Yep.
Are Bruno and Rashford a problem?
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Yeah because the likes of Antony, Holjund, Garnacho, Martial, Van De Beek and Sancho are so good and will make us into a good team again.
This place has a weird fixation with our better players needing to be dropped. Was the same with Pogba. Shaw and Martial for a while under Mourinho. Guess what? Them being dropped didn't make us better.
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Actually, I think if they had played against Liverpool we would have lost. Bruno in particular. Rash might have scored on a counter at least.
Yeah and if they hadn't played last season we would've finished about 10th.
Last season is history.
Well we lost 7=0 last time they did play
Agreed.
Good thing the whole season is United Vs Liverpool then
Why?
Oh. Work rate. We love our work rate, not getting the best out of our attacking players.
Work rate
This has been obvious to anyone since the Ole years. They have dictated our style of play for over three years and they took us as far as they could in 20/21.
Coming into the season they were our ‘best players’ and now we have little to show for it. Ten Hag wanted us to be the best transition team in the world primarily because of these two and it’s been an awful decision.
There have been many of us here criticising both players in their threads even during the good times saying that their style wouldn’t amount to much and to no surprise of ours here we are three years later with nothing.
Rip the team up and get rid of both.
Coming into the season they were our ‘best players’ and now we have little to show for it. Ten Hag wanted us to be the best transition team in the world primarily because of these two and it’s been an awful decision.
There have been many of us here criticising both players in their threads even during the good times saying that their style wouldn’t amount to much and to no surprise of ours here we are three years later with nothing.
Rip the team up and get rid of both.
One of ETH's biggest mistakes was making Bruno captain when Martinez is back he should take the armband.
Rashford should not even be making the bench at this stage, his apparent apathy towards towards the club and game that have made him a multi millionaire is baffling.
Rashford should not even be making the bench at this stage, his apparent apathy towards towards the club and game that have made him a multi millionaire is baffling.
You’re both right. We’ll progress when the likes of Martial, Van De Beek and Sancho are moved on. But, these three are far from regulars and similarly when Rashford and Bruno aren’t so ever present, we have a chance to improve.
nobody will ever convince me that Rashford hasn’t been shambolic for 10 months now. And Bruno, whilst he does create at least some chances is also unbelievably wasteful in possession.
I say we have a chance, it depends on the calibre of player brought in as replacements
Funny that we havent scored in the last 4 games and Rashford has not started any of them
It's a disgrace our captain doesn't come out and talk after the match - probably still lying on the changing room floor crying !
Bruno is of shite character but he is at least capable of delivering fairly consistently when not surrounded by utter dross.
They’re gonna find a new scapegoat now. Bruno vs McT.
Those are your takeaways from the last few weeks?
Shows that they are all as bad as eachother. However, two of the others are kids.
Wouldn't limit it to the last few weeks nor would they be my only takeaways but our two talismans of recent seasons should be offering more than a mix of histrionics and malaise.
Shows Rashfords form was the saving grace last season and the attack is severely lacking in quality
It was. However, what is the point in building a player up into something he is not? Top players do it year in, year out. He simply isn't deserving of his status or the pedestal he is placed on.
Not sure what pedestal I put him on. He is the best attacking player in the team
Not you specifically. However, he should be leading this team through his productivity. Similarly to Salah at Liverpool. His status and wages demand that. He just isn't up to it though.
A side that creates very little. Yes he should be as productive as Salah…. He should not be on the wages he is on we agree there
Does the sun rise every morning?
Rashford certainly is, but it's irrelevant as he'll never go anywhere. He knows he wouldn't get the same treatment elsewhere and would be expected to prove himself, and work hard for his money.
Yes for a controlling football team, they lack sufficient consistency and discipline.
Bruno is a physical machine, but in a way, he’d be much more effective coming on with dominant midfielders around him, to create a moment of magic.
Bruno is a physical machine, but in a way, he’d be much more effective coming on with dominant midfielders around him, to create a moment of magic.
Yeah I think he can only really be effective in the 10 role with 2 CMs behind him who can provide some defensive solidarity. Basically in a 4 2 3 1. The further back he goes the less he becomes.
Yes, he should be as productive as Salah. He was last season and so he should be every season.
Makes zero sense
Bruno's been good for us but his form has slipped drastically in the last two seasons, if a 40 million bid came in for him we should sell.
Makes perfect sense. Top players do it every season. He is marketed and rewarded as if he is one. He isn't.
Salah would not be as productive as he is at Liverpool at United.
As I said already Rashford is paid too much
If Salah was at United, he wouldn't be having seasons like this one (2 goals in 17 league games) or 21/22 (4 goals in 25 league games). It simply isn't good enough.
Does not change the fact he would not be as productive as he is at Liverpool which was the point
The bottom line is that I expect more from Rashford. You do not appear to. We need to cut our losses because we won't get anywhere with fair weather players. We either put our trust in Garnacho like Arsenal did with Martinelli and sign a Trossard type player to compete and rotate with him, or we sign a left sided forward who is more consistent than Rashford and use Garnacho as his deputy.
When literally every single player is performing well below their potential, it's gotta be the system and the coaching. Replacing these two (or anyone else) doesn't seem to change anything.
Same excuse for players like Rashford every year. 'it's the coaching", 'its the system" 
Quite obviously not on it. The worry is even when we’ve got everyone back, I still expect these two to start.
That is one conclusion you could reach. The alternative diagnosis is that our backups to these two are not an improvement, so it doesn't matter who plays, who is coaching them, and what system they're playing. I think the fact we scored 57 & 58 goals during the last two seasons answers this question. These two may be our best but they aren't good enough and neither are our other players.