Ludens the Red
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And as much as I dislike the whole 'celebrity culture' of the World in general, David Beckham earned his place in numerous teams on merit. I think he definitely qualifies as a quality player.Giggs, Scholes and G Neville were, at one point or another, the best players in their respective positions the world over. To even question their ability is insane.
Just out of interest who was your 11?Hmmm, when I put together my "Fergie's best XI" team, only two of them make it - Scholes and Beckham. Obviously Giggs and Neville unlucky to miss out.
I have it as you described. I think Beckham was slightly better than Giggs during his time at United, but we're talking very small margins, it's more a personal preference and I wouldn't bother arguing it any more than that.Just out of interest who was your 11?
Irwin was not really a right back but yeah you could put him there and Evra at left back.
Ronaldo never really played on the left so him on the left and Beckham on the right isn't right really. The team would be better with Ronaldo on the right and prime Giggs on the left. He was a better player for United than Beckham especially if you include longevity.
It gets worse and worse.
It has come to this ? I'm afraid of the day I'll see a thread here with a title : " Is SAF an overrated manager ?". It's coming closer now.
Agree. If anything Beckham has become slightly underrated in recent years. Most people seems only to remember brand Beckham in MLS. But he's a phenomenal footballer in his prime.And as much as I dislike the whole 'celebrity culture' of the World in general, David Beckham earned his place in numerous teams on merit. I think he definitely qualifies as a quality player.
That is where the "overrated" thing will come from. In the treble winning season, only Beckham was a really key player in the team's success. Keane, Schmeichel, Stam, Yorke and Cole were far more influential in that team.They won us a treble, what more can you ask for?
Don’t forget Giggs scoring the greatest goal in FA Cup history. Wouldn’t have won the treble if it wasn’t for that goal.I would have said "no" but then read this.
That is where the "overrated" thing will come from. In the treble winning season, only Beckham was a really key player in the team's success. Keane, Schmeichel, Stam, Yorke and Cole were far more influential in that team.
Shocking oversight on my part to ignore Beckham. He was indeed a great player in his own right, top passer of the ball and possibly the greatest crosser we have ever had at the club. Butt was no mug either, his only problem being that he had to win a spot in a 2-man midfield consisting of Scholes and Keane - yeah good luck with that!And as much as I dislike the whole 'celebrity culture' of the World in general, David Beckham earned his place in numerous teams on merit. I think he definitely qualifies as a quality player.
Beckham was a class below Scholes, not even close.David Beckham at his very peak was better than Giggs or Scholes.
As for the class of 92 being overrated, I want what the OP is smoking.
Not while they were both at United. From the time they broke through until the season before Beckham left, Beckham was generally better and more influential.Beckham was a class below Scholes, not even close.
Sigh...see this is why democracy and free speech dont workReading Roy Keanes old comments on the class of 92 being more a brand than anything else got me thinking.
Yes Scholes is a true legend and great player the others wonderful servants but were they really better than others in their positions ?
More importantly how important were they to our success ? By that I mean take the likes of Keane,Cantona,Schmeichel and later on Ronaldo and Rooney would we have been as successful had we just the class of 92 to rely on?
I get the feeling had they not come through the ranks Fergie could have pulled other players in for their positions and we would have won the same.
Without Keane,Eric etc then I doubt the same can be said .
Beckham was a class act for sure but we will have to agree to disagree on the better player.Not while they were both at United. From the time they broke through until the season before Beckham left, Beckham was generally better and more influential.
I'd agree Scholes was, overall, the better player. I'm just talking about the period roughly 95/96-02. For some of that period Scholes wasn't guaranteed his place in the first XI. And he didn't have a season as influential as Beckham's 98/99 until 02/03.Beckham was a class act for sure but we will have to agree to disagree on the better player.
I get your point, Beckham definitely was the first of the two to really show his quality but for me he never really became the top world class player that he looked like he could have been.I'd agree Scholes was, overall, the better player. I'm just talking about the period roughly 95/96-02. For some of that period Scholes wasn't guaranteed his place in the first XI. And he didn't have a season as influential as Beckham's 98/99 until 02/03.
Of three three great talents of the Co92, Giggs is the slightly disappointing one for me, given what he looked like he might become when he first shot out of the blocks. Seems strange to say that given his amazing career, but his best season was probably 93/94, I don't think he ever quite hit those heights again, and he had some pretty long spells of inconsistency.I get your point, Beckham definitely was the first of the two to really show his quality but for me he never really became the top world class player that he looked like he could have been.