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Argentina is economically stable? Not something I associate with them.Economically stable countries can survive a few years of a nutjob in charge. Good luck Argentina!
Argentina is economically stable? Not something I associate with them.Economically stable countries can survive a few years of a nutjob in charge. Good luck Argentina!
Which is why they'll need all the luck they can getArgentina is economically stable? Not something I associate with them.
Clearly not.What do you reckon will happen to the 62%? All go and get better paid jobs tomorrow?
45% live in poverty and 51.7% require some form of government handout to make ends meet.What do you guys mean by 62% state dependency? Argentina's public sector seems to medium sized according to be google (roughly 17%).
I don't disagree with this, just trying to convey the rationale behind voting for something else, anything else, and this was the alternative option presented to them.I just happen to think the alternative of introducing insane anarcho-capitalism on an already suffering and struggling population is very much not the solution. As bad as things are, they can get much worse.
Handout is a very loaded way of describing welfare, IMO.Clearly not.
45% live in poverty and 51.7% require some form of government handout to make ends meet.
That clearly is a problem, but the bigger problem is that the other candidate represents the option that increased those handouts x11 over the last 20 years.
You can say they are very generous or think they are the root of the problem, as 55% of Argentinians did.
I don't disagree with this, just trying to convey the rationale behind voting for something else, anything else, and this was the alternative option presented to them.
To be fair removing overpaid hurdle builders isn't necessarily a bad thing if you want to rebuild.
He's an anarcho-capitalist. He's ideologically bound to believe that literally anything that isn't the army and the police are overpaid hurdle builders.To be fair removing overpaid hurdle builders isn't necessarily a bad thing if you want to rebuild.
We’re just masochists really, having a good old time of itIn some ways they've elected someone who is worse than Trump, Modi, Bolsonaro, Orban, etc. On the other hand, Argentina is such a mess that it's easier to understand how someone like that could get elected. The other countries didn't have such an excuse. Particularly Britain, who had the least excuse of anyone for their omnishambles elections.
Well, we had just had someone asking where 64% came from and someone else replying it could involve various definitions.Handout is a very loaded way of describing welfare, IMO.
Good summary. At first sight this is an absolutely terrible decision by any standard, that somehow gets more understandable as you get some context on today's Argentina. Thing is, when these kind of awful choices accumulate globally, the aftermath of the UK, US, and Brazil's experiences should be considered too. And those cases ended with impoverished economies, blatant corruption, regressions in civil liberties, disregard of judiciary and democratic institutions and, of course, millions dying due to criminal mismanagement of a crisis.In some ways they've elected someone who is worse than Trump, Modi, Bolsonaro, Orban, etc. On the other hand, Argentina is such a mess that it's easier to understand how someone like that could get elected. The other countries didn't have such an excuse. Particularly Britain, who had the least excuse of anyone for their omnishambles elections.
That’s a hell of a take. Isn’t it more likely just a symptom of an economy that’s been flatlining for two decades with increasing unemployment leading to more and more people needing state support to survive?Well, we had just had someone asking where 64% came from and someone else replying it could involve various definitions.
I'd say "welfare" is a very unloaded term. Isn't healthcare an integral part of welfare? What I was describing was 51.7% needing government money to make ends meet. Call it handout or subsidy for all I care but "welfare" it is not and when it has been steadily and consistently rising for two decades it is fair (not loaded) to conclude it is designed as a handout and a means to create dependence. No plan or willingness to turn it around, not from the state.
If you mean I'm dissing those receiving them do the maths, many of those receiving them are saying it's not what they want to look forward to (which is pretty fecking brave to be fair because I'm not seeing any solution to it that doesn't involve a lot of pain, I won't say risk because there's no probability involved, it's a certainty).
Thought that was his momHis VP seems absolutely bat shit.
It's actually his third Mastiff.Thought that was his mom
Marcos Deto.What was that Argentinian cat’s name who used to post on here? Pissing me off that I can’t remember.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_VillarruelThought that was his mom
That’s right, a bit of an odd duck.Marcos Deto.
Marcos was a lot of fun but the Messi v Ronaldo thread destroyed him. He was never the same again.That’s right, a bit of an odd duck.
And why is the economy flatlining?That’s a hell of a take. Isn’t it more likely just a symptom of an economy that’s been flatlining for two decades with increasing unemployment leading to more and more people needing state support to survive?
The broken economy is the problem not the consequences it causes.
I honestly don't wish him success, since that would entail the complete dismantling of the Argentinian state. A successful ancap state is a nightmare for the vast majority of people.There’s a lesson here for western governments, if you continually fail to provide economic solutions for young people, someone will come along and persuade young people that government is the cause of their problems, not the solution to them.
For the sake of the Argentine people, I wish this guy nothing but good fortune and success.
Peronism = everyone must drink PeroniCan someone explain Peronism? Anything I look it up, it's always big word salads.
Peronism = everyone must drink Peroni
Perón was a military dictator akin to fascistic movements of the late 30s - early 40s, who nevertheless made important deals with the unions at the time to implement significant social reform in a country that barely had any of that before. That made him a politically electable figure that transcended the typical definitions of left and right at the time, just like the party he founded ("Partido Justicialista") which is considered the home of Peronismo.Can someone explain Peronism? Anything I look it up, it's always big word salads.
That's it in a nutshell and it isn't particularly hard to make the case either, not when your courts find a former President and leader of the incumbent*** party guilty of scamming half a billion euros from the government. And that's just the one case focused on infrastructure tenders (roads, etc).There’s a lesson here for western governments, if you continually fail to provide economic solutions for young people, someone will come along and persuade young people that government is the cause of their problems, not the solution to them.
A salad is an appropriate analogy. You could call it populism, but populists usually rise and fall embracing a narrative. In peronism there's no ideology, just the singular objective of perpetuating yourself and your circle in power.Can someone explain Peronism? Anything I look it up, it's always big word salads.
I’m guessing he will try to put forward some insane policies and then quickly get told to stop
Didn't he say that he would get rid of the central bank too? We will see how long the standing down will last.
Yep seems so. Tbh it wouldn’t be surprising if getting rid of the central banks in reality means a paint job and changing the name.Didn't he say that he would get rid of the central bank too? We will see how long the standing down will last.
I'd give him a run of ten gamesGive the man a chance.