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"It is understood the man arrested this morning knew the other man who is still in custody in Tullamore Garda Station but is not related to him."
Ashling Murphy murder
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"It is understood the man arrested this morning knew the other man who is still in custody in Tullamore Garda Station but is not related to him."
Ah OK. No idea then.
Relatively open and shut so. The police knew who it was within a day. Whoever did it wasn’t trying to cover their tracks for whatever reason. It’ll be interesting to hear what comes out. Poor family.
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Gonna be a rough time in Cloverhill for this guy
Mob outside the court doesn’t look good for Tullamore. Almost to a person, everyone with their phone out, recording. And making life difficult for the gardaí as they were bringing the suspect out of court.
Oh wow. Mad scenes
Jesus that's a weird video.
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I think we can safely say that’s going swimmingly going by those scenes in Tullamore.
Good luck with that.
You can say that again.
Credit to the reasonable people of Tullamore who stayed at home, didn't feel the need to obstruct the work of the Gardai, and didn't become part of a baying mob.
I think it’s quite clear emotions are running high and they want to display their disgust at what happened, don’t see much wrong with it to be honest.
So dystopian. All the phones. The world is fecked.
I’d estimate that maybe 10% of reporters have the vaguest idea why they say that.
That’s the weird bit. You can sort of let slide the very ostentatious displays of solidarity all over the country, as that’s at least an outburst of positive emotions. The need to document and share your anger and hatred is a different buzz altogether.
I don’t know who makes up the crowd but for the vast majority, it just looks like pageantry.
Precisely. I use too many words all the time. It’s a curse
Christ. Who are you telling? I had to watch the life drain out of a dozen people’s eyes the other day on a work call as I prattled on.Precisely. I use too many words all the time. It’s a curse
Why it’s just human nature to want to be seen to be doing something rather than sitting on your arse. I’ve seen it a few times outside courts it’s not a strange occurrence.
I say they’re there for genuine reason, probably friends of Ashling so they’d most likely be early 20’s and it is a phone culture nowadays.
Doing something? What exactly? Making life harder for the Gardaí? Making a judge see that it'll be impossible for the charged man to get a fair trial? Show off to people about how much "you care"?
My instagram and facebook feeds were full (Shared mostly. Not necessarily people I know directly) of people who were in there last night and the ones I know or know of weren't friends of Ashlings.
It's rubber necking/pitch fork mob culture, with a modern twist of 'I better put this on my story'. These people clearly have very little self control, in one of the videos the lad is trying to swing a dig at the accused as he's brought out to the van. You may say it's 'normal', but that's only because of the amount of gobshites that exist in our society today.
I’ve seen it before with the Greysteel massacre and the Jonathan Cairns murder case I’m not going to get on my high horse and tell people how they should feel and behave in times of severe anger.
If it’s human nature its a very bad part of human nature. People used to turn up in crowds for stonings and at the gallows. For a while it looked like we’d move on from that crap but these scenes seem like a backwards step.
I think the point you're failing to realise is that most of the people there probably didn't even know her and are just there to posture and by the looks of the videos, take photos and videos on their phone so they can brag on social media.
It starts to become really weird for me. It's very sad and horrible to think, but I do not know the victim at all, I have no personal attachment to them. I do have a personal attachment to wanting increased safety for women and I'll put my energy into that. These people aren't doing it for Ashling Murphy, they're doing it to be a part of the event and the moment, as brutal and horrible as that is. It's a very disturbing part of social media that I sympathise a little with some people for as at times you don't realise you're being swept up into it. When everyone around you is sharing and repeatedly posting about something then it's easy to get involved without knowing everything / using a wee bit of brain power to step back and think about what you're doing before you click share or go to one of these mob culture 'events'.
Many people in the thread are advocating the guy gets done in when he gets to Mountjoy but you take exception to a crowd hurling abuse at him for murdering their friend?
That’s just an assumption and could be a million miles from the truth for all you know.
Rex literally said above that there were a few he knew of that were not her friend yet part of the mob.
I’m sure Tullamore isn’t that big even if they are not first contact friend, it is still a local and they’d feel anger for it.
I have no idea why you think a few comments on redcafe are relevant to my opinion on the scenes in that video.
Unless you’re implying it would be better that the mob vent their anger online, instead of making life difficult for the guards in person? In which case, I agree.
It wouldn't be like Deery to make completely unsubstantiated claims in this thread.
I'm from just out the road. It's local to us all. It's shocked the whole community. We all feel anger. So does the whole country.
Maybe some of Ashling's friends were there. Who knows? But I'd be pretty sure, from the videos I've seen, that the majority didn't know her and were posturing.
"Let him out to us here". "Let him out to the women". "Let him out to the people of Tullamore", being shouted in anger is exactly that. Posturing. With phone in hand so everyone can know how much they "care". They know he won't be "Let out" to them.
Swinging a punch at him that could just as easily have hit the Garda that was escorting him out. Hero.
It is weird though. Are they going to say to their friends 'I didn't sit on my arse, I got three seconds of jerky video footage of the suspect in a van'? It's not a solidarity march or anti-violence protest, it's rubber-necking.
Yeah, that’s the point I made above. This desperate need to be “part of the event” can involve more positive emotions. Which we saw with all the vigils. That does no harm and might even do some good (although I remember arguing that the Sarah Everard vigils did cause some harm, as they were happening mid-lockdown).
But when that same desire to be seen to be involved translates into angry mobs making life difficult for the police, then everyone who was there needs to take a long hard look at themselves.
I do find it very strange, in general, this need to view everything through a tiny screen when you're actually there experiencing the thing for yourself.
I'll never get my head around large groups of people all recording the same thing and recording each other recording. It also adds a performative element to everything which I find distasteful at the best of times.
Actually thinking about it, maybe I shouldn't knock people for it. I do remember going to try and have a nosey when a helicopter crashed near work a few years back- sirens everywhere and I saw it on the news, so went to see but couldn't get near it, got bored and drifted back to the office wondering what I was doing.
Rubber necking is an understandable impulse. What bothers me is the evidently increased desire to get involved that comes from filming and sharing your involvement. Although I’m conscious this is yet another old man shouting at clouds topic.
I know how you feel... but the clouds are wrong, dammit.
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