So an “anarcho-capitalist” is a surprise front runner in the Argentine presidential elections. This guys sounds off the fecking chart crazy. Bolsonaro on steroids. Another social media fuelled head the ball about to come to power?
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Bet @Marcosdeto is all over him
Sounds like a lovely fella.
Pity we won't know
He looks like an idiot as well
Is what desperation causes. Argentina had been fecked over and over the last 2 decades for the politicians and rampant corruption with constant inflation rates. this year inflation will be 113%
This reminds me Venezuelan inflation hike up of the last decade. Venezuela had an inflation of 56% in 2013, 69% in 2014 and started to escalate exponentially from 2015 (121%). It doesn't mean that is the same situation, but this index and the US dollar black market sold in the streets makes it look like a very explosive situation. If in US with way less problems voted for a populist like Trump, imagine in a economic situation like in Argentina what can bring.
This guy said that selling your organs should be legal. Private property above anything else but military, police and justice. If that guy comes in to power, he might privatize anything that argentina have and once sold, this will never come back to the Argentinian public.
Anyway, it doesn't seem that they will ever find a politician that will safe them. Argentina is going to very fecked up phase
A very frightening and dangerous candidate. Some of his "Freedom for all" positions include opposition to abortion -even in the case of a child being raped- and to sexual education in schools, ensuring the free bearing of arms and, of course, climate change denial. Yep, kind of the MAGA trifecta at this point. As a bonus track, he also has spoken in favour of the human organs market.
There's dark times ahead of us if we don't find a way to take a stand against this type of candidates, both domestically and globally.
There's dark times ahead of us if we don't find a way to take a stand against this type of candidates, both domestically and globally.
IMO the 3 biggest issues with argentinian economy are rampant corruption, de facto dolarization and unmanageable debt. Inflation and poverty have been the natural consequences of those 3 systemic factors, with real wages decreasing for the most part of the last 50 years. Sadly, there are no real responses from the political spectrum, which has been kidnapped by two main parties (justicialistas or "peronistas" and radicales). After the Kirchners, Macri and Fernández consecutively failed to stabilize the situation, a good portion of the electorate started to look for more fringe/extreme alternatives like this guy.Is what desperation causes. Argentina had been fecked over and over the last 2 decades for the politicians and rampant corruption with constant inflation rates. this year inflation will be 113%
This reminds me Venezuelan inflation hike up of the last decade. Venezuela had an inflation of 56% in 2013, 69% in 2014 and started to escalate exponentially from 2015 (121%). It doesn't mean that is the same situation, but this index and the US dollar black market sold in the streets makes it look like a very explosive situation. If in US with way less problems voted for a populist like Trump, imagine in a economic situation like in Argentina what can bring.
This guy said that selling your organs should be legal. Private property above anything else but military, police and justice. If that guy comes in to power, he might privatize anything that argentina have and once sold, this will never come back to the Argentinian public.
Anyway, it doesn't seem that they will ever find a politician that will safe them. Argentina is going to very fecked up phase
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Yeah, I am not an expert in Argentinian politics at all, but following here and there is absolutely stupid the politicians that they elect. since the hyperinflation of the 90s passing through the the stupidity of the dollar parity, the pizza and champagne and being in denial that it was possible to sustain it over time till it exploded with the corralito, it had been no decent politician.
As you said the dollarization is destroying the economy as the government pretended to deny that there is a secondary black market for a while when I visited 9 years ago and the gap between the black market exchange and the real exchange started to widening. Similar than in Venezuela when I visited 2 years prior.
The country is going to economicaly explode dragging latinamerica and mercosur as they are trying already to absorb Venezuelan economical migration. And yes, this guy is not the solution. it will create a Mad Max economic situation. But there is always Messi winning a second world cup in 2026 with 39 years old and nothing to see here
Apparently the polls have this fecking nutcase well out in front and he could be in power by Sunday.
How scared should we be?
How scared should we be?
Look at the state of him man.
Got a bit of a Gary Glitter look about him
See he's going straight in on electoral fraud in case he loses. Trump, Bolsonaro, this cnut. All the same playbook.
As soon as we get rid of populist shitstains like Trump and Bolsonaro, there had to be one more popping up.
The state of this world, man...
The state of this world, man...
Milei got only 30% of the vote, against 36% for Sergio Massa from the governing party. Good news for now, but it has to be ratified in a ballotage.
Bullrich (Center right), who arrived in third place with 23%, is unlikely to support either candidate so her vote will probably split.
Bullrich (Center right), who arrived in third place with 23%, is unlikely to support either candidate so her vote will probably split.
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Aren't they trying to join BRICS? How is his view on that group? Sounds like he would fit pretty good in that group if he becomes the president?
I've never understood what the hell Peronism is. Wiki is just a big word salad.
