What do you expect from a football professor?
Arturo Vidal
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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IN current form Fletch would be the first on the team sheet tbh. It would probably be him alongside Vidal at this stage. As Pogue also mentioned.
Vidal hasn't had a proper preseason yet.
If we do sign him, I expect him for a few weeks to be on the bench and get used to our system.
I'm not not trusting van Gaal and yes those players did not play as much as in the past but the experience they give is vital Vidic was a rock when it really mastered and Evra although overplayed and prone to positional errors really came good against the likes of Bayern. Obviously players retire leave etc but to lose four in one go is not a positive. Yes I am aware of van Gaals past and as recently as a few weeks back you can see that he gets results from lesser teams.
I still think he will need a more experienced CB and a better midfielder to partner Herrera as when the season gets into full swing with high pressure games against the likes of City coming thick and fast we will need some strong characters in the changing room.
I'd expect us to move swiftly to 4-3-3
Any reason?
I agree with the last bit, but I think some players will step up this season, Rooney already did it last season and I'm expecting Evans, Jones and van Persie do the same. Vidal would obviously be such a player you are describing.
Two sides of Fletch tonight the LvG improved player spraying the ball around with pin point accuracy and the Fletcher of old dallying on the ball and miss hitting passes with regularity.
For me both him and Carrick should be no more than squad players, trusted back up but we must surely be aiming for better in the first eleven.
Cleverley, Anderson and Fellaini are pretty useless so this area must be strengthened whether that's a Vidal, Strootman or whoever there are surely better players out there.
I'm glad someone has some sense. A load of numpties have been saying "no way it will work, both too attacking" or "waste of money asking one of them to curb their attacking instincts to be a defensive midfielder".
I don't think people realise just how much of an advantage it would be to have two midfielders who are both top draw in both attack and defense. Get them working in unison and it'll be bloody beautiful.
Agreed!
You said you are not trusting van Gaal, I was asking for a reason.
I agree completely that the club wouldn't want to and shouldn't have to quash every rumour. But as you said this has been on going and if there is no interest then I think the club would benefit from stopping the rumour, maybe it's a bit late now but had they acted quicker (assuming we're not trying) then it stops fans building expectations because even if the club were never in for him there will be plenty of people both fans and not fans who will believe they were and will look at it as another failure by the club/Woodward. Given our recent track record I would think the club and particularly Woodward would want to control fans expectations a lot more.
I personally wouldn't see the logic in not dismissing it if we weren't trying for it. I don't think we should have to for every single rumor but when they reach this level I don't see how it serves us. Plus tbh I don't read in to the "smokescreens". I think there are too many people connected to each other for transfers to really be completed in secret by those who's business it is to know these things. Plus we seem to be the only club who deals in smokescreens, don't really hear it about other clubs.
No I said I'm not, not trusting him in relation to you saying not trusting youth or the manager. Sorry bad Grammar or something.
Yes I'm well behind him and excited, just think he'd be shooting himself in the foot if he does not get another midfielder and CB especially with Carrick out for 3 months.
They both have great defensive and attacking capabilities, don't know how anyone could say different!
Are you still confident Vidal will be ours mate?
2000 to go team!
That's part of what I was trying to get at, for me it would be a poor move from the club not to quash this rumor if there wasn't any substance based on previous history. Whether that means it can be completed or not is a different matter as we might be keeping things quiet to try to get the price down, I would think we'd have already agreed personal terms with him but as I said if we're not interested then our silence is not wise imo.
Agreed - intelligence and ability and it will be great.
Hugely confident mate. He's a United player, just a matter of time.
Spot on. Welcome Arturo.
I thought you had some inside info or something?, thats what you made it sound like recently.
Nope. Never claimed anything of the sort.
not going to happen until we break the thread record woody is watching the thread and until we break it its not happening.
You said it was the biggest foregone conclusion in football the other day, do you still stand by that?
You know when Woody said he reads social media, do you think he reads this forum?. I would find it hard to believe Woody and a fair few other at the club don't read the best Utd forum on the net, it makes you wonder what he's thinking when he reads threads like this knowing that he's going to get a lot of shite if we don't get Vidal or at least 1 big name player.
It's a symptom of Makeleleism, ever since he was a pivoital cog for Real Madrid and then Chelsea people think you have to play with a DM that basically sits in front of the back 4 all game, the idea of 2 box to box CM's working as a cohesive duo seems extinct, hopefully LvG can bring it back.
Yeah, sure.
, i hope you're right man, i hope you're right.Exactly, I've been drooling over the possibility of this and the thing that keeps replaying in my head is a forward loses the ball while Herrera is in attack, Vidal stands his ground at the half way line (because they take turns in attack) and Herrera being the machine he is chases down his man winning a brilliant tackle, tired from his run he picks out Vidal and Vidal charges up the field!
(Me too)
I would be amazed if its not in someones remit to keep an eye on whats being said on forums etc
Considering how much I blow Woodwards trumpet around this forum (oi oi), I'd be surprised if he doesn't return the favour and gift me Vidal back.
Top bloke.
Top bloke.
I can guarantee you that he will have people monitoring this forum and I wouldn't be surprised if he has a quick look on his lunch breaks or whatever. I used to work for one of the worlds biggest music companies and we'd constantly monitor forums and tweets ranging from hashtags to even knowing about regular posters on certain forums.
It's regular modern business practise if you are in the public eye. If this is in fact the biggest and best united forum it's guaranteed it's monitored.
It's regular modern business practise if you are in the public eye. If this is in fact the biggest and best united forum it's guaranteed it's monitored.
Pshh...monitoring. There are [probably] several club employees already posting here.
I remember years ago on Talking Reds some guy used to pretend to be Ruud Van Nistelrooy and people always mocked him. Then he made a thread saying ''I'm off'' and a few weeks later Ruud actually left. Which is quite funny.
Yeah I mean what better way is there to monitor fans reactions and keep them at an arms length? By reading these forums.
I've often wondered if we have any United staff or players as members. You have to remember alot of them are fans like us, they want to be part of the hype. It's not crazy to think so.
Yep, probably the few posters who always say we are spoiled if we actually want one of the biggest clubs in the world to actually act like it for once in the transfer market.
Why would a 'real' fan say stuff like that?.
Yeah, there probably are aren't there Raoul.....
I'd do it if I was a player.
What makes you so confident? There's nothing out there to suggest it's inevitable. I bloody hope it happens though, could potentially be our best/most needed buy ever.
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