Club doctors have a very specific job, they don't do families, at least not at big clubs like this. Maybe if the player was hurt in such a way that there were questions about his fitness to play football they might consider sending the club doctor, but not for this. For family the club would send for a specialist or private doctor. It would be highly unusual to send a club doctor to deal with an injury.Im not sure why you think someone getting injured and a player calling the club doctor would not be normal? You have to realise that players these days do nothing for themselves and the clubs have access to the best medical teams. Especially when the player has recently moved from abroad.
Club doctor should report it if they feel is suspicious the same way if you call an ambulance to your house they would treat you but report anything they deem suspicious.
Saying that I am not aware of the details of the incident to determine if it was suspicious or not.
The only cover up would be from the police if they were told, or that doctor if he ignored signs, in which case his medical license will be stripped. Literally everything else is nonsense in that scenario and I just find any suggestion of a cover up as complete horseshit with 0 chance of being true and honestly severely hurting her side. It's easily disproven and a very dangerous accusation.This
Wow! Just fecking Wow!it’s opinions like hers that make headlines and make Unitedtake actions like they did with Greenwood.
She needs to keep her opinions to herself
Isn’t that consistent with what he’s arguing? The club doctor didn’t agree to see her as a patient so the club organised a private doctor to see her instead. Who won’t have told the club any details about her injuries. As that would breach patient confidentiality.They aren’t. The club are quite key to it. Her lawyers (according to the media…) are stating that after Antony headbutted her the club liaison officer visited her at the hotel and stopped her going to hospital and called a club doctor in order to cover the DV up. The club have categorically denied a club doctor treated her or that there was any cover-up or knowledge of DV - however they have admitted a private doctor was arranged to visit her by the club liaison officer.
No. Her lawyers are stating the club liaison officer who works for the club knew she’d been assaulted and covered it up. Ergo Manchester United knew she’d been assaulted.Isn’t that consistent with what he’s arguing? The club doctor didn’t agree to see her as a patient so the club organised a private doctor to see her instead. Who won’t have told the club any details.
Obviously if the club doctors did see her that’s a different story. Seems very far fetched though. I’m sure they’re well aware their responsibility is to treat the players and players only. Mind you, I’d say there’s a good chance she didn’t realise the private doctor who turned up wasn’t actually employed by the club. Hence the misunderstanding. I am speculating though.
The club has categorically denied thisNo. Her lawyers are stating the club liaison officer who works for the club knew she’d been assaulted and covered it up. Ergo Manchester United knew she’d been assaulted.
Course her lawyers would say that. $$$ You'll have to forgive my incredulity when listening to what layers say (i being one them).No. Her lawyers are stating the club liaison officer who works for the club knew she’d been assaulted and covered it up. Ergo Manchester United knew she’d been assaulted.
Yes the club confirmed that someone from the club got them a private doctor, that is standard practice in sports. This private doctor isn't employed by the club. And so our responsibility ends. The doctor wouldn't tell the club anything. They aren't even allowed to if they saw anything. It's police or nothing. And the doctor has their own medical license to look after. That wouldn't be fecked with.They aren’t. The club are quite key to it. Her lawyers (according to the media…) are stating that after Antony headbutted her the club liaison officer visited her at the hotel and stopped her going to hospital and called a club doctor in order to cover the DV up. The club have categorically denied a club doctor treated her or that there was any cover-up or knowledge of DV - however they have admitted a private doctor was arranged to visit her by the club liaison officer.
When will we get one day of normality as United fans? When?So the club has confirmed that they arranged for a private doctor and this is normal practice for players and their families. Guess all it takes is for this private doctor to state he informed the club and United are kind of in trouble.
I suppose not.The messages aren't proven to be his are they?
If there is a cover up it's on the player liason and the private doctor - not the club, clearly. Now if there was any truth to that, you'd think the player liason in question would have been fired when the club was made aware of the allegations months ago.The only cover up would be from the police if they were told, or that doctor if he ignored signs, in which case his medical license will be stripped. Literally everything else is nonsense in that scenario and I just find any suggestion of a cover up as complete horseshit with 0 chance of being true and honestly severely hurting her side. It's easily disproven and a very dangerous accusation.
If it did happen like that, then that seems the most likely explanation.Isn’t that consistent with what he’s arguing? The club doctor didn’t agree to see her as a patient so the club organised a private doctor to see her instead. Who won’t have told the club any details about her injuries. As that would breach patient confidentiality.
Obviously if the club doctors did see her that’s a different story. Seems very far fetched though. I’m sure they’re well aware their responsibility is to treat the players and players only. Mind you, I’d say there’s a good chance she didn’t realise the private doctor who turned up wasn’t actually employed by the club. Hence the misunderstanding. I am speculating though.
