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Players who are getting recovered from their injuries and are expected to be available:

- Paulo Dybala
- Cristian Romero
- Nicolas Tagliafico


Players who are still in doubt and could be replaced

- Nicolas Gonzalez
- Marcos Acuña


Those who are on the list to be incorpored for these two players

- Facundo Medina (CB - RC Lens)
- Angel Correa (MC - Atletico de Madrid)


No one is really mentioning Garnacho at the moment, I personally don't think he can get a call.
 
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And I will reserve this for some crazy theories





First theory, Diego's left hand right near to a certain flag not being the scottish one.
 

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The team that will most likely start on tuesday vs Saudi Arabia

Martinez
Molina - Romero - Otamendi- Tagliafico/Acuña
Paredes - De Paul - Mac Allister / Gomez
Messi - Lautaro - Di Maria
 

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The team that will most likely start on tuesday vs Saudi Arabia

Martinez
Molina - Romero - Otamendi- Tagliafico/Acuña
Paredes - De Paul - Mac Allister / Gomez
Messi - Lautaro - Di Maria
Is there any debate in the country regarding Martinez to start over Otamendi?
 

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Messi actually named England as one of the top 3 favorites. :houllier:
 

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Is there any debate in the country regarding Martinez to start over Otamendi?
Otamendi will probably eventually cost them. But on paper given their run I don't think they'll make a change.
 

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Is there any debate in the country regarding Martinez to start over Otamendi?

On twitter there is, but most people also accept that Otamendi is having a great moment both in football and as a character. So the most common sense is that it's a pity that such a player has to be a reserve.
 

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Have a feeling once Spain have a bad showing they will call up Garnacho to the next Spain squad.
 

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Is there any debate in the country regarding Martinez to start over Otamendi?



"Two months ago nobody had in mind that both Julian and Lisandro could have many minutes at the WC, but everything has changed and it looks like they will be a constant replacement"



Maybe we end up playing with Licha at some important stages.





Had a good game yesterday, with some great breaking line passes
 

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On twitter there is, but most people also accept that Otamendi is having a great moment both in football and as a character. So the most common sense is that it's a pity that such a player has to be a reserve.
In that case, what about Otamendi & Martinez as the CB pairing instead?
 

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In that case, what about Otamendi & Martinez as the CB pairing instead?
That would only happen if Romero isn't recovered. In that case I think that will happen. But with Cuti ready, there's no chance. And this pairing with Cuti and Ota have already many caps and they even won the Copa America title. I don't think you can break that now.
 

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What's so perplexing about that?
This is the worst England team since God knows when. Average center backs, average midfield, average goalkeepers. Good backs but half of them are injured. One world class striker in Kane and a promising wide player in Saka.
The way I see it Southgate is a miracle man because he took the absolute maximum out of this squad.

And also this will only get worse in the future. How many Englishmen play week in week out for the big EPL clubs? It is not a healthy situations and I think the recent success of youth teams turns a blind eye to the problem. England has more professional football clubs than any other country in the world, there is a basis for a never ending stream of talent but these guys don’t make minutes.

I find it an incredibly odd statement by Messi. My top 3 is Argentina, Spain and Brazil.
 

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This is the worst England team since God knows when. Average center backs, average midfield, average goalkeepers. Good backs but half of them are injured. One world class striker in Kane and a promising wide player in Saka.
The way I see it Southgate is a miracle man because he took the absolute maximum out of this squad.

And also this will only get worse in the future. How many Englishmen play week in week out for the big EPL clubs?

I find it an incredibly odd statement by Messi. My top 3 is Argentina, Spain and Brazil.
England are 3rd/4th Favs with the bookies. And yes that's worldwide bookies not Dave from Brixton.

It's not just a Messi opinion.

As it happens I don't fancy 'us' toget past the QF's this time round, but it's not a crazy opinion to suggest otherwise.
 

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"Two months ago nobody had in mind that both Julian and Lisandro could have many minutes at the WC, but everything has changed and it looks like they will be a constant replacement"



Maybe we end up playing with Licha at some important stages.





Had a good game yesterday, with some great breaking line passes
Yeah I watched the game yesterday, although the opposition wasn't good you can see his obvious quality on the ball.

Is Enzo Fernandez not a starter then ?

This Argentina team is really exciting, I think it's a lot more balanced compared to the 2014 team that reached the final. Even the bench is solid in every department. What are the hopes for this team in Argentina ? Considering the unbeaten run I expect that many are expecting a 3rd world cup ?
 

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"Two months ago nobody had in mind that both Julian and Lisandro could have many minutes at the WC, but everything has changed and it looks like they will be a constant replacement"



Maybe we end up playing with Licha at some important stages.





Had a good game yesterday, with some great breaking line passes
As Mexican, I expect this to be our worst World Cup since 1978.

All and each of the Argentina players have like 3 times more quality in one of their legs than any other Mexican. Argentina's options in attack are Messi, Lautaro Martinez, Julián Alvarez, Dybala, the Correas and Di María and Mexico's options are Rogelio Funes Mori who will be delivering mates to Martino in the bench, Jiménez who has been "playing" in wheelchair for about 6 months and who looked awfuel vs Sweden yesterday, and 3 other strikers that combined sum 10 goals in the Mexican League...

Honestly, if we are able to win vs Saudi Arabia it will be best they can do.
 

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As Mexican, I expect this to be our worst World Cup since 1978.

