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I don't think this arsenal squad is as bad as it looks. They got some impressive youngsters in Saka, Martinelli and Smith Rowe. Their transfer strategy seems bizarre, spending so much in White who isnt anything special and now Ramsdale? I mean what the actual feck. Have I missed something? I don't think he's even average.

There where plenty of criticism towards him and even Sheffield fans were saying they would have done so much better if they had kept Henderson if I recall correctly.

Anyway until they get a proper coach they can sign anyone but they won't improve their style is pretty damn awful and Arteta seems nothing but clueless.
 

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If those 4 reach their potential then they can be a good creative base but they are going to need to start playing a lot more directly and there is still a gaping hole in there where a striker needs to be. I imagine Arsenal will want to be on the Haaland express next year but without a top 4 finish I doubt Mino will even return their calls and so the scouts are going to need to work overtime to find an alternative.
I don't see it tbh, ESR and Martinelli especially are overrated by Arsenal fans. Saka and Odegaard I agree with. I think the fact that Arsenal are in such a dire situation it makes those young players look better than they actually are. ESR and Martinelli had a total of 4 goals together in the EPL last season. Saka and Odegaard had a total of 6. The fact that these 4 players will take up 3 of the 4 attacking positions on most matchdays doesn't give me any confidence in Arsenal scoring goals.

Arsenal fans in general seems to want Arteta to let go of the more senior players and give the younger players more starts. Laca and Auba had 23 goals between them last season compared to the 4 younger players 10 goals. If Auba and Laca are let go of or are dropped for their younger players Arsenal are in big big trouble. I don't see them finishing top half without Laca and Auba.
 

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I feel a bit sorry for Arsenal.

I'm not saying that Ole's some title winning capable manager - but what he has done at United and helped rebuild, its much much better than what Arteta has.

I know there's a difference in money - but I still don't that's the cause of a difference between Ole and Arteta or United & Arsenal.
 

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I don't see it tbh, ESR and Martinelli especially are overrated by Arsenal fans. Saka and Odegaard I agree with. I think the fact that Arsenal are in such a dire situation it makes those young players look better than they actually are. ESR and Martinelli had a total of 4 goals together in the EPL last season. Saka and Odegaard had a total of 6. The fact that these 4 players will take up 3 of the 4 attacking positions on most matchdays doesn't give me any confidence in Arsenal scoring goals.
Hence the need for them to start being more direct and stop with Arteta's sideways passing obsession and for them to add a finisher to the group. I think Martinelli is a decent enough talent but I don't see him as the main man and certainly cannot imagine him filling the number 9 role in the long term.
 

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I rate Smith-Rowe and definitely Saka. Not sure about Martinelli.
 

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Hence the need for them to start being more direct and stop with Arteta's sideways passing obsession and for them to add a finisher to the group. I think Martinelli is a decent enough talent but I don't see him as the main man and certainly cannot imagine him filling the number 9 role in the long term.
I agree, Odegaard should change that and add a bit more creativity. I just think Arsenal are at a period similar to where we were when we had a lot of younger players come through because our squad recruitment was terrible. With Moyes and LVG we had Januzaj, Rashford, Martial, CBJ, Mcnair, Lingard, Varela, Perriera, Fosu Mensah and Wilson all break through, and the majority of them were overrated at the time by United fans. Now 5-6 years later, only Rashford is a starter (debatable atm) with Martial/Lingard squad options. The rest are gone. I think the players of that list that have true Arsenal quality is Saka and maybe Odegaard. Balogun, Nketieh, ESR, Martinelli, Nelson aren't good enough to be starting for Arsenal. Once, they make some decent signings they will leave like our young players did.
 

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I mean its quite obvious to see that Bruno has a winning mentality, you must be completely naive to think otherwise. Okay, so because he hasn't won a trophy outside Portgual he is not a winner?

Maguire is a leader in the dressing room, I know many don't think its true but the United squad now has leaders in there, hence the signings of Cavani, Sancho, Varane, VDB, these are all winners that bring a certain mentality to the team, on the training ground.

Arsenal have the opposite, players like Bellerin complaining training is too difficult and that.
What makes someone like Sancho or Van Der Beek a leader & someone like Odegaard isn't?
 
