If he has done these things, turf him out. Cancel his contract.
Antony under investigation by Brazilian authorities for domestic abuse | Back in the squad
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After the Greenwood fiasco club have no choice but stick to same moral standards.
When all the time the standard should be unless charged or legally punished club won't do anything else.
When all the time the standard should be unless charged or legally punished club won't do anything else.
Hmm, I don't think that is whataboutery? I'm commenting on the fact that she was urging people to vote for Boris Johnson, which is weird considering she didn't want people to vote for Corbyn because of his 'racism'?
Ha! Enjoy. Put on some nice music. Watch a film. Don’t waste any more time splitting hairs with online pedants like me!
Apologies are in order, NicolaSacco.
I read your post about you needing a lie down and then read @Pogue Mahone's post, and posted as I only wanted to elaborate on why others were piling on and to tell you to take it easy. However, I don't think anyone called you racist or anything. But I apologize for "trusting but not verifying".
God damn it, I had decided not to engage with anyone on the Internet and now look what I did. I will take my own advice and stop posting in this thread.
True enough. It's a bit different nowadays with Twitter though. Celebs will be acutely aware of the platform they have and gleefully use it to manipulate discourse one way or another. Pre social media it'd be embarrassing for a celebrity to be known as a rent-a-quote on topics that are of absolutely no relevance to their status and/or position. Now they have a direct feed to the masses and are actually listened to and talked about, beyond readers of the rags/celeb mags.
Yes, it's definitely more immediate and prone to whimsy as a result of tech alright.
Big mistake that, nothing good ever comes of it
I agree, this line of inquiry should pretty much clear things up either way given the claims of corroborative evidence presented. If there was indeed any physical assault that required specific attention from doctors with records, and the incident has supporting corroborating evidence in terms of records, photos, lack of alibis, and the couple's communication history, it would be difficult to argue against Antony's culpability. I hope we find out the truth.
Correct but I’m not sure how you can accurately assess that , it’s basically the job of a social worker and we all know how that can go.
You are trying to work out the top 1% of the top 1% of the top 1%.
I’ve only had a very diluted view of what that can be like but far far removed from the truly elite players.
They live in an entirely different world from the rest of us.
Ha, ha, netflix was my first call, that's literally what i just did!
All good. Just going to have a 14 hour power nap and i'll be right as rain! Cheers guys
No the issue is that she is using her platform to single out people who have NOT been proven guilty. Sorry if he’s found guilty by all means she along with everyone else has a right to vilify him but otherwise it’s abhorrent. If he’s innocent then she’s used her platform to start a witch hunt, excuse me for thinking that the rule of law and the right to a day in court was a given in the UK. For someone like her of all people to take the moral high ground on anything is laughable. She allegedly left her husband for her dance partner. She can give me a break with her virtue signalling.
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Antony case shows Manchester United have not learned any lessons
Barney Ronay
Over the weekend United’s media relations arm was busy with other matters, making it known, publicly and in no uncertain terms, that recent criticism of its middle management had upset the hierarchy; that the club feels such criticism is undeserved, that things are turning around now, that it is a tightly run ship these days. A fair point, perhaps. But the timing has turned out to be deeply unfortunate. Since then a 3-1 defeat at Arsenal has been followed by a disastrous act of public laundry‑wringing by Jadon Sancho. And now we have this.
The allegations against Antony have been lurking in plain sight for three months now. On Monday afternoon they became unignorable – no matter how hard the club might try – with the publication of further deeply depressing claims in Brazil.
Antony case shows Manchester United have not learned any lessons
Barney Ronay
Over the weekend United’s media relations arm was busy with other matters, making it known, publicly and in no uncertain terms, that recent criticism of its middle management had upset the hierarchy; that the club feels such criticism is undeserved, that things are turning around now, that it is a tightly run ship these days. A fair point, perhaps. But the timing has turned out to be deeply unfortunate. Since then a 3-1 defeat at Arsenal has been followed by a disastrous act of public laundry‑wringing by Jadon Sancho. And now we have this.
The allegations against Antony have been lurking in plain sight for three months now. On Monday afternoon they became unignorable – no matter how hard the club might try – with the publication of further deeply depressing claims in Brazil.
That's a bit different as he was technically arrested and charged today so the Dodgers had to react by putting him on adminstrative leave. I imagine it being his second offence twisted their arm. He's also an impending free agent so I'm sure they're happy he won't be their problem for much longer.
It's true though that MLB has strict rules about domestic abuse charges owing to historical instances and certainly takes them seriously. If anybody wants to wade through, they're available to read online:
https://content.mlb.com/documents/2...Player_Joint_DV_SA_CA_Policy_English_2018.pdf
Bauer is a slight different story and one I don't hugely want to get into but I don't think he was ever found guilty of those allegations. His already poor relationship with MLB is what caused the reaction he got when it happened and lack of sympathy thereafter (i.e administrative leave from the Dodgers, and basically becoming persona non grata in the bigs).
It's also often the case that, after suspension, players will simply come back and continue where they left off. Marcell Ozuna (of the Braves) as a recent example. I'm not sure fans here would welcome the same response from clubs in the Premier League but maybe I'm wrong.
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Bit confused sorry, but has he been charged officially?
