Everything by the look on his face.
He has a chance now to become as important to the team as ever.
Please take it Mr MARTIAL
Anthony Martial #9
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He has a chance now to become as important to the team as ever.
Please take it Mr MARTIAL
Well he must have meant clinical. There are some stats shown on sky sport showing Martial as the most clinical player in the PL. Maybe that's what he meant.
No such thing as guaranteed goal. He converts at a high rate because he doesn't panic in the front of the goal and picks his spot early usually on the bottom right. I would also suggest to him that he becomes more selfish to be even better because he always looks for teammplays even if he got into a good position himself he would rather set up someone else. Being trusted as the 9 for th whole season is a step towards changing this.
It doesn't work like that. Taking bits and piece to draw a conclusion from is extremely faulty. If a player plays a position for 2, 3 games then switches to another position then it becomes hard for him to put consistent performances, so putting together those isolated moments he played centrally to draw a conclusion is flawed logic.
A player needs a consistent run of games to fully adapt and get a knack. You see strikers upon coming to new leagues or team go scoreless for several game upon their arrival then explode and carry a consistent streak. It's never as simple as counting the number of appearences he's made as a striker, context has to be taken into account.
Martial is only player across our attacking line that has that ruthless streak about him, with potential to be an ice-cold assassin. He also has the ability to create a chance from nothing and is, IMO, a true match-winner. He needs to be the focal-point of our attack this season. If he bangs away a few braces and maybe 1 or 2 hat tricks, I'd be over the moon and will be an amazing confidence booster for him.
There are questions about his work rate, but I never had an issue with it. Wayne Rooney's workrate was very good, but I think it affected his longevity at the top, (combined with his lifestyle) but there were years with Rooney in the team that I wished he would stay up top and just bang in the goals. I feel that Rooney's lack of positional discipline wrecked havoc on our on-pitch organisation and attacking shape for years and for half his time with United, he was played out of position, but in reality, it seemed like we never did know what his best position actually was. Rooney considered himself as a 10, but Fergie never played with a 10, so that whole period was just a confusing mess in terms of Rooney's position.
The problem with tracking back too much in a high-pressing team is that when we regain possession, you need your main attacker to be higher up the pitch. Too many times with Lukaku did he drop deep but his technical ability and first touch let him and the whole team/attack down. He didn't seem to prioritise being in and around the box, where he is most effective. I don't understand that part of how his game progressed in the time he was with us.
Ole said outgoing players will be replaced, but it doesn't mean the replacements will or should come in the form of signings. The best part of what Ole is doing is it seems that he is willing and ready to play our players where they play best. How novel! Pogba further back, playing with a #10, Martial as a #9, playing defenders as defenders instead of repurposing crocked wingers. And actually making a concerted effort to bed in the youth. I'm really excited about this season. As long as he doesn't play Young, Matic, Mata week-in, week-out, I'll be buzzing.
There are questions about his work rate, but I never had an issue with it. Wayne Rooney's workrate was very good, but I think it affected his longevity at the top, (combined with his lifestyle) but there were years with Rooney in the team that I wished he would stay up top and just bang in the goals. I feel that Rooney's lack of positional discipline wrecked havoc on our on-pitch organisation and attacking shape for years and for half his time with United, he was played out of position, but in reality, it seemed like we never did know what his best position actually was. Rooney considered himself as a 10, but Fergie never played with a 10, so that whole period was just a confusing mess in terms of Rooney's position.
The problem with tracking back too much in a high-pressing team is that when we regain possession, you need your main attacker to be higher up the pitch. Too many times with Lukaku did he drop deep but his technical ability and first touch let him and the whole team/attack down. He didn't seem to prioritise being in and around the box, where he is most effective. I don't understand that part of how his game progressed in the time he was with us.
Ole said outgoing players will be replaced, but it doesn't mean the replacements will or should come in the form of signings. The best part of what Ole is doing is it seems that he is willing and ready to play our players where they play best. How novel! Pogba further back, playing with a #10, Martial as a #9, playing defenders as defenders instead of repurposing crocked wingers. And actually making a concerted effort to bed in the youth. I'm really excited about this season. As long as he doesn't play Young, Matic, Mata week-in, week-out, I'll be buzzing.