Populist alt-right candidate being popular in a desperate country, cause he gives crazy easy solutions? Where have we seen this before.
Saying that, whoever wins (hopefully the other guy), needs to do some radical changes in their economy. They essentially default every other week and have Zimbabwean inflation, so it clearly has not been working for them.
Saying that, whoever wins (hopefully the other guy), needs to do some radical changes in their economy. They essentially default every other week and have Zimbabwean inflation, so it clearly has not been working for them.
The other guy is the current finance minister
As Argentinean prospects look bleak, it appears at least today's guys are trying to go in the right direction. Milei's diatribes esentially propose to diminish the state's social functions to a ridiculous level, in a country in which about 62% of the population depends on them. It's madness.
I wonder if trying the same approach that Brazil did can fix Argentina's hyperinflation?
Trump on steroids vs the economy MP that brought argentina to +100% inflation and raising....
Milei seems like an absolutely unhinged person. Worse than Trump.
Don't do it Argentina.
Don't do it Argentina.
Wtf Argentina ffs
YOU SONUVABITCH!!! WHY?!! TELL ME WHY!!!
what the feck. bye bye argentina.This guy seems to me way worse than trump
Economically stable countries can survive a few years of a nutjob in charge. Good luck Argentina!
I’m guessing he will try to put forward some insane policies and then quickly get told to stop when the situation becomes even more unbearable(Their economy is already in the shitter).
The right wingers seem to have the same issue as the left social democrats which is the system is so incredibly fragile that any change results near collapse.
Very strange times.
The right wingers seem to have the same issue as the left social democrats which is the system is so incredibly fragile that any change results near collapse.
Very strange times.
He's a patchwork of ideas, that's for sure. Will be interesting.
Not surprised. Whenever I've met Argentinian's I've always been shocked at how openly racist they've been, especially the young. If anything they've been quite slow to elect a nutter.
This is going to be an ongoing problem for many countries with the global economy in the state it is. People desperate for change will embrace the far right and figures like this.
The problem with this economic system, if you make some bad decisions or if events cause huge damage to your economy, it gets out of control and is nearly impossible to turn around. This is the issue with globalisation, it forces all countries to adopt similar fiscal rules, anyone who tries something else and they will be punished severely with sanctions and other measures for stepping out of line. That makes their situation worse which leads to the people getting angry and electing ever more dangerous or unhinged types promising they will fix it for them. We need a massive reset because I see this becoming a common theme for the rest of this century.
The problem with this economic system, if you make some bad decisions or if events cause huge damage to your economy, it gets out of control and is nearly impossible to turn around. This is the issue with globalisation, it forces all countries to adopt similar fiscal rules, anyone who tries something else and they will be punished severely with sanctions and other measures for stepping out of line. That makes their situation worse which leads to the people getting angry and electing ever more dangerous or unhinged types promising they will fix it for them. We need a massive reset because I see this becoming a common theme for the rest of this century.
Argentina isn't the US. They aren't too big to fail. This could go sideways very fast.
The other guy was in charge of the hole they are in, that isn't the right direction but the end of a 20-year-long process which has landed them there.The other guy is the current finance minister
As Argentinean prospects look bleak, it appears at least today's guys are trying to go in the right direction. Milei's diatribes esentially propose to diminish the state's social functions to a ridiculous level, in a country in which about 62% of the population depends on them. It's madness.
How? You couldn't put it better: 62% of the population are state dependent. That's where populism takes you, a nation of bums living off the state and consistently voting the shitstains that will keep giving them their fix to perpetuate themselves.
The guy isn't at all wrong that Argentina needs major surgery and it is a good thing a majority still want to change direction despite knowing full well it's not going to be pretty.
Unfortunately, he is definitely a nutjob, has absolutely no idea how government or the day to day of politics works, doesn't command a majority and is unlikely to consolidate a coalition government, so will soon enough end up blaming parliament and bureaucrats getting in the way of him fulfilling a clear mandate.
They are in for a rough ride, no doubt. But then, with the other chap they were heading for one as well, his only appeal was "better the devil you know", which is a shit basis to vote for a President. Same goes for "anyone but...", of course.
That guy looks like a maniac.
Where is Lionel Messi?
62% state dependent and they vote a guy that wants to destroy anything that the state represents. How many times people will vote against themselves? I agree, the other was the economy MP that brought Argentina in this accelerated mess (they had been a mess since the corralito) and he was not the solution by any means, but the surgery than Milei want to do, will kill the patient in a gruesome and painful way.
I have the hope that he will not be able to implement anything that he said that he would do. I imagine that he doesn't have full power? or how it works? I just hope Argentina political system can put stoppers at the most crazy proposals at least
I don't know a lot about the situation in Argentina, but this feels simplistic.