All and each of the Argentina players have like 3 times more quality in one of their legs than any other Mexican. Argentina's options in attack are Messi, Lautaro Martinez, Julián Alvarez, Dybala, the Correas and Di María and Mexico's options are Rogelio Funes Mori who will be delivering mates to Martino in the bench, Jiménez who has been "playing" in wheelchair for about 6 months and who looked awfuel vs Sweden yesterday, and 3 other strikers that combined sum 10 goals in the Mexican League...

Honestly, if we are able to win vs Saudi Arabia it will be best they can do.
You've landed in a fortunate group as I know the optimism in the country in the side and manager is low. Saudi Arabia look one of the weakest in the comp, and it's a REALLY average Poland side.You have a chance.
 

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This is the worst England team since God knows when. Average center backs, average midfield, average goalkeepers. Good backs but half of them are injured. One world class striker in Kane and a promising wide player in Saka.
The way I see it Southgate is a miracle man because he took the absolute maximum out of this squad.

And also this will only get worse in the future. How many Englishmen play week in week out for the big EPL clubs? It is not a healthy situations and I think the recent success of youth teams turns a blind eye to the problem. England has more professional football clubs than any other country in the world, there is a basis for a never ending stream of talent but these guys don’t make minutes.

I find it an incredibly odd statement by Messi. My top 3 is Argentina, Spain and Brazil.
Honestly you could say this about Argentina who are in your top 3.
 

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I disagree, this Argentina team is a lot more balanced than the one that reached the world cup final.
I’d say Argentina are favourites just to be clear. But the argument that this England team has some average players applies to all the other favourites.
 

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You've landed in a fortunate group as I know the optimism in the country in the side and manager is low. Saudi Arabia look one of the weakest in the comp, and it's a REALLY average Poland side.You have a chance.
Maybe you're right, it's not a complicated group. Mexico could still move forward with 4 points, but the matter is that if still goes on against France or the remote chance of facing Denmark that's as long as the journey goes.
 

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Maybe you're right, it's not a complicated group. Mexico could still move forward with 4 points, but the matter is that if still goes on against France or the remote chance of facing Denmark that's as long as the journey goes.
Yes I can't see Mexico getting past the round of 16. Shame to see such negativity at the moment as they've had some really fun to watch teams over recent world cups.
 

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My favourites for the Cup. Lo Celso is perhaps the only key player missing, think Romero will be back. Will be interesting to see if Enzo is picked for the Lo Celso position.
 

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Players who are getting recovered from their injuries and are expected to be available:

- Paulo Dybala
- Cristian Romero
- Nicolas Tagliafico


Players who are still in doubt and could be replaced

- Nicolas Gonzalez
- Marcos Acuña


Those who are on the list to be incorpored for these two players

- Facundo Medina (CB - RC Lens)
- Angel Correa (MC - Atletico de Madrid)


No one is really mentioning Garnacho at the moment, I personally don't think he can get a call.



Confirmed then: Nicolas Gonzalez won't recover in time and will be replaced by Angel Correa (ATM). Nico has done well for Scaloni, it's a little bit sad that this happened.
 

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Is Correa injured?


Yes. He finished yesterday's game with an injury in the knee it seems. Appartently he didn't recovery well from a previous injury in the same place.

It's confirmed by newspaper Olé, so he's out. They didn't announce who's gonna be the replacement.
 

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Candidates to replace Correa: Gio Simeone (Napoli), Thiago Almada (Atlanta United), Alejandro Garnacho.


I think Gio Simeone has the advantage here, because of the position he plays and his current form.

Thiago Almada is someone appreciated by Scaloni though, he played the last friendlies and they were impressed with him.

I think Garnacho comes 3rd here, again, don't think he could get called.
 

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Do we want Garnacho in the squad? I’d rather he has a month off, and is fresh and firing for all the footy post the WC.
 

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Candidates to replace Correa: Gio Simeone (Napoli), Thiago Almada (Atlanta United), Alejandro Garnacho.


I think Gio Simeone has the advantage here, because of the position he plays and his current form.

Thiago Almada is someone appreciated by Scaloni though, he played the last friendlies and they were impressed with him.

I think Garnacho comes 3rd here, again, don't think he could get called.



Official: Thiago Almada joins the squad
 

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A bit sad Argentina have a couple of injuries. Lo Celso, Correa and Gonzalez all good players, that would have started games.
 

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How has he been doing?
I really, really like him. He's just 21 years old and has been there for ages. He has tons of quality to link up and also score goals or assist. He's been called a couple times, especially in the last tour at the US, and they were impressed with him.

In fact, many expected him to get into the 26 players list.

 

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A bit sad Argentina have a couple of injuries. Lo Celso, Correa and Gonzalez all good players, that would have started games.

The only starter is Lo Celso. Correa is a bit overrated IMO, while Gonzalez was a regular starter and he's been very good but lately he's been a sub.
 

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I really, really like him. He's just 21 years old and has been there for ages. He has tons of quality to link up and also score goals or assist. He's been called a couple times, especially in the last tour at the US, and they were impressed with him.

In fact, many expected him to get into the 26 players list.

I’ll have a watch. I know he was highly rated but wasn’t sure how his move had gone.

I was interested in Barco but he didn’t seem to kick on in the US. They both look interesting talents.
 

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Is there any debate in the country regarding Martinez to start over Otamendi?
I was in Argentina a few weeks ago and nobody could work out who Martínez was.

I ended up wondering myself if I had made up his given name as most brought up Lisandro Paredes instead (I figured, as they vaguely remembered a Lisandro at Roma).

So no, no chance.
 
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