My mistake for asking for cases, I hope you got my point. False accusations are extremely rare and nowhere near 50%
Antony under investigation by Brazilian authorities for domestic abuse | Back in the squad
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Like I've said in other posts. I think the media needs to be reminded that they aren't judge, jury and executioner, and if they wish to be so then to stop cherry-picking, which they're clearly doing if they're putting pressure on the club to suspend a player for allegations while not putting pressure on other clubs who are freely playing charged players on bail.
I dont see any downside to not be violent against women.
I agree but the British media are fecking scumbags and will do anything for clicks/buys and a Manchester United player facing these accusations is a massive story
Legally he's not guilty, that's why he's playing football in madrid and not in prison.
But we've all seen the pictures and heard the audio, which indicate he's guilty of abusing his partner, that much seems obvious. That's why we're talking about a second chance, he was extremely lucky and got away with it because he convinced his partner to withdraw from the case. Happens all the time.
So why put all your chips on a system that so regularly fail? Both at letting criminals walk free and imprisons innocent people? Makes no sense.
To be fair, British football whored itself to the media decades ago
Yep. They are lower than 10%. According to some studies.
From Reddit, Antony's interview:
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I agree with you that legal system is flawed (and corrupt in same cases). Absolutely. And it sucks to be that person who is fecked by legal system. But between mob rule (which we have today often) and legal system, i choose legal system.
But that's hyperbole isn't it? There is no mob and no one is trying to do justice with their own hands, many people are just against him playing for their football club. They accept what the justice system has done but based on what they saw and heard, they don't like him and don't want to be associated with him. Going from this to mob rule is really pushing it.
This situation keeps getting murkier. No doubt he was advised to not say anything, but he's coming out with specific counter statements to some of the claims. If not true, they'll be used against him, legally. He's also gone with the 'I'll admit to tangential wrongdoings so it seems like I'm telling the truth' approach, legitimate or otherwise, with the admission to adultery.
So... in a case such at his. Extremely he said she said. Obviously don't need to pick a side or believe one or the other, but inevitably the club will come under enormous scrutiny. I have no idea what the right move even is here. Do they suspend him pending the investigation? Or do they play him until the police take a next step? Shit like this could go for months which is why the suspension route to me is a tough one to take even if ultimately guilty.
My stance on what clubs should do is really going the route of "just go with the police decision ultimately". The club are out of their depth in those situations, the police are on it and it's up to them to get to the bottom, so I don't think it's really a fair solution for them to suspend pending investigation like many are saying. As that can open the door to spiteful, strategic accusations to force players to miss important opportunities. Just something to keep mind of.
IMO, for the 0 it's worth, is that the "other accusers" help her case more than anything she's said or the way she's said it and makes me believe he is a piece of shit, but without them I dunno.
My stance on what clubs should do is really going the route of "just go with the police decision ultimately". The club are out of their depth in those situations, the police are on it and it's up to them to get to the bottom, so I don't think it's really a fair solution for them to suspend pending investigation like many are saying. As that can open the door to spiteful, strategic accusations to force players to miss important opportunities. Just something to keep mind of.
IMO, for the 0 it's worth, is that the "other accusers" help her case more than anything she's said or the way she's said it and makes me believe he is a piece of shit, but without them I dunno.
It was translated so gotta keep that in mind for these little bits
Maybe they could just stop (allegedly) abusing their partners. I reckon that would help.
In portuguese, in these topics, "touch her" is used as "hurt her" not literally touch someone.
Even if he does ultimately end up being innocent, which one should hope he is, he comes across as quite a douchebag. Also the him being controlling thing definitely seems on point, even in the way he describes incidents.
Well said.
You can argue he came across that way regardless of the incidents.
Yeah I was wondering if something may come across differently in translation.
I'm not really sure there's anything constructive you can say about what he has said. I'm just going to ignore all of this now because it's going to be messy and frankly it's already pretty ugly. As the MG threads have proved, there's little point in really discussing it.
But it is a mob rule. Look how many people (in general, not only Caf) are convinced (not just that they think) that he is guilty. And they demand from the club to at least suspend him. Look at all this pressure on club also.
I am strong believer in "innocent until proven guilty". And until he is found guilty, he should be free to live his life. If he is guilty then burn the violent prick.
I am with you with outrage towards women, child (and animals
) abusers. They need to be punished severely. But Antony is already basically proven guilty without trial.I've been with a girl in the past who used to behave eerily similar to what Anthony described in those last tweets.
She was not mentally unstable or in need of medical help, was just a conniving & manipultive person to put it nicely. Who would create a situation whenever she wouldn't get her way with something. Like throw plates, glasses or anything else easy to smash.
Most of the times my first instinct was always to leave the house but at times she made that difficult as well. So have had to hold her hand or by her arms etc. Which she used to then go and tell my friends and family that I was hitting her.
Was the worst 3 years of my life. And couldn't even leave her as she had told me she'd register a rape case against me if I did.
Another comparable thing is that to trigger me, to get me to react in anyway she'd say I was terrible at things she knew I took pride in being good at.
Anyways, not saying Anthony's case is the same and we should blindly side by him and turn against her.
It just reminded me of my horrid past and thought it might be good to share here and remind people in this thread that there still might be a chance that he's not guilty.
She was not mentally unstable or in need of medical help, was just a conniving & manipultive person to put it nicely. Who would create a situation whenever she wouldn't get her way with something. Like throw plates, glasses or anything else easy to smash.
Most of the times my first instinct was always to leave the house but at times she made that difficult as well. So have had to hold her hand or by her arms etc. Which she used to then go and tell my friends and family that I was hitting her.