And also this. There is no way Martial has actually played 55 games for us as a striker. The most he's played as a striker for us was his debut season and even then he was quickly shifted wide(because Depay started dissappointing).
In subsequent seasons we had Mourinho who played Zlatan then Lukaku as his central players. There is no way Martial accumulated 55 games centrally while those 2 were playing with usespecially under Mourinho.
I can count on 1 hand the number of times Martial has actually played as a striker for us during his time especially since Mourinho arrived.
Kicked off about losing number 9, playing out wide, Mourinho, angled for a move away, generally played like he’s been on strike.
Not only that, the "bigger" player had done nothing for Man Utd while the guy who had the number had just delivered a very good first season and was instrumental in winning the FA Cup after so may years of Utd failure in the competition. It was a huge symbol of putting the individual above all else, and anointing the new guy as some sort of king who should take whatever he wanted. I bet it didn't sit well with the rest of the players regardless of how Martial felt about it.
You're one of those body language experts on the Caf?
I think they were thinking purely of the shirt sales more than anything, but completely agreed. It was a fecking stupid decision motivated by money and commercial gain, and completely disregarded the feelings of our players - yet again suggesting the decision makers at the club are completely out of touch when it comes to the football side of things.
Yeah... It really has been one shitshow after another. Martial should never have lost the number 9. Zlatan was a blow-in for 1 season. Almost more akin to a loan signing journeyman and Lukaku should have had to earn it too. Having Sanchez come in and take the number 7, on those wages was the straw that broke the camel's back.
People are asking you to give them proof that he did what you mentioned. Just be aware typing it over and over doesn't constitute as proof. Where did you see him moan about playing wide and all the rest of things written in your post?
Martial hasn't played 55 games as a striker. Many of these will be sub appearances for starters.
I doubt he's actually played 30 full 90 minutes as a striker. Last season he played 1600 or so minutes and scored 10 league goals. That's 18 full matches. He agreed a goal slightly better than 1 in 2... Mostly as a winger.
Over the season that's 21 goals, though you would expect his return to improve playing as a striker mostly, rather than a winger.
I've said in the bold predictions thread Martial will win golden boot with 23 goals. It's an outside bet, sure, but his numbers stack up.
I doubt he's actually played 30 full 90 minutes as a striker. Last season he played 1600 or so minutes and scored 10 league goals. That's 18 full matches. He agreed a goal slightly better than 1 in 2... Mostly as a winger.
Over the season that's 21 goals, though you would expect his return to improve playing as a striker mostly, rather than a winger.
I've said in the bold predictions thread Martial will win golden boot with 23 goals. It's an outside bet, sure, but his numbers stack up.
The numbers from 15-16 are for Martial, not for us. They include 7 games for Monaco and all 7 could have been as a striker. So think of it as 48 games for us.
Any time we've played with 2 up front, in a diamond, or 3-5-2, the 2 up front are both regarded as strikers. I agree he hasn't played 48 games as a central striker in a front 3. I've no reason to doubt he hasn't played 48 games as a "striker" in all competitions since joining us. Your doubt doesn't make me doubt.
Was just thinking this.Better than Kane and Aguero for sure.
According to transfermarkt he has played 44 times as a striker for us, scoring 10 and assisting 7. However, in those 44 matches he didn't play the full game. His minutes as a striker for us was 2648, which divided by 90 is 29,42. So he has 17 goals/assists in almost 30 full games up top. Not the best, but as mentioned on here he hasn't gotten much consistent game time up here apart from his first season when he was young and raw.
When did he moan about any of these things? I’m genuinely curious because I don’t remember him ever speaking out of term. You’ve previously admitted that you dislike the guy and to be honest this just seems like another excuse to have a dig. It’s a bit unhealthy.
He doesn’t smile, that automatically makes him a disruptive presence and unprofessional. And these are the same guys that will be talking about Martial FC, not realising how irrational their own biases make them look.
At first I was confused how you got different numbers from the same source I used, then remembered, the other 4 games were central but as SS/AM.