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What was the consensus in the article, that he's rubbish?! :wenger:
Is Aaron Ramsdale the next great English goalkeeping talent, or should he count himself lucky to have attracted the interest of a club like Arsenal? It is a curious reality of his young career that, really, it could be argued either way.
Ramsdale’s detractors will point to the three relegations he has experienced in the last four seasons. His defenders will note that he has won individual club awards (young player of the year on loan at Wimbledon, supporters’ player of the year at Bournemouth, player of the year at Sheffield United) in each of the last three years.
If it all seems rather unclear, then at least one statement can be made with absolute conviction: Arsenal regard him as talented enough to become their long-term number one. They have agreed to pay Sheffield United an initial £24m for the 23-year-old, a figure which could rise to £30m if various requirements are met.
Ramsdale will no doubt start his Arsenal career as backup to Bernd Leno, but his time will surely come sooner rather than later. The succession plan has been drawn. Leno has two years remaining on his contract and there have been no indications that he will be receiving, or indeed wanting, a new deal any time soon.
Given Arsenal’s challenging financial circumstances, it is a reflection of their faith in Ramsdale that they have been willing to make such an investment. They are backing him to develop into one of the league’s outstanding goalkeepers, and they are backing themselves to help him get there.
Ramsdale, it should be said, has time on his hands. Of the goalkeepers to play at least 15 matches in the Premier League last season, only Leeds United’s Illan Meslier is younger, while the average age of last season’s regular goalkeepers is 29.
To those with expertise in the art of shot-stopping, Ramsdale is already at a commendable Premier League level. John Harrison, a goalkeeping analyst who helps professional clubs to scout goalkeepers, describes him as being in “the middle of the pack” in the top flight.
THREAD: #Ramsdale to #Arsenal

It will be interesting to see how #Ramsdale gets on at #AFC & how his game evolves.

One thing #AFC know they are getting is a quality 1v1 stopper!

My model suggests #Ramsdale’s 1v1 prowess saved #SUFC ~3 goals more than an average #PL GK would’ve! pic.twitter.com/MZFmNVmsGB
— John Harrison (@Jhdharrison1) August 19, 2021
Some of his attributes, Harrison says, are outstanding. Ramsdale excels in close-range situations, using his agility and spreading his frame. His reactions are quick and he is capable of getting down to his corners at speed.
At the same time, there are concerns over his positioning — “he can get a little too high up on the ball,” says Harrison — and he occasionally falls victim to an “arm swing” problem that troubles other goalkeepers, such as Chelsea’s Kepa Arrizabalaga.
In these incidents, goalkeepers throw their arms behind their backs in order to build momentum when they dive, costing them a crucial split-second when the shot arrives.
There will also be worries about Ramsdale’s save percentage for Bournemouth and Sheffield United in the last two seasons. He stopped just 68.5 per cent of shots in those campaigns, putting him 19th in the Premier League on this metric.
Such figures are to be viewed with scepticism, though, as they do not take into account the fact that some goalkeepers generally face far more easier shots than others, depending on their side’s defending.
For Arsenal, the journey to Ramsdale started in June last year, in a match against Brighton. Leno was injured that day, and his subsequent absence allowed backup goalkeeper Emiliano Martinez an opportunity to thrive in the remainder of the season.
It was a chance Martinez seized with both hands, performing so well that his days as a second choice were over. Aston Villa made an offer of around £20 million, and Arsenal chose to cash in rather than offering him a new deal and demoting Leno to the role of highly-paid number two.
At the time, this was a move that seemed to suit all parties. But it presented Arsenal with a problem which they have not been able to solve until now. With Martinez gone, they needed another reliable backup goalkeeper. They targeted Brentford’s David Raya, bidding around £10m, and would almost certainly have gone back for the Spaniard if he had not been promoted to the Premier League.
With Raya unavailable, the short-term solution last year was Icelandic goalkeeper Alex Runarsson, who has failed to impress after his £1m move from Dijon. Brighton’s Mat Ryan came in on a loan in January to provide a more trustworthy option, but he was not considered a long-term solution.
All of which eventually led Mikel Arteta and Iñaki Caña, his goalkeeping coach, to Ramsdale, who joined Sheffield United for £18m last summer after a year in the top flight with Bournemouth and loan spells at Chesterfield and Wimbledon.
Ramsdale counts as a “homegrown” player, enjoyed an impressive end to the season last year, despite relegation, and was called into England’s Euros squad following an injury to Dean Henderson.
It says plenty about Sheffield United’s regard for their goalkeeper that they initially demanded £40m. Arsenal talked them down, eventually, but the agreed fee is still enough to raise more than a few eyebrows across the game. In time, the moment will come when Ramsdale must prove these doubters wrong.
Ramsdale's strengths and weaknesses analysed
Excels at close range
Ramsdale has a valuable ability to spread himself, using his full frame to smother shots from close range. “With close range shots, he is unbelievable,” says goalkeeper analyst John Harrison. “Ramsdale has good agility and reflexes.”
#Ramsdale’s strength vs close range 1v1s is down to his lightning fast speed of thought & speed off the line in combination with his wonderful bravery & tidy spread technique.

