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Alleged Sex scandal involving Spanish players | No Evidence | Stop Guessing Names

Enigma_87

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If DDG only set up a meeting (and is proven of course) he should be off the hook I think.

In Spain prostitution is legal and if DDG did not take part in the act itself there are only 3 things he could be framed for:

1. He gained money from setting it up(pimping is illegal).
2. He threatened in some case the prostitutes.
3. He subsequently knew something bad happened and didn't inform the police.

Of course wild speculations of what his part is and what exactly happened.
 

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Didn't the other guy say De Gea is not going to give a conference, and Aduriz will speak instead, on behalf of teammate Muniain?
What could Aduriz possibly say about his teammate being accused of sexually assaulting someone? Bit weird for him to be pushed out there to field questions.
 

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Are we sure of that? Haven't followed Spain tbh, but from I read around here I thought that was under intense debate.

Casillas has been poor for Porto, in my opinion. Weird decision him still being number 1.
I'm sure Sid Lowe said De Gea would be starting on the football daily podcast.
 

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Oh FFS so there is no evidence against any of the players
 

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With how much Casillas deteriorated at Madrid it's hard to think of him as a safe option. Though I admit I have no idea how he's been doing since he left.
He's been poor in my opinion. Quite a few fans around here stick by him due to him being a huge personality. He's also marketed himself really well, connected very well with the fans and all that, his attitude has been top notch in every respect. We had a very poor season, which made his attitude stand out even more (it's easier to be magnanimous when everything goes well).

But footballing wise, definitely an insecure keeper in my opinion, and I don't think Porto gained anything by signing him.
 

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Don't know what your issues are with what I typed. I'm not saying what is alleged is "all good", but at least get all the facts straight before crucifying the screwball. A lot of damage occurs before we get the real story. See Duke Lacrosse Rape Case, Columbia Mattress Girl, Rolling Stone/Jackie Rape Case. All false accusations that ruined lives and got some folks expelled from school or unjustly censured.

And you'd have to be naive to not realize that some of what the rich & famous do is on the edge of legality or decorum. They just are rich enough to get away with it or smart enough to have someone who can fix things. Some of you cliffjumpers want to ditch DDG before you get the whole story (which is already garbled with the translations & various versions). I guess some of you would jettison the alleged 5 Man United players as well.
Agree with this. Let the facts come out first before jumping to conclusions about his guilt or innocence.

This seems like a case in which some key facts, for good or for bad, will eventually come out. Its not a he said, she said affair that just starts with a piece of sensational journalism, nor is some ill-prepared local police unit or university botching an investigation its not equipped to handle. This is a big investigation, conducted by a legitimate national policing authority that has a lot of experience investigating these kinds of crimes, and which probably has a lot of access not only to witnesses but also to electronic communication and stuff like that.
 

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you're saying that like it's a bad thing.

did you have your popcorn ready to eat or something?
No I'm just annoyed because they could have bloody waited and reported that in the bloody first place.
Now they have created such a media storm just before the EUROs
 

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He's been poor in my opinion. Quite a few fans around here stick by him due to him being a huge personality. He's also marketed himself really well, connected very well with the fans and all that, his attitude has been top notch in every respect. We had a very poor season, which made his attitude stand out even more (it's easier to be magnanimous when everything goes well).

But footballing wise, definitely an insecure keeper in my opinion, and I don't think Porto gained anything by signing him.
Not surprising I suppose. He always seemed like a decent, likeable bloke (no organizing rape parties) but it was unlikely he could bounce back after Madrid gave up on him.
 

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So the police found no evidence to back up the witnesses' testimony but still trust the testimony enough for it to be used as evidence against the porn producer?
 

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Don't know about De Gea, but that Munain seems like a seedy fecker. I remember an article he was caught on webcam in the background with Javi martinez and a few porn models few years back around the time of these tweets.
 

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Well that's a relief. Hopefully it will at least cause some problems between him and Edurne.
 

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Erm just a blatantly ignorant question, but is DDG's agent and the lawyer the same person ? I usually read how these agents basically come from a law background and are usually lawyers etc. Any truth to this ?
 

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Right now so many versions of events going around, will have to wait and see what the reality in terms of what he is actually being accused of. Reading one report saying he is facing a "criminal misdemeanor" charge in Spain. What exactly does that entail in general (since we don't know all the specifics of this exact case). Fines? Prison?
Misdemeanors are typically very low in terms of severity and sentence/punishment. If he set up the meeting with the prostitutes, I'm not sure he's violated Spanish law because solicitation doesn't appear to be illegal except he solicited a pimp and pimping is illegal. I also can't see how he would be liable for what happened at the encounter if he wasn't there. The post-encounter interactions in WhatsApp would depend on the nature of his attempts to keep her quiet.
 

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So presumably his lawyers are there to decide who's the best target for a bit of defamation litigation then... ;-)
 

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Well that's a relief. Hopefully it will at least cause some problems between him and Edurne.
I hope most posts of this type are in jest. I wouldn't like to wish private troubles on any of our players, no matter the motivation behind it.
 

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This Torbe lad is really wierd, he has child porn on his site.
 

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While I agree with the premise that we shouldn't judge an individuals character before we know the full facts of the story.

The overwhelming percentage of rape & sexual assault cases (I think its 80-90% range but i'd have to check) don't even get reported to the police, and of those that do, again another small percentage are convicted.
So I'm not sure what the purpose of listing a handful of cases is, in relation to the thousands of cases we don't even get to hear about due to the stigma of sexual assaults.
Oh I get the drift. It just seems the more publicized ones are the ones that don't have all the truth on their side, and we get uninformed public opinion forming lynch mobs emasculating left & right. TBH, it's a shame that a lot of these cases aren't prosecuted to the fullest extent, but in this case, I wonder about the intent of the PR.
 

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So the police found no evidence to back up the witnesses' testimony but still trust the testimony enough for it to be used as evidence against the porn producer?
The problem is that Torbe knew that she was underage and had digital material while the players are clearly identified as potential clients and there is no proof that they had an informations concerning the identity of the girls who were barely younger than they were.
 

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The mud will stick to the three of them even though there's not a single shred of evidence.

The media are a disgrace.
 

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So the police found no evidence to back up the witnesses' testimony but still trust the testimony enough for it to be used as evidence against the porn producer?
The porn produced is implicated in a lot more stuff than this. He's been on trial for nearly two months, I believe, this "section" involving the footballers was just a small share of his problems. There are probably a lot more witnesses and evidence (just speculating, but it's my perception from these frantic 2 hours).
 

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This Torbe lad is really wierd, he has child porn on his site.
WTF?!?! F'n sickening.

Relieved to know there is no evidence of De Gea being deeply involved with such a dodgy soul.