2016-present
55 games playing central, 48 games playing central for us, 44 of those as striker, 4 as SS/AM.
22 goals playing central, 19 goals playing central for us, 17 of those as striker, 2 as SS/AM.
Goals per minute, goals+assists per minute, chances created per minute etc are all better indicators, but I don't always use on here because so many have a phobia of stats.
Yeah I just went with the striker position and went with minutes more than actually games played.
I like stats, but as you say they are more indicators than anything else. You can have 50 chances created and only 4 assists, completely depends on who you create those chances for. I think he's better than when he came here, and also think him and Rashford will be used on LW and swap positions regularly. A more fluid front 3 would make a lot of sense this season.
If he gets a full run as a centre forward in Man United's current squad in a 4231, in 38 games I would expect him to score about 16 goals. That's based on a fluid forward line where he is consistently the focal point but Rashford also finds himself coming central on the ends of things a fair bit.
I disliked his attitude under Mourinho but I don't have a problem with him in general, as long as he stops having his agent spout off in the press and he acts like he wants to be here. All I ask for is 100% commitment to the cause.
Ole: Anthony is, by nature, more of a no.9 than a winger.
Could be a huge season for him, with Rashford playing LW, i feel its a good compination, especially as Rashford like a pop from range, leaves Martial open for tap ins, which brings me onto my next point.
Did anyone else notice the improvements in Martial's movement since playing as a 9 in pre-season. From previous experience i know the range of movement you need as a striker differs compared to being on the wing, with a limited amount of space to work.
With his close control and quick turn and change of pace, playing more centrally on the pitch will suit him, and he very easily has the skill set to take on the last man, unlike a certain Stormzy wanna be! We are in for a refreshing change in our attack this season lads, just please, give it time to mature.
Did anyone else notice the improvements in Martial's movement since playing as a 9 in pre-season. From previous experience i know the range of movement you need as a striker differs compared to being on the wing, with a limited amount of space to work.
With his close control and quick turn and change of pace, playing more centrally on the pitch will suit him, and he very easily has the skill set to take on the last man, unlike a certain Stormzy wanna be! We are in for a refreshing change in our attack this season lads, just please, give it time to mature.
Watching Jose on Sky in the studio...
"I know that Martial would rather play as the number nine - sometimes for the right reasons but sometimes because of the wrong reasons"
Clearly Jose didn't have a good relationship with him, bit given how little he works when he's played wide, a lack of professionalism / wanting to be the star of the show sounds believable.
"I know that Martial would rather play as the number nine - sometimes for the right reasons but sometimes because of the wrong reasons"
Clearly Jose didn't have a good relationship with him, bit given how little he works when he's played wide, a lack of professionalism / wanting to be the star of the show sounds believable.
Some players just aren’t natural grinders so to speak, if he’s given the role he wants he’s more likely to press in his zone and be a lot more effective than asking him to sacrifice his joy for football.
Maybe that's the role he wants but not the best suited to him.
Did well. Got in positions.
Problem is the teams ability to keep possession. Can't evaluate his movement before we actually are able to keep the ball for more than 10 seconds.
Problem is the teams ability to keep possession. Can't evaluate his movement before we actually are able to keep the ball for more than 10 seconds.
Been involved a lot. A good thing but not really clicked yet with his shooting and dribbling.
Our only decent attacker. Led the line well.
It'll take a while to have a good understanding between him and Rashford as they've been competing for the same position for a few years now. Hopefully, they'll get there because otherwise the our attack will be in big trouble.
Work rate is up massively. Impressed.
Almost cost us a goal with that misplaces pass to Pogba. Been OK at best. I expect much more.
If Rashford stops thinking he's so much better than he is ..... it's like he's in competition with Pogba for tricks and flicks. Get a grip
His passing has been woeful. Should we give him the 10 or 8?
Done well but I think he needs to stay further forward and try to run in behind a bit more.
Yes, not very consistent passing but he has been intrumental with his passing in two of the 4 goals.
His work ethic is completely different. Fire in his belly.
Nice wee bit of movement getting inside of the full back for the goal.
hyperbole much?