I mean Liverpool almost did it. Limited Spurs to almost zero decent chances and only lost to a very very unfortunate OG by Matip right at the death. Go back to the match thread for that game. Lots of people were talking about how well Liverpool handled Tottenham and how awful Tottenham were with 2 man advantage.
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Spurs was down to 9 men by 55mins
Curtis Jones and Jota vs Losing 2 CBs and Maddison
It will be like Liverpool getting red card for VVD and Robertson, Konate and Szobozlai Injured.
At a point it was Dier Hojberg and Emerson in defence.
Even more of a reason to not park them on the halfway line against Sterling, Jackson and Mudryk then
Tactical consistency is excellent if you ignore specific situations. I'm sure we can find many instances where managers changed their style based on a specific situation to get results.
You ask the same type of questions on the contrary: How often do they practice this style down two men? What professional footballer hasn't played in a low block?
Liverpool got the personnels to switch to back 5 that many teams would crave for. TAA, Konate, VVD, Matip, Robertson.
Also Tottenham already took off Son before the second sent off. He was not 100% fit to play the whole 90 minute for this game. Liverpool only had to defend less than 30 minutes whereas it's about 40 minutes with a makeshift defensive line.
https://talksport.com/football/1583141/tottenham-postecoglou-maddison-son-injuries-liverpool/
So beside the 2 sent off, yesterday game was even more freakish than already freakish Tottenham-Liverpool game.
What is it about parking the bus that gets people wet ffs, especially in England?
Having a 2 man delta when attacking is a huge fecking advantage. You're almost guaranteed to concede. No matter your style of defending.
Why are people still bothered at an approach that didn't change the odds much defensively, yet increased their odds of scoring significantly? What is it about "non-pragmatic" methods (I want to vanish that word from football lexicon so bad) that is so bothersome?
It's like when Leeds had the audacity to play football without parking the bus. "Who do they think they are", "naive cnuts", "they'll go back down quickly"... And they did, but what about the numerous teams that play route 1 football and go back down as fast as they came up? How come we don't hear anything about the teams that play to draw or lose narrowly, but have all the criticism for a team that plays expansively? "They'll hit you on the counter like that", "you'll get found out eventually"... It just goes on and on... mini rant so I'm all over the place but hopefully ye get the point
Having a 2 man delta when attacking is a huge fecking advantage. You're almost guaranteed to concede. No matter your style of defending.
Why are people still bothered at an approach that didn't change the odds much defensively, yet increased their odds of scoring significantly? What is it about "non-pragmatic" methods (I want to vanish that word from football lexicon so bad) that is so bothersome?
It's like when Leeds had the audacity to play football without parking the bus. "Who do they think they are", "naive cnuts", "they'll go back down quickly"... And they did, but what about the numerous teams that play route 1 football and go back down as fast as they came up? How come we don't hear anything about the teams that play to draw or lose narrowly, but have all the criticism for a team that plays expansively? "They'll hit you on the counter like that", "you'll get found out eventually"... It just goes on and on... mini rant so I'm all over the place but hopefully ye get the point
Yeah those are all very fair points.
Was that a home game for Celtic? Playing in Scotland is like those clubs that play in high altitude stadiums - they have an immediate home advantage against any visitors. It's just that instead of being high altitude, Glasgow has an heroin/air balance of around 70/30 and the locals have built up a tolerance.
They probably never practised a 9v11, but I am quite sure that 11v11 is not the only training match but that they also train situation specifics and forms like 5v5 on a part of the pitch to focus on specific kinds of situations, so they will be used to their automatisms even if less than 11 players are on the field. And of course everyone has played in a low block during his career, but have these players the understanding and automatisms in them to work this way?
Anyway we are talking about a freak situation, so everything we write here is highly speculative anyway so I gladly accept other opinions about it, but I think it's interesting to see why people here think how they do about it.
Fully agree with this little rant. "Pragmatism" in England often seems to be equal to "form a low block and just boot it" and that's a very sad way to look at football that people believe professional players that are paid millions (maybe a bit less for the really bad teams but still...) can only play football this way. I get what these people are saying, it just makes me sad how they lack ambition to see the beautiful game.
Spot on!
I'm genuinely curious if the suicidal approach was because he basically freerolled though. The potential upline if he got away with it would have been absolutely massive, on several levels.
Regardless of intention, Ange is really growing on me and I would be buzzing if I supported Spurs.
Honestly, I don’t think Celtic are a good example to use in this case.