Course we will. This is Manchester United! - Gary Neville 2023The club will manage to feck this up.
AbsolutelyCourse we will. We're Manchester United! - Gary Neville 2023
Ok, so it’s the club liaison officer in the dock, not the medical team? So the risk to the club is what explanation was given to the liason officer for her needing medical care. Which will, I guess, depend on who they talked to. I guess it’s possible that the liason officer actually had a look at the injuries? But that seems completely mad, when you consider the nature of them.No. Her lawyers are stating the club liaison officer who works for the club knew she’d been assaulted and covered it up. Ergo Manchester United knew she’d been assaulted.
What would you like people to say instead?Ah yes. Another male accused of DV and most of this thread goes all “innocent until proven guilty” and “the club isn’t the morality police”.
All these pesky women making things up about footballers with no actual evidence….
Honestly a lot of attitudes in here are why the conviction rates for this stuff are so low. It’s disgusting. YOU are the problem.
I might be wrong but from what I've been reading, the club liason officer arranged the private doctor for his girlfriend. The club has denied any cover up but admitted to arranging for the private doctor.Ok, so it’s the club liaison officer in the dock, not the medical team? So the risk to the club is what explanation was given to the liason officer for her needing medical care. Which will, I guess, depend on who they talked to. I guess it’s possible that the liason officer actually had a look at the injuries? But that seems completely mad, when you consider the nature of them.
I'm no expert but if it is a private doctor (or even a club one), I'm not sure they would be allowed under general ethics or regulations for health professionals :So the club has confirmed that they arranged for a private doctor and this is normal practice for players and their families. Guess all it takes is for this private doctor to state he informed the club and United are kind of in trouble.
Not really talking about the messages, more the pictures/doctors visits/ etc.That's not an insignificant difference. The messages prove he's a psychologically abusive POS, but they don't prove assault.
Must have missed it, can you show me?Yes she has.
No. Her lawyers are stating the club liaison officer who works for the club knew she’d been assaulted and covered it up. Ergo Manchester United knew she’d been assaulted.
The club liaison officer wouldn't even look at any injuries though, Antony would just probably tell them his girl got a cut that needs stitching and the officer would just call a doctor to go look. It's nonsense to suggest this random liaison guy would be looking at injuries or giving his opinion on a medical question when he's just calling a doctor to do it. He's not qualified, doesn't know anything about it, and her own story doesn't say that she told them she was attacked by Antony.Ok, so it’s the club liaison officer in the dock, not the medical team? So the risk to the club is what explanation was given to the liason officer for her needing medical care. Which will, I guess, depend on who they talked to. I guess it’s possible that the liason officer actually had a look at the injuries? But that seems completely mad, when you consider the nature of them.
And then there are people like you who would sentence a man to prison over an accusation, without having evidence provided to you.Ah yes. Another male accused of DV and most of this thread goes all “innocent until proven guilty” and “the club isn’t the morality police”.
All these pesky women making things up about footballers with no actual evidence….
Honestly a lot of attitudes in here are why the conviction rates for this stuff are so low. It’s disgusting. YOU are the problem.
Absolutely they have. But I think the significance of the allegation and the club saying it is bollocks doesn’t seem to be registering on here. Her lawyers are saying the liaison officer visited at the hotel, knew she’d been assaulted by Antony, stopped her from going to hospital and called a club doctor. The club are saying the liaison officer had no idea she’d been assaulted, called a private doctor and are categorically denying any cover up. It completely contradicts what her lawyers are saying.The club has categorically denied this
Why you so astounded?Wow! Just fecking Wow!
Google will.Must have missed it, can you show me?
That's not entirely implausible but there is a long way to prove it actually was the case. That's a long chain of people that may or may not have known, may have or may have not reported official or unofficial concerns up, etc...No. Her lawyers are stating the club liaison officer who works for the club knew she’d been assaulted and covered it up. Ergo Manchester United knew she’d been assaulted.
I feel safe in the knowledge that there is very little chance the club could cover it up. This is a club that couldn’t keep a comms strategy secret for 7 days…That's not entirely implausible but there is a long way to prove it actually was the case. That's a long chain of people that may or may not have known, may have or may have not reported official or unofficial concerns up, etc...
If you can’t work it out, then there’s not much else to sayWhy you so astounded?
Hotel CCTV could get the club into deep shit. Or exonerate them.Absolutely they have. But I think the significance of the allegation and the club saying it is bollocks doesn’t seem to be registering on here. Her lawyers are saying the liaison officer visited at the hotel, knew she’d been assaulted by Antony, stopped her from going to hospital and called a club doctor. The club are saying the liaison officer had no idea she’d been assaulted, called a private doctor and are categorically denying any cover up. It completely contradicts what her lawyers are saying.
