So, this is officially abandoned?
All Time Reserves Draft | Quarters
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Not to mention that other managers like @harms and some newly voters are offended and likely to retire from the following games.
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This is the opportunity to innovate in the future regarding the process and the rules.
It'll be back on after a week or two. Hope there's enough interest...
Not offended, just taking a break.
Sorry if I'm wrong but I don't think there is a large-scale conspiracy aimed at eliminating Aldo.
I guess 3 or 4 voters have voted for BBRBB because he possesses more modern players (mascherano, maicon, thiago silva, godin, buffon...).
I personally prefer a loss 32-26 than a 7-6 loss in my previous game (low vote participation rate & number of posts despite my orange story-telling).
Unfortunately, in the last games, we departed from the core of the game: discussions regarding tactics, players and the history of the game.
We have probably discouraged some new fair voters but I do understand the feelings of Aldo.
Like in the real world, the best team doesn't always win and I am here to bear witness to it
I guess 3 or 4 voters have voted for BBRBB because he possesses more modern players (mascherano, maicon, thiago silva, godin, buffon...).
I personally prefer a loss 32-26 than a 7-6 loss in my previous game (low vote participation rate & number of posts despite my orange story-telling).
Unfortunately, in the last games, we departed from the core of the game: discussions regarding tactics, players and the history of the game.
We have probably discouraged some new fair voters but I do understand the feelings of Aldo.
Like in the real world, the best team doesn't always win and I am here to bear witness to it
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@Downcast I'm not stopping because Of the sabotage, it's just so hectic for me in real life that I haven't really been contributing like normal ( you can ask @Joga_Bonito how shit I've been).
I'm definitely up for another one but maybe we should knock it on the head for a few months considering how pissed off other caftards are with all the draft threads in the footie forums.
I'm definitely up for another one but maybe we should knock it on the head for a few months considering how pissed off other caftards are with all the draft threads in the footie forums.
At this point it doesn't really matter whether you're right or wrong, the damage is done regardless. But for the record, Aldo didn't throw his toys out the pram here - it's clearly more to it than that. It's not the voting itself - as pointed out by several others, that can legitimately happen from time to time (a sudden influx of votes in one direction or the other). So, it's not (simply) that. Read through a couple of the latest match threads, and you'll see that an unusual amount of posters who clearly have no interest in the thing as such pop round just to take the piss.
Anyway, if someone wants to pick up the pieces here and finish the draft, I'm sure Aldo wouldn't mind that. You'll need replacement managers all over the place, though, it would seem.
I've been an advocate in the past for slowing down the pace a bit - and I still think that's not a bad idea, not least because we never actually get around to discussing properly what changes can be made, and so on, because of the constant new drafts being started. But this is different. We shouldn't stop running drafts out of fear of pissing off fellow posters. That would be ridiculous.
If people have a problem with the drafts, they need to say so - that's obviously fair (though I can't imagine why it shouldn't be possible to simply ignore the draft threads - I ignore most threads on the main page myself), and then someone with authority can put their foot down if needed. Until that happens, however, I don't see why we should have to tread lightly here - we haven't done anything wrong.
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@Chesterlestreet
Hard to draw a distinction between fair voters and unfair voters.
What is the solution? Limit the number of voting members: participating managers + former participating managers ?
Hard to draw a distinction between fair voters and unfair voters.
What is the solution? Limit the number of voting members: participating managers + former participating managers ?
smiley - tuppet
bbrbb - aldostaine
enigma - chester
sjorinvictus - tigerjoga
@Tuppet @BBRBB @RedTiger @Enigma_87 @Chesterlestreet @Joga_Bonito
are we going to finish the draft or not? think everyone put some effort into it so it would be a shame if we just stopped in the last phase of the draft.
bbrbb - aldostaine
enigma - chester
sjorinvictus - tigerjoga
@Tuppet @BBRBB @RedTiger @Enigma_87 @Chesterlestreet @Joga_Bonito
are we going to finish the draft or not? think everyone put some effort into it so it would be a shame if we just stopped in the last phase of the draft.
This isn't about voters, mate. Having a poll system will necessarily mean that anyone can throw in a vote (even a sheer piss take) - and that's fair enough, as far as I'm concerned, part of the game, call it what you will. As suggested in the "next idea" thread there are a couple of ideas we could try out, just for the sake of experimenting, but - again - the reason why this particular draft broke down has nothing to do with the voting system as such.
Well, I'm out - as stated.
If anyone wants to take over my team, they're more than welcome to do so.
Me too. Maybe you can directly go to semifinals:
smiley - enigma
sjorinvictus - tigerjoga
smiley - enigma
sjorinvictus - tigerjoga
Sounds like a good idea.
By the way, to say it yet again, what happened yesterday had nothing whatsoever to do with your team or yourself - it was pure coincidence that you happened to be involved in that match, and you drafted a fine team: Just stressing this, as some of this nonsense will seem more random and bizarre than it actually is to someone who is relatively new round here.