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Why are people still looking for excuses for the stupidity of that high line? No other manager would get this. Rodgers is Celtic’s manager, another one who doesn’t like to adapt and shut up shop hence he’s also had Celtic beaten 7-0 in the CL, and in fact I think he has the worst CL manager of any one who’s managed more than 20 games in the competition. If Atletico win their game in hand they’re in 3rd place and 3 points off top spot in La Liga. They’ve scored 26 goals in their league this season after 11 games.
Chelsea have played the same number of games as Atletico, they are 10th, 12 points off top spot and have scored 17 goals, 4 of those in that last game. So nearly a quarter of their goals for the season came in that one game. You can find examples of sides shutting up shop after red cards and either grinding out a result or narrowly losing. You won’t find many examples of a manager a couple of men down and continuing to press with a high line while getting anything from it, and shock horror, that’s why you don’t really see top managers do it.
All downhill from here on in mate..
The honeymoon is over, winter is coming..
The honeymoon is over, winter is coming..
Watch them drop like a stone now
New manager bounce well and truly over now.
But but I thought he came in and made Spurs play right away unlike ETH. 
So many people were saying it's a new manager bounce/honeymoon period but some wouldn't listen.
So many people were saying it's a new manager bounce/honeymoon period but some wouldn't listen.to be fair he’s had a load of injuries to contend with, unlike ten hag.But but I thought he came in and made Spurs play right away unlike ETH.
Spurs are back mate.
purple patch ended?
Never saw the fuss over him. Good start but he’ll be out the door within 18 months. Not good enough for the top level
Overrated. There's a reason why he's 58 and the biggest clubs he's managed are Celtic and Melbourne Victory
I’ll give it until the end of the season before I make my decision.
A lot of hottakes already. A 6 min span was the difference between “a hard fought 0-1 away win” and “he’s just a fraud manager”.
A lot of hottakes already. A 6 min span was the difference between “a hard fought 0-1 away win” and “he’s just a fraud manager”.
Let's see how he bounces back from this with the injuries he has. Shows context as to what we've been facing since the beginning of the season.
Every team in the top 4 barring City would struggle with the injuries we've had.
Every team in the top 4 barring City would struggle with the injuries we've had.
Many of us here said they would have a blip.But but I thought he came in and made Spurs play right away unlike ETH.
So much hype over his first ten games. Unless they strengthen that first XI they will struggle next season and Ange probably knows that.
Their next four games are tricky. Buckle up mate!
Hope he gets better. The guy is pushing 60.
You were suppose to be the chosen one!
He's still a good manager but I'm happy that the crazy love-in will probably die down now
FFs
They started the season with a lucky draw at Brentford, got at least 2 points more than they should have against us and should've lost to Sheffield United. They also got lucky with a howling VAR decision against Liverpool and winning with a last minute own goal against 9 men.
"Ange Ball" was well overplayed. Spurs have looked bang average, but results created a media hype.
"Ange Ball" was well overplayed. Spurs have looked bang average, but results created a media hype.
Yeah as always, people tend to veer to absolute extremes. Very little room for middle ground. I guess it’s also a case of those using Ange to bash EtH getting a little “payback” of sorts. Long way to go in the season yet.
Yeah, I mean it's not like he was Australia manager for a bit or anything...
Also worth remembering they had the rub of the green with some of those decisions going their way during that run (Liverpool’s offside goal, should’ve conceded a pen against us IMO etc).
But Spurs have been many 5 minute spans from having results shit show this season as well. Spurs have been getting away with it for so, so long that it had to turn at some stage.
Not everyone can get top jobs by being Pep's waterboy.
That doesn't really mean much. Development is hardly linear even for coaches and it's not like you can make your way to the top from Australia as fast compared to starting off in Europe.
Let me guess. "Should have gone to a team in the Championship to prove himself"
‘It’s just the way we play mate’
Some nonsense in here, was always obvious that the depth wasn't there but the way he's had us playing up until now has been unbelievable.
I was disappointed today however as he was uncharacteristically cautious with the starting line-up, we already know that the players of the previous regime aren't up to it.
I was disappointed today however as he was uncharacteristically cautious with the starting line-up, we already know that the players of the previous regime aren't up to it.
If they get top four he’s done a massive job, but yeah undefeated or fraud etc
I don't get it many hoping on his demise. The trial of any good manager is the ability to turn things around so how Tottenham adapt with two poor results and some injuries will really determine the quality of his management.