If not, why would United drop him? Otherwise a lot of people can make accusations against people and clubs will have set a precedent to drop players each time till it gets proven wrong. If/once he gets charged he should 100% be suspended or whatever by the club, but till then I don't see why to be honest
Yes, complaining about unfair treatment from the press while addressing that subject is perfectly reasonable and not at all going to come across as whiny, self indulgent and misguided. Silence and accusations of bias is exactly how you will get the press on your side.
Exactly this. Why is it so hard for people to understand? As soon as he’s charged he gets suspended.
Haunt us how? You didn't actually want us to keep playing Greenwood after the allegations were actually made did you?
The club is more important than the players, and it shouldn't be dragged into this mess.
Short term and in footballing terms we're taking losses, longer term I'm reasonably confident the club as an institution will benefit from being forced to adopt relevant policies and be more mindful of those issues.
Anything for publicity, she’ll be forgotten once she leaves Countdown.
“Should Antony be banned from playing football because there is an allegation against him that will now be tested by the Crown Prosecution Service? Not on the face of it. The presumption of innocence exists for good reason. Is this a non-negotiable principle for all employees? Should it make any difference whether an individual is employed by entities that still claim at heart to be community sports clubs? Teachers and lawyers, among many others, are held to higher standards of behaviour than simply not being convicted of a crime.
Footballers should be held to a higher standard of innocent until proven guilty?
What shameful behaviour can United‘s staff get up to in order to shame the Glazers into selling?
I have a few ideas but I really shouldn’t publish them on the web, oh no sir.
I have a few ideas but I really shouldn’t publish them on the web, oh no sir.
Looks like United pulled a Sancho
Maybe they use the same PR firm
Should be allowed to play until proven guilty.
Because, I guess, a lot of people (particularly men) just want to enjoy their football, and not worry about the disgusting things the people they cheer on may have allegedly done to others (particularly women). Out of sight, out of mind.
It's gross.
Not until charged but until the final verdict by a judge in court?
If he gets charged he definitely should be suspended.
Well said.
Or maybe because she is trying somebody in the public arena with minimal information,
none of us know the truth in this case is Antony guilty? if so string him up, is the ex making it up either out of spite or trying to get money? bottom line the place for this should be in a court not the tabloids,
If Riley wants to campaign against domestic violence she 100% has my backing and support, but right now all she is doing is piling into a situation where she is making assumptions and condemning somebody based on a snapshot of info that she has been given by the media.... that is disgusting, not saying Antony is innocent, if he is found guilty I wouldn't spit on him if he was on fire... but if he is innocent, then how is he being impacted, mentally, financially and his image.... even if exonerated he will never be free of the stain and Riley jumping in for clickbait will not be issuing an apology or facing any consequences for her soapbox tirade.
I absolutely hate people being tried in the media it is beyond disgusting, it is irresponsible, opportunistic and cowardly, problem is now we have twitter every idiot on the planet can spout their nonsense and get an audience
If this reaches court, I'd expect the player to be given time to take care of his defense.
Absolutely. I would hope these can be used as learning experiences to institute better policies and better vetting of players.
Sadly, I suspect this won't be the case.
It's an allegation, isn't it? How about we refrain from judgement either way before getting our knickers in a twist? Due process means absolutely zip in the age of social media. Now that's depressing.
My opinion on criminal cases against players should be as follows:
1. the accused is allowed to be a member of the team until he is formally charged.
2. Once formally charged the players is suspended without pay until the legal matter plays itself out.
3. We respect the courts decision. If he is found guilty he is automatically terminated (this needs to be put in player contracts if it isn’t already). If he is found not guilty or the charges are dropped he is free to rejoin the team.
we place a high importance on the judicial system and they should be the ones who dictate what we do as a club. Not your feelings, opinions or twitter.
1. the accused is allowed to be a member of the team until he is formally charged.
2. Once formally charged the players is suspended without pay until the legal matter plays itself out.
3. We respect the courts decision. If he is found guilty he is automatically terminated (this needs to be put in player contracts if it isn’t already). If he is found not guilty or the charges are dropped he is free to rejoin the team.
we place a high importance on the judicial system and they should be the ones who dictate what we do as a club. Not your feelings, opinions or twitter.
I think if he gets arrested and charged then he should get suspended. Then the trial should decide what happens after.
The question I have relative to what you have mentioned is why on earth arent we already vetting players and/or have better policies in place. Im assuming of course we dont which isnt the greatest approach I know.
The thing is that issues such as domestic abuse have been known about for a very long time and social media has been with us for a long time now as well. There is no place to hide anymore so I would hope that our players are attending internal or even external courses relating to on field and off field behaviours. Because we are a massively well known club and in the public eye every day and night we really should have been on the front foot with respect to social responsibilities for decades now. Maybe we already are doing these things but the current indicators make it look like we havent been or arent.
Just what vetting do you think can be undertaken? in order to get a work permit the club would be aware of any criminal proceedings or convictions, and if you think they don't do a background check beyond this I don't know what to say...
So what do a psychiatric profile and reject any player that might potentially have an increased risk of any criminal behaviour.... why not go full minority report?
You wanted Greenwood back playing for us too so no surprise there