Things have taken an unfortunate turn here. I hope this isn't the end. As someone who doesn't post much in these drafts, I vote quite often. Part scanning, part research. But point is, I always pop into these match ups and I learn quite a bit about footy when I'm interested. I don't vote if I have no clue about the players on show and I have no time to do any sort of research. Guys like @Edgar Allan Pillow are always encouraging some research and participation which I appreciate etc.
I know it's the Internet and we should have fun. I mean these match ups shouldn't be as competitive as they are, but I can understand why. Managers put in a ton of effort in researching and preparing their teams. So it shouldn't really be the thread to take the piss or try and push an agenda. If that is the case as I cannot comment on that.
Anyway, id like these drafts to continue. So I hope it gets sorted, even if it means you only allow managers to vote until things have calmed down a bit.
I know it's the Internet and we should have fun. I mean these match ups shouldn't be as competitive as they are, but I can understand why. Managers put in a ton of effort in researching and preparing their teams. So it shouldn't really be the thread to take the piss or try and push an agenda. If that is the case as I cannot comment on that.
Anyway, id like these drafts to continue. So I hope it gets sorted, even if it means you only allow managers to vote until things have calmed down a bit.
yeah I'm off as well I don't think the draft took much traction or has generated much interest which is a pity.
It was a very good idea but for plenty of reasons at the end just didn't took off.
I don't think voting has part in it as well, as it has always been like that and never it broke down like in this draft. I'd back some of the posters above - it's a good time to probably test something out before the next - whenever that is going to be.
I think this one had too much damage and with all the walkovers is just a big mess to try to sort out the semifinals finals etc. If someone wants to take over I'm more than happy to give over the control, even if it is just to try it out or something new.
It was a very good idea but for plenty of reasons at the end just didn't took off.
I don't think voting has part in it as well, as it has always been like that and never it broke down like in this draft. I'd back some of the posters above - it's a good time to probably test something out before the next - whenever that is going to be.
I think this one had too much damage and with all the walkovers is just a big mess to try to sort out the semifinals finals etc. If someone wants to take over I'm more than happy to give over the control, even if it is just to try it out or something new.
And from the draft ashes, Antohan is reborn...
(or so I hope)
(or so I hope)
Not sure if a hall pass is warranted, and TBH - I personally don't want to do this draft business anymore after yesterday/ today's events - though I'll go along with my manager's decision. If you win - you'll have it on your conscience because you'll always second guess the genuineness of certain votes, and whether you deserved to go through. If you lose, you'll be bitter because maybe, just maybe - an agenda was forced at your expense for a laugh or two. If we're going to persist with this particular limp-dick draft, we should maybe have a pure showcase of the players (sans votes), and discuss the merits of each team - without having a winner - because that's the real spirit behind 'em anyway. Competitiveness, or winning in itself is just a secondary issue.
After due reflection, I think everyone should continue whatever the outcome.
@BBRBB
@Chesterlestreet
@BBRBB
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either we all play or no one plays...as chester and bbrbb wont play, this draft is officially over.
Well...this was a sad way to end what could have been a great draft, but I think the writing was on the wall once Stobz was starting to be AWOL.
I think we should just take a break from these drafts, overall. Maybe a bit of time away from these should bring back some of the excitement towards these.
And @RedTiger, congrats for the newborn! Make him into a passionate football fan if not a Man. Utd. supporter.
I think we should just take a break from these drafts, overall. Maybe a bit of time away from these should bring back some of the excitement towards these.
And @RedTiger, congrats for the newborn! Make him into a passionate football fan if not a Man. Utd. supporter.
Do you now ?Well...this was a sad way to end what could have been a great draft, but I think the writing was on the wall once Stobz was starting to be AWOL.
I think we should just take a break from these drafts, overall. Maybe a bit of time away from these should bring back some of the excitement towards these.
And @RedTiger, congrats for the newborn! Make him into a passionate football fan if not a Man. Utd. supporter.
I personally think the writing was on the wall for the whole thing when you decided you were an authority of every era of football ever despite telling me no more than 13 months ago that you didn't know much about football pre-2000. I'm sure you've fully rounded out your knowledge in a little over a year though.
Come on stobzilla, you know as well as I do that the actual matches come down to a lot of blagging and hardly any any eye witness accounts. That's just the draft game bro.
On that note, a variation on the suggestion I made in the other thread:
For future drafts/match threads:
Shift the focus away from the poll. Make the latter less important. Showcase the players, discuss strengths and weaknesses, tactical dispositions, formations, etc.
Then do the poll as a finishing touch: Just let people vote, no comments from the managers, no further debating (or bickering) from anyone.
