As you say, it comes with experience, which neither of them have as a central midfielder.
Anderson - is he the 'real deal'? | Retires age 31
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True.
Central midfield and up front are the two most difficult positions to play, and far more so than any of the other positions.
I can't think of any player that he reminds me of. More bits and pieces of players. Aggression of Roy Keane, passing of Gerrard or Scholes etc etc
Great company to be in. Lets just hope he fulfils this potential.
I'd even say up front on your own is the most difficult position (i'm not considering keepers)
Different requirements to playing in midfield, more demanding technically up front, less demanding tactically and mentally.
That's what I see as well which is very unusual in a player , you can normally see where a player will be playing
Anderson sometimes looks weak in areas, strong in others and on other days those aspects can be almost the reverse!
Interesting although many fans seem to think he's going to be brilliant or is brilliant many think he has a lot of improving to do.
Not convinced he has that in him myself - maybe another season of PL pace and he'll look a much stronger prospect
Rafeal however - he looks the bollocks imo
I agree with you but not sure about the "mentally" part but I'll stop with this,don't wanna hijack the thread
I'd tend to agree with Pogue's analysis of him. He is likely to turn out to be a fantastic player, but he's far from there yet. His passing is still pretty patchy, his shooting ability non-existent and he can rarely stay in a game for 90 minutes. He also has to improve on his decision making.
However most of those things will come with experience, and I expect him to improve rapidly if he keeps getting the amount of games that he is. He'll be a big player for us down the line, we just have to make sure he's given every chance to develop at his own pace.
However most of those things will come with experience, and I expect him to improve rapidly if he keeps getting the amount of games that he is. He'll be a big player for us down the line, we just have to make sure he's given every chance to develop at his own pace.
Basically, you are saying that Anderson is not consistent.
Fancy that...a 20-year player who is not consistent!
If you can't see that Anderson is a VERY promising player, you should take up different hobby.
Could it be that he might just fall short because he has these bits and not one or two really fantastic attributes that are the basis for a great future player?
When you look at a player of this age you can already see the one or two outstanding qualities they have which then may get added to.
I cant quite see that in Anderson yet
I thought Anderson made a very good start in the PL but hasn't progressed that much in the last year. I'm not convinced he's really a CM, he may be one of those talented players who's a bit difficult to place in a conventional line up and isn't good enough to make special provision for. For example, I think he'd be suited as the centre of the 3 in a 4231 but you're probably going to play a Rooney or a Tevez or a Giggs in there.
Giggs and Tevez won't be around for long.
No probs for him playing in a traditional four-man midfield, with e.g. Carrick as his partner.
I don't see Anderson having a problem in that aspect.
People. You cannot say he needs to improve his passing, because it is not possible.
You are either born with passing talent or not.
My general thoughts on Anderson is though, that he does not believe in his ability enough to actually take a game by the scruff of its neck. Hes incredibly strong, good pace, good at running with the ball and a good passer, not great.
He just seems to do the easy stuff, when he picks it up, which is usually very deep I just dont expect magic, the way I do with Scholes or even Carrick(at rare times).
The boy can make it here, but not as the sort of player I hoped for, when I thought we had signed Scholes replacement.
You are either born with passing talent or not.
My general thoughts on Anderson is though, that he does not believe in his ability enough to actually take a game by the scruff of its neck. Hes incredibly strong, good pace, good at running with the ball and a good passer, not great.
He just seems to do the easy stuff, when he picks it up, which is usually very deep I just dont expect magic, the way I do with Scholes or even Carrick(at rare times).
The boy can make it here, but not as the sort of player I hoped for, when I thought we had signed Scholes replacement.
Rubbish.
Good passing ability is all about practice, practice and more practice.
And furthermore, when and how to use your range of passing is all about experience.
When Scholes was Anderson's age, did you think Scholes would turn out to be the player he did?
At the top level mid fields those are expected
He has strength, so do many other central mids.
Quality players have a turn of pace at the higher levels but Anderson only imo shows glimpes of this.
imo his technical level is not top Brazillian - he sometimes seems very clumsy in possession
To mention him as a successer to Keane is some statement.
He's very promising imo but a long way to go.
He's looked like breaking through but personally I'm not convinced
Utter bollocks.
Players don't come into the first team fully-formed. Carrick wasn't as good a passer at West Ham in the early years. Scholes wasn't anything like as good a passer of the ball as he is now. Players can make massive improvements in most areas of their game, if they are willing to put in the hard work.
Scholesy has some unique (and utterly retarded) beliefs about the development of young footballers.
You wouldn't be the first to challenge them but I fear you're wasting your time.
I couldnt disagree more. Why is Scholes a better passer than Evra then if they both spend the same amound of time on the training field.
Very few midfielders have Anderson's turn of pace or strength.
His technical level is very good.