This save vs #Wolves is a good example

Rambo creates a huge barrier & snuffs out an excellent chance! pic.twitter.com/wyIBBhycwI
— John Harrison (@Jhdharrison1) August 19, 2021
Can struggle when faced with striker
“One of Ramsdale’s weaknesses last year was in long-range one versus ones against a striker,” says Harrison. “Against Manchester United’s Marcus Rashford, for example, he rushed out and halved his reaction time without getting close to the ball. He turned a shot from 20 yards into a shot from eight years, and he could not react in time.”

Problems with his 'arm swing'
Like some other goalkeepers in the Premier League, Ramsdale occasionally throws his arms back behind his body before diving to save a shot. “Your arms can end up behind you and you can lose reaction time,” says Harrison. “If you mistime it, your arms are all over the place.”
Must adapt to a different style of play
Arteta’s approach requires a goalkeeper who is capable of playing short passes out of defence. Ramsdale was attuned to this style at Bournemouth but operated in a totally different system at Sheffield United, where just 16 per cent of his passes were short. Leno, by contrast, played short with 66 per cent of his passes last season.
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Time will show:D No one thought Bruno would reach his level today either, and Odegaard is likely a better player than Bruno was the same age.

Wasn’t unrealistic Odegaard would become a starter in RM within a couple of years, but he wasn’t patient enough.

If a player is a starter in RM he per c is on level with Bruno :)
Definitely not how football works
 

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So Laca, Auba, Willian, and Runarson all positive for Covid. I guess we can stop worrying about Willian starting against us on Sunday.
 

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I don't think a single Arsenal player would start for us.

How is Arteta still in a job.
 

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With the ages & profiles of those signings, I'd say they were doing the opposite of throwing money at a top 4 finish this season.
I don't rate any of these signings. Even considering their potential, I wouldn't want any of them at UTD. It feels like Arsenal want to build a squad for future in the hope that these players will become top class and carry them to top 4 finish every season. Although it is very early, but it feels like waste of money.
 

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If you spend £30 million om Ramsdale - then Edu is one of 2 things:

a) completely clueless about goalkeepers because he signs someone no fans think is good enough
b) a genious about goalkeepers, because he seems something in Ramsdale few of the rest of us sees.

So basically - if Ramsdale turn out to be quality at Arsenal - I owe Edu a big apology.
 

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I don't rate any of these signings. Even considering their potential, I wouldn't want any of them at UTD. It feels like Arsenal want to build a squad for future in the hope that these players will become top class and carry them to top 4 finish every season. Although it is very early, but it feels like waste of money.
Martin O is good - I wouldn't want him at United because we have so many in his position, but he is much better that what Arsenal has. White is also a very good player - I just think he needs a certain kind of defender next to him, and I am not sure he is what Arsenal needs here and now.
 

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The top clubs apparently don't want to sign him now and Real Madrid is willing to let him go. So perhaps things have changed. I don't think he's a bad signing, but he's not a hidden gem exactly. The risk is that everyone else's assessment is correct.
It's a good field to be shopping in, imo.

Bayern had little competition for Robben and IIRC same for Inter and Sneijder.

Bit different, as they were players of obvious talent doing well at lesser clubs, rather than players of obvious talent struggling at big clubs, but Suarez was not a hidden gem when we signed him either, and we still had a free run at him. Torres likewise. And Alonso. And I also recall plenty arguing at the time "if he was any good, there'd be more suitors than just liverpool."

In Odegaard's case, part of his issue is that he's never really been given a chance at Real. Factors like unknown quantity and unsupportive environment play a part here, alongside age and talent. There are clubs who should be fancying themselves to harness that talent a lot more than Real have bothered to do.
 

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The top clubs apparently don't want to sign him now and Real Madrid is willing to let him go. So perhaps things have changed. I don't think he's a bad signing, but he's not a hidden gem exactly. The risk is that everyone else's assessment is correct.
To be fair a lot of people here thought the same about Bruno and he's one of PL's best players right now. Tbh, I don't really rate Odegaard, he certainly wasn't that good for Arsenal in the loan time and looked like a very Arsenal player.
 

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What makes someone like Sancho or Van Der Beek a leader & someone like Odegaard isn't?
Maybe because I didn't say they are leaders, they bring a winning mentality to the club. Sancho won the Cup and was crucial in their CL run, same with Donny at Ajax.

Odegaard doesnt even make Real reserves.
 

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Maybe because I didn't say they are leaders, they bring a winning mentality to the club. Sancho won the Cup and was crucial in their CL run, same with Donny at Ajax.

Odegaard doesnt even make Real reserves.
Jones, Smalling, De Gea were all part of league and cup winning teams, I wouldn't say they bring winning mentality than Bruno who didn't win anything.

Club trophies shouldn't be used to judge individual players quality or their mentality. You can put Ronaldo in stoke city and he won't win a cup, doesn't mean he lacks winning mentality.
 

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Jones, Smalling, De Gea were all part of league and cup winning teams, I wouldn't say they bring winning mentality than Bruno who didn't win anything.