Less draft game, more football talk. Part of the problem (and something everyone who has been critical of the current format highlights) is that the managers tend to become overly competitive - more concerned with scoring points than showcasing their players. This is to an extent "fun" for the managers themselves and perhaps even some regulars (who like the drama and the meltdowns), but for readers who aren't directly involved, it's simply tedious and of little value.
With less focus on winning votes (in many cases a futile exercise), both sides of the argument can contribute more objectively to the discussion - without the constant need to downplay the other guy's players, and so forth.
Put it like this: Both managers (and the neutrals, of course) contribute to "play out" a fantasy match where the premise is: What would likely happen if these two XIs came up against each other.
And then, after the discussion has died down and the points on both sides have been made, you slap on a poll to send one of the teams on to the next round. The latter being left entirely to those who want to throw in a vote (preferably after having read the discussion, of course, but people are free to do whatever they please in that regard).
So you honestly think that I could not have gained any football knowledge since I asked to be an AM at Skizzo's sheep draft? Ever since I joined the Caf, I was tracking drafts wherever I was as a scanner, briefly reading over discussions and occasionally voting.
Since I got involved, I've learned tons through various sources and got way more involved in match discussions, so don't spout trash about me still knowing nothing.
I'd just crack on with the draft. The show must go on and all that. Plus we all look a bit lilly-livered just to wave the white flag at the first sign of choppy waves.
But then again I'm a stubborn cnut who'd persist to the bitter end regardless.
But then again I'm a stubborn cnut who'd persist to the bitter end regardless.
I would also prefer us to finish the draft as we should've
Let's finish this draft. feck the haters.
If you're serious about wrapping it up, you could do it like so:
Tuppet is through.
BBRBB is through (but needs a replacement).
Both Enigma and me are out: Just name a replacement who then picks either team and gets a walkover to the s-f.
Which leaves the last q-f. Play that as normal if Sjor is up for it - if not Tiger/Joga gets a walkover.
Unless Tuppet is out too, you only need two replacement managers.
I'd do it myself, but I really have no gas in the tank for this one - very much commend the initiative, though: It should be wrapped up, it seems like the proper thing to do.
If absolutely nobody turns up, I'll do it - but I really prefer not to, not least since I've made some plans now which aren't ideal.
Tuppet is through.
BBRBB is through (but needs a replacement).
Both Enigma and me are out: Just name a replacement who then picks either team and gets a walkover to the s-f.
Which leaves the last q-f. Play that as normal if Sjor is up for it - if not Tiger/Joga gets a walkover.
Unless Tuppet is out too, you only need two replacement managers.
I'd do it myself, but I really have no gas in the tank for this one - very much commend the initiative, though: It should be wrapped up, it seems like the proper thing to do.
If absolutely nobody turns up, I'll do it - but I really prefer not to, not least since I've made some plans now which aren't ideal.
id also prefer that we finish the draft, the haters can feck off
but i will only play if we all decide to play, lets finish the proper way or not finish at all so i would very much prefer if chester and co. would decide to play even if that means they would do a half arsed job. As the draft master quit we can easily use this few games to test new things(chester, think you had an idea iirc)....
but i will only play if we all decide to play, lets finish the proper way or not finish at all so i would very much prefer if chester and co. would decide to play even if that means they would do a half arsed job. As the draft master quit we can easily use this few games to test new things(chester, think you had an idea iirc)....
I have a few days before I'm out of the draft business, so I don't mind taking a final stab with someone's team if needed. Just let me know.
As for the votes, I know other forums do it on the basis of PM's. Might not be easy to manage, and could limit voting somewhat since people may not vote if they have to put extra effort in, but a Pm to whoever started the match, with a reasons why, would keep it somewhat honest.
As for the votes, I know other forums do it on the basis of PM's. Might not be easy to manage, and could limit voting somewhat since people may not vote if they have to put extra effort in, but a Pm to whoever started the match, with a reasons why, would keep it somewhat honest.
I am always in for the draft, sabotages and conspiracies are the spices of draft life.
If FIFA has taught us one thing, it's that it wouldn't be football without a tinge of controversy...
Its a great solution IMO, lets test the moderator thing, and Balu's limited tactical post idea.id also prefer that we finish the draft, the haters can feck off
but i will only play if we all decide to play, lets finish the proper way or not finish at all so i would very much prefer if chester and co. would decide to play even if that means they would do a half arsed job. As the draft master quit we can easily use this few games to test new things(chester, think you had an idea iirc)....
Perhaps the votes of the voters who made obvious wumming messages in the draft thread could be disregarded. Sounds extreme but has to be done if the draft needs to progress with any semblance of normality.
Muffled_Funk, Vidic in Moscow, EdWeatherall, rimaldo, Eboue, Waldner, Lastwolf, marukomu - Chat shit get banged
Muffled_Funk, Vidic in Moscow, EdWeatherall, rimaldo, Eboue, Waldner, Lastwolf, marukomu - Chat shit get banged
Sound like a good idea to me for the time being.