If you think he is very promising, then I find your initial post a very strange one.
Fair enough.
But you've asked the opinion of United fans - who will have watched him much more than you have - and the overwhelming response has been that he's gonna be a great player for us.
You're free to ignore these opinions, obviously, but it does beg the question about what, exactly, you hoped to achieve when you started this thread?
He has actually taken the piss out of Fabregas countless times, for both United and Porto
They don't focus on the same thing. Scholes is better because he has more natural ability when it comes to passing. That not to say though that passing cannot be practised and improved upon which is what Cnut i think is trying to say.
Because Scholes has practiced passing the ball more over the years than Evra, and has better chances to develop his passing in training and matches than Evra has had from young age.
Good passing is about awareness around you and that can be strengthened
Knowing where other players are and where they are going and learning about when to release a ball is something all top players work on and improve
The only aspects about passing that are 'gifted' is
1. Releasing a consistant killer ball under intense pressure when time to think has run out Bergkamp, Scholes etc
2. the 40 yard ball ala Beckham, Hoddle which has more to do with striking technique which to some extent you are born with
All other forms of passing are improveable
Agree with all of that.
And when (at least I) people say Anderson can improve his passing, it is not his passing technique that people sees as the problem, but his awareness and when and how to pass it. Which comes with experience.
You're looking for an argumentVery few midfielders have Anderson's turn of pace or strength.
His technical level is very good.
If you think he is very promising, then I find your initial post a very strange one.
There's a lot of talk on here about Anderson being a superstar and a 'great'
For me although potentially very good, he's a long way from that especially for £17mill.
I asked why exactly people thought he was that good or not, nothing strange in that
I must have missed those calling Anderson a superstar and a great. the general impression I have from other United fans is that they see him as a very promising, young player, who has the POTENTIAL to become a superstar and a great.You're looking for an argument
There's a lot of talk on here about Anderson being a superstar and a 'great'
For me although potentially very good, he's a long way from that especially for £17mill.
I asked why exactly people thought he was that good or not, nothing strange in that
The vast majority of United fans wouldn't even pick him for the first choice XI at the moment.
As for his price, we didn't pay £17m or whatever the price was for what Anderson is today, but what he will be in 2, 3, 4 years time. Like with Ronaldo, like with Rooney, like with Nani etc.
And you've got your response.You're looking for an argument
There's a lot of talk on here about Anderson being a superstar and a 'great'
For me although potentially very good, he's a long way from that especially for £17mill.
I asked why exactly people thought he was that good or not, nothing strange in that
If your mind is already made up about him, why did you start the thread?
fsakesFair enough.
But you've asked the opinion of United fans - who will have watched him much more than you have - and the overwhelming response has been that he's gonna be a great player for us.
You're free to ignore these opinions, obviously, but it does beg the question about what, exactly, you hoped to achieve when you started this thread?
Its a fking discussion - why is there an 'achievement' to be had?
Many of you think he's the dogs bollocks and as someone who has watched football all my life I don't see quite the same quality and therefore wondered what exactly he has in his game that demands such a high opinion
Turns out that many of you feel he can be very good but that he's lacking in some respects and the discussion is exploring some of these views
If you're done with your end of it and now want to have an argument then leave the thread and thats that
For the same reason he put it in the football forum, rather than the United forum, I expect. Because he had a certain opinion he wanted to hear, and he's more likely to get it here.
The thing is, he is already very good, and for someone who has watched football all his life, I find it very strange that you fail to see that.fsakes
Its a fking discussion - why is there an 'achievement' to be had?
Many of you think he's the dogs bollocks and as someone who has watched football all my life I don't see quite the same quality and therefore wondered what exactly he has in his game that demands such a high opinion
Turns out that many of you feel he can be very good but that he's lacking in some respects and the discussion is exploring some of these views
You don't play 30-40 games in central midfield for the double league and European champion at the age of 19 unless you are very good.
Spot on Cnut.
I will add to this as well, that I think a lot fo over reaction occured because he joined us in the summer, rarely played and looked poor when he did, and then was suddenly thrust into big matches at Anfield and the Emirates and looked totally at home in that company (arguably had the better of Febregas and Gerrard).
Since then he has flatlined somewhat, but considering that sensible people expected a season or two of cameos from him when he signed, he is probably ahead of schedule.
Not only that, but he is so young for a central midfielder. People claiming that he hasn't scored, or doesn't control games yet, as being a problem are totally missing the point. Fabregas, a near genius IMO, is also terribly inconsistent.
Anderson looks capable of becoming a better, more rounded central midfielder than both Fabregas and Gerrard IMO.
I've asked my questions about him, got some decent replies and discussion and I'll leave it at that
Out of interest, Jopub, if you were to pick 3 central midfielders from world football under the age of 23, who'd you pick?
What a retarded thread. He's 20 FFS