Was the worst 3 years of my life. And couldn't even leave her as she had told me she'd register a rape case against me if I did.
Another comparable thing is that to trigger me, to get me to react in anyway she'd say I was terrible at things she knew I took pride in being good at.
Anyways, not saying Anthony's case is the same and we should blindly side by him and turn against her.
It just reminded me of my horrid past and thought it might be good to share here and remind people in this thread that there still might be a chance that he's not guilty.
This is a position that puts a heck of a lot of trust in the legal system in both directions.
What matters is Greenwood was never tried, yet we all know what we know.
Well if nothing else. That interview does confirm that he’s a throughly unlikable bloke.
It’s always the ones you least suspect.
It’s always the ones you least suspect.
You do know that when he says he didn't touch her he means harm her right? Or are you just being difficult on purpose
The Arsenal guy hasn't been charged. Also I couldn't care less what other clubs are doing and would be more worried about supporting a team with someone potentially abusing women playing.
I don't think he should be suspended unless he is officially charged but at the same time the amount of people who seem to put winning games and protecting assets above everything else is what I hate about this and the Greenwood situation.
ngl, his statements gives me some Amber Heard type of vibe. The woman sounds crazy and vindictive.
Antony has also done what looks like a tv interview.
100% agree with you.
Yes well that is the obvious answer. But thats not what i was replying to.
The move by Antony to get his side of the story out there, and get ahead of the impending mob verdict, is smart. If he had waited in silence while the courts do their job, he'd probably have been heavily penalised at United since the club doesn't have the brains or backbone to defend truth. They just care about image, which is in turn linked to social media mob opinion.
It's quite a strident defence on Antony's part, insofar as he's not just saying he's innocent but also claiming he actually has evidence that proves his innocence and has vowed to clear his name.
If that's the case, then he should be fine and his accuser is in a lot of trouble, as he will presumably pursue legal action against her. But of course if it turns out he doesn't have evidence proving his claim or if he tries to settle rather that prove his innocence as he has promised then that strident position will come back to bite him in terms of public opinion.
If that's the case, then he should be fine and his accuser is in a lot of trouble, as he will presumably pursue legal action against her. But of course if it turns out he doesn't have evidence proving his claim or if he tries to settle rather that prove his innocence as he has promised then that strident position will come back to bite him in terms of public opinion.
Coming out with not hitting "any woman" is not a great indicator. Could just be the translation but that's distancing at its finest. You would expect someone with honesty to be a little more direct and confronting towards the specific accusation and firmly deny that rather than "any woman." It's a specific woman with a name. It's only a little tidbit and doesn't mean too much by itself but it's not really an indicator I want to see in a denial.
Kinda twigged to this already based on how they've conducted themselves, but he and his ex are probably both pretty nasty people when the cameras are away. Angry, jealous and prone to violent outbursts.
Same dynamic as Heard and Depp. Probably the same with Greenwood and his partner.
We'll see what comes out in the next exclusive tv interview, now featuring a half time show. The way this is all being conducted via tv interviews is just rank.
Same dynamic as Heard and Depp. Probably the same with Greenwood and his partner.
We'll see what comes out in the next exclusive tv interview, now featuring a half time show. The way this is all being conducted via tv interviews is just rank.
He’s probably seen what’s happened with the Greenwood situation and thought, ‘feck that, I’m not gonna let the media control the narrative’.
Who knows if that’s the right or wrong thing to do, but IF someone were innocent of such accusations it would be very hard to sit there and watch the media and rabid social media Karens take over the situation.
But again, I don’t think him speaking out or staying silent should have any sway on people’s opinions.
I don’t think people should even have an opinion until the legal process has been completed or abandoned. It’s ludicrous.
These kind of cases turn the issues into a repulsive soap opera / Jeremy Kyle type scenario where the audience bleats and boos and jeers and cheers and the serious issues are bastardised and warped into entertainment.
It’s pathetic.
In this thread and the Greenwood case the amount of times I’ve read people say, ‘I need to hear an explanation’, ‘until I have it explained to me why this was said’ etc - and it’s like, you have nothing to do with this, nor do I. You are not owed any explanation or information other than the legal outcome. You can then either accept that, or essentially sink into gossip and conspiracy.
I find it completely insane that people can’t grasp this.
I don’t want to speculate like so many do here. From what I’ve read above, already calling him guilty seems very premature.
The legal standard for a doctor reporting something to the police, without a patient's permission, is very high due to confidentiality/privacy considerstions. A cut finger isn't neccesarily even suspicious so there may have been nothing to report.
I suspect this aspect of the story is a distraction from the main issue.
Yes, but there is a flip side to this.
The fans aren't entitled to an explanation. But the players also aren't entitled to any benefit of the doubt whatsoever from the public, who are allowed to believe what they like based on the information they have access to. And the explanation the player does or does not put forward will feed into what the public believes.
This is particularly relevant in the Greenwood case given the particularly compelling evidence against him that was made public. He is entitled to not put forward an explanation, but he also has to accept the consequences of not doing so. Which will inevitably include a much greater backlash from the public and greater pressure on clubs/sponsors not to associate with him.
Because while any given group of fans aren't entitled to an explanation from a player, they are entitled to say "if he does not provide an explanation then we do not want him playing for our club anymore and we will do everything we can to pressure our club so that he doesn't". That's their right.
What didn't help him was violating his bail twice to go directly to the victim, soon after which charges were dropped.
He'd have been better off silent rather than revealing the true nature of his situation, clear as day regardless of charges.