I think it's wildly clutching at straws from the lawyers or from that media story which is sayin what they think. It's a loose accusation from them, and a lazy one. They think that Antony called the club official to get a doctor for her rather than bring her to the hospital. It's literally common practice for athletes to do this. So they are just being vultures and trying to attack images with this statement. The club instantly strongly rejecting it is conclusive enough for me. The official would have been told "my girl needs a doctor for a cut". That's about it for his role in this. He wouldn't have been told that Antony attacked her, and he wouldn't have examined anything. It's up to the doctor to then make the decision on if he sees signs of DV. If she told the official she had been assaulted, she would have told the doctor as well where it'd be his responsibility to tell the police. Hence she didn't tell the official she was assaulted.Absolutely they have. But I think the significance of the allegation and the club saying it is bollocks doesn’t seem to be registering on here. Her lawyers are saying the liaison officer visited at the hotel, knew she’d been assaulted by Antony, stopped her from going to hospital and called a club doctor. The club are saying the liaison officer had no idea she’d been assaulted, called a private doctor and are categorically denying any cover up. It completely contradicts what her lawyers are saying.
Yes even if a club doctor there is a duty to report it but I guess, sadly, some might ask the club what to do. The fact it’s a private doctor makes it much more likely if there was suspicion of domestic abuse it would have been reported.I’d imagine if the doctor felt an assault had occurred they’d also have informed the police not just the club. The fact her lawyers are accusing the club and the doctor (thinking they were working for the club) of covering it up would lead me to assume the doctor isn’t stating that they felt an assault had taken place. This is why shit like this shouldn’t be drip fed through the media - serious accusations are flying and we’re all acting like Colombo based on aggregator social media sites looking for hits.
I mean there's a very real chance that the official visited them and got a doctor over there after. But if she told the official it had been abuse (this person isn't trained to spot signs), then she would have told the independent doctor as well who would be obligated to tell the police, right?Hotel CCTV could get the club into deep shit. Or exonerate them.
Google it, then. You won't find it.Google will.
Her lawyers want access to the CCTV footage. Nobody has denied the liaison officer was at the hotel though.Hotel CCTV could get the club into deep shit. Or exonerate them.
I never said anything about prison.And then there are people like you who would sentence a man to prison over an accusation, without having evidence provided to you.
A woman in an unhealthy relationship that wants a way out, but simultaneously wants his money, hmm.. it isn't entirely unlikely and it has happened before. Let's see what happens before deciding he is guilty. I bet you also believed Amber Heard right away.
Ah I see your point but it's not entirely comparable. The strategy was a company wide effort -at least upper management-, they had meetings, drafted documents, consulted with the workforce at large, etc...I feel safe in the knowledge that there is very little chance the club could cover it up. This is a club that couldn’t keep a comms strategy secret for 7 days…
The medical ethics here is actually quite complicated. If the patient is a child then yes, absolutely. If the patient is an adult then you need consent to share your findings with anyone, even the police. Although there are exceptions, such as when there is significant risk of harm to the public in general. That’s my understanding anyway. I’m not an expert. Most doctors would discuss with their medical defence union (or supervisor) if in any doubt.I mean there's a very real chance that the official visited them and got a doctor over there after. But if she told the official it had been abuse (this person isn't trained to spot signs), then she would have told the independent doctor as well who would be obligated to tell the police, right?
That maybe the case. But other plausible scenarios, assuming the allegations are true.I would 100% believe that the club would try to cover up for the players. Surprised that some people think we'd report this to the police and be fine with losing a 100m asset. Would never happen.
That might well be the case. But I genuinely believe that clubs cover up for footballers all the time. Clubs suspend players only when it gets out of hand, and even then, they offer legal advice. So hearing that the club might have covered this up comes as no surprise whatsoever.That maybe the case. But other plausible scenarios, assuming the allegations are true.
1) it wasn’t reported as an assault at the time, or maybe even the player or his team did the talking. In that case how can the liaison officer be held accountable, naive maybe depending on what the injuries looked like.
2) The liaison officer acted independently trying to do a favour for the club. Then entirely on that individual and you can’t hold the club accountable for the actions of one member of staff.
But finally there is your point. It’s not unheard of for assets to be put above ethics in business.
Hopefully the truth will come out.
That’s incredibly simplistic. Is your suggestion to automatically assume guilt and imprison anyone who has a claim made against them?Ah yes. Another male accused of DV and most of this thread goes all “innocent until proven guilty” and “the club isn’t the morality police”.
All these pesky women making things up about footballers with no actual evidence….
Honestly a lot of attitudes in here are why the conviction rates for this stuff are so low. It’s disgusting. YOU are the problem.
