a lot of money to spend after selling Trossard to Arsenal and now Caisedo and Mac Allister this summer.
With that said, i believe we can sell him for 35-40m this summer. Half our money back, thank him for at least always standing up for Manchester United and our fans and we move on with Varane, Martinez, Lindelöf + and new 4th CB.
Let‘s hope then that we already changed course. I think we have bought solid players in Martinez, Casemiro and Eriksen. Malacia was cheap and is a backup (for now) and Antony would be seen as a great acquisition if he had cost 60 million instead of 90.
I don‘t see an issue with last summer‘s signings whatsoever. It‘s more who we didn‘t get: a top striker (for which Ronaldo is to blame, he should have moved on in the summer).
Ten Hag can take his mum for dinner. If that doesn‘t work, we take up a collection to take care of her.
No thank you
Getting him shows ETH is looking at strength in the squad not just first 11 because I’m confident we will go for another midfielder. Not just this guy.
There is worrying lack of links to an 8
Yes we definitely need two midfielders,one could be Rabiot then either a playmaker or a pure DM who can provide cover for Casa
I'm more than happy to stick with Casemiro, Eriksen and Bruno midfield, with Rabiot used to rotate with Eriksen and also provide backup for Casemiro if it helps us to sign keeper, striker, and right back. I believe an upgrade in GK is necessary to improve our away games by having better control against high press. I also think we need new right back that is progressive and a threat to make our right flank unpredictable.
My apologies, make it 4 or 5. Martial scored a nice goal v Wolves, but in no way would you describe it as an outstanding performance.Come on now
That worries me as well.
Still hopeful that changes and it's not just Rabiot then on to different part of the team when we need different midfield profiles. This midfield still needs a technical player who is quality on the ball,however where do they fit into our setup.
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All that but yet he’s still England’s main CB. Again have some understanding of what club he plays for. Your favourite understudy from England would probably fail here too. So relax.
This is an incomprehensible and criminal decision by Southgate.
Well it will also be someone’s decision to pay north of £30m for him in the summer. Which like Southgate I can see happening.
List us clubs that will pay £30m on 30 years old CB.
Rabiot is a quality footballer, would be a great addition and would help the current three, hugely. But we need a more dynamic, quick, responsible, athletic, ball-winner. Fred, McT have to go. Keep Sabitzer as he deserves more time, definitely.
So why not just let Sabitzer go and get the player you’ve described
Not only that, matching a salary close to £200k. Maguire is a good enough mid level PL player, he’s just a hard sell with his salary and transfer valuation.
On what basis or past reference do you think they want to spend £30m on 30 years old CB this summer transfer window?
The fact you mentioned Chelsea when they just spent massive on Fofana and Badiashile on top of koulibaly, Silva, and Chalobah shows you are just listing me names randomly without have a think about it. I really need explanation of where the idea of teams will spend £30m on 30 years old CB this summer transfer window, not just make random assumption without thinking.
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