Club trophies shouldn't be used to judge individual players quality or their mentality. You can put Ronaldo in stoke city and he won't win a cup, doesn't mean he lacks winning mentality.
I agree but I have watched Bruno, Sancho speak and play, I can see they have the winning mentality, in their football and the way they speak.

Bruno looks like he is possessed to win, I am not sure how anyone can question that?

In respects to Odegaard, he was at Arsenal back end of last season, I didn't see anything that suggests he is bringing that mentality.

The first game Bruno played, showed me more about his character than the whole back end of last season of Odegaard.
 

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I agree but I have watched Bruno, Sancho speak and play, I can see they have the winning mentality, in their football and the way they speak.

Bruno looks like he is possessed to win, I am not sure how anyone can question that?

In respects to Odegaard, he was at Arsenal back end of last season, I didn't see anything that suggests he is bringing that mentality.

The first game Bruno played, showed me more about his character than the whole back end of last season of Odegaard.
Maybe you were looking for something that isn't there or reading too much on how they act on the pitch to join that to "winning mentality".

Odegaard works hard, plays multiple positions and he has done well whenever he was given chances.
 

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Maybe you were looking for something that isn't there or reading too much on how they act on the pitch to join that to "winning mentality".

Odegaard works hard, plays multiple positions and he has done well whenever he was given chances.
Where have I said winning mentality = performances on the pitch?

Odegaard is a good player, he will be good for Arsenal but that doesn't mean he has the winning mentality.
 

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Where have I said winning mentality = performances on the pitch?

Odegaard is a good player, he will be good for Arsenal but that doesn't mean he has the winning mentality.
What is that mentality?

When the player is asked about winning games, player comes up with "I want to win every game" that's the one?
 

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What is that mentality?

When the player is asked about winning games, player comes up with "I want to win every game" that's the one?
Well, If you dont know, then I am not here sitting explaining it to you.

Some have it some dont.
 

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Yeah, ManUtd players have it, Arsenal don't.
One Arsenal player.

18 months ago, we didn't have it.

Again putting words in my mouth, where have I said no Arsenal player has it?

If I was to judge Arsenal players, I would say Tierney definitely has something like that about him, but lets see as I see Smith Rowe and Saka developing it too.
 

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One Arsenal player.

18 months ago, we didn't have it.

Again putting words in my mouth, where have I said no Arsenal player has it?

If I was to judge Arsenal players, I would say Tierney definitely has something like that about him, but lets see as I see Smith Rowe and Saka developing it too.
So you are saying only Bruno and Sancho has that "winning mentality" in our squad? That's the change from last 18 months.
 

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Where have I said winning mentality = performances on the pitch?

Odegaard is a good player, he will be good for Arsenal but that doesn't mean he has the winning mentality.
Ask most Norwegians about Odegaard's mentality. The lad has been fast tracked for stardom since he was barely a teenager. He's been promoted through the age groups & made his Norway debut at 15. He's had a nations hopes put on him at that age. He's now captain at 22.

He's been on loan to a few different clubs in different leagues & became the creative hub in each 1. I watched him come into a tough league mid way through a season when he had hardly played for 6 months, & after a few games you could see he was demanding the ball, basically becoming the focal point for the attack. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he was great every game, but whet impressed me most at times was his mentality for a loan player in a new team.

I'd suggest he was much more Bruno in terms of leadership / winning mentality than what Sancho & VdB is.
 

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So you are saying only Bruno and Sancho has that "winning mentality" in our squad? That's the change from last 18 months.
No since Ole took over, if you have paid any attention to anything he says, he has spoken many times about bringing the right personality.

Maguire, Bruno, Sancho, Cavani then it helps the likes of Rashford, Shaw, McTominay develop into this.
 

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Ask most Norwegians about Odegaard's mentality. The lad has been fast tracked for stardom since he was barely a teenager. He's been promoted through the age groups & made his Norway debut at 15. He's had a nations hopes put on him at that age. He's now captain at 22.

He's been on loan to a few different clubs in different leagues & became the creative hub in each 1. I watched him come into a tough league mid way through a season when he had hardly played for 6 months, & after a few games you could see he was demanding the ball, basically becoming the focal point for the attack. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he was great every game, but whet impressed me most at times was his mentality for a loan player in a new team.

I'd suggest he was much more Bruno in terms of leadership / winning mentality than what Sancho & VdB is.
Fair enough, maybe as a signing he will have a different mentality. I wouldn't say Sancho & VdB are leaders as of yet, what I know is they do want to win.

Look at our squad 2 years ago.. we were toothless no leaders. We signed Maguire, Bruno and others who brought some kind of steele to our team, which now you see has more leaders develop.

My question would be, will Odegaard demand more of Auby? or Lacca? Like when bruno came in he started demanding from these players?
 
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