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Auction Draft Chaos - Complete

Pat_Mustard

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A never-nude? I thought he just liked cut-offs.
Enigma_87 said:
Nope, QF only. Got unlucky facing Lord Sinister with Maradona, Messi, Beckenbauer etc..

Just saw that Tuppet rigged the SF draw to miss out on LS :lol:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/dominoes-draft.433182/page-66#post-21734270
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:lol: I was looking for a post to show that we'd discussed allowing eliminated semi-finalists to vote in the other semi final after @2mufc0 raised the point yesterday, and came across this cracker from Tuppet:

harms said:
If I win (a big if, granted) I would influence my opponent. It's the second semi-final where the loser of the first can vote.
Not that any of us are going to really use strategic voting anyway, of course.
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Tuppet said:
I don't mind you voting in the game at all. We gotta trust that no one is actually doing strategic voting thing, or this is all fecked anyway.
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https://www.redcafe.net/threads/reality-monopoly-draft-sf-2mufc0-vs-tuppet.431016/#post-21237934

He'd voted for himself three times in that match FFS :lol:
 

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07/Feb - 13:13 - O. Ardiles - Sjor Mustard - 20m
07/Feb - 13:27 - Branco - GSTQ - 30m
07/Feb - 13:33 - Pique - P-Nut - 20m
07/Feb - 14:08 - C.Taffarel - Don Enigma - 20m
07/Feb - 14:24 - Eusebio - Arbitrium - 140m
07/Feb - 14:31 - Lucio - WillshHiman - 30m
07/Feb - 15:19 - Van Basten - P-Nut - 130m
07/Feb - 16:35 - Peruzzi - Moby - 20m
07/Feb - 16:39 - Just Fontaine - Moby - 30m
07/Feb - 16:43 - Paolo Montero - Moby - 30m
07/Feb - 17:09 - Cafu - Andevatic - 70m
07/Feb - 17:40 - Di Stefano - Jim Beam - 140m
07/Feb - 18:16 - Netto - MJJ - 30m
07/Feb - 18:17 - E. Ocwirk - Arbitrium - 30m
07/Feb - 18:32 - M. Silva - Don Enigma - 20m
07/Feb - 18:42 - S. Matthews - EAP - 70m
07/Feb - 18:51 - Zito - 2muGio - 40m
07/Feb - 20:02 - O.Ruggeri - Physio - 50m
07/Feb - 21:23 - Santamaria - 2muGio - 50m
07/Feb - 22:35 - Jan Oblak - P-Nut - 20m
07/Feb - 22:35 - Thiabut Courtois - P-Nut - 20m
07/Feb - 00:40 - David Silva - Arbitrium - 30m
08/Feb - 02:05 - R. Maspoli - EAP - 20m
08/Feb - 05:17 - F. Baresi - GSTQ - 120m
08/Feb - 05:30 - E. Hazard - WillshHiman - 20m
08/Feb - 08:32 - T. Ravelli - GSTQ - 20m
 

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07/Feb - 13:13 - O. Ardiles - Sjor Mustard - 20m
07/Feb - 13:27 - Branco - GSTQ - 30m
07/Feb - 13:33 - Pique - P-Nut - 20m
07/Feb - 14:08 - C.Taffarel - Don Enigma - 20m
07/Feb - 14:24 - Eusebio - Arbitrium - 140m
07/Feb - 14:31 - Lucio - WillshHiman - 30m
07/Feb - 15:19 - Van Basten - P-Nut - 130m
07/Feb - 16:35 - Peruzzi - Moby - 20m
07/Feb - 16:39 - Just Fontaine - Moby - 30m
07/Feb - 16:43 - Paolo Montero - Moby - 30m
07/Feb - 17:09 - Cafu - Andevatic - 70m
07/Feb - 17:40 - Di Stefano - Jim Beam - 140m
07/Feb - 18:16 - Netto - MJJ - 30m
07/Feb - 18:17 - E. Ocwirk - Arbitrium - 30m
07/Feb - 18:32 - M. Silva - Don Enigma - 20m
07/Feb - 18:42 - S. Matthews - EAP - 70m
07/Feb - 18:51 - Zito - 2muGio - 40m
07/Feb - 20:02 - O.Ruggeri - Physio - 50m
07/Feb - 21:23 - Santamaria - 2muGio - 50m
07/Feb - 22:35 - Jan Oblak - P-Nut - 20m
07/Feb - 22:35 - Thiabut Courtois - P-Nut - 20m
07/Feb - 00:40 - David Silva - Arbitrium - 30m
08/Feb - 02:05 - R. Maspoli - EAP - 20m
08/Feb - 05:17 - F. Baresi - GSTQ - 120m
08/Feb - 05:30 - E. Hazard - WillshHiman - 20m
08/Feb - 08:32 - T. Ravelli - GSTQ - 20m
07/Feb - 09:22 - Toldo - 2muGio - 20m
 

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2mufc0 said:
7/Feb - 13:13 - O. Ardiles - Sjor Mustard - 20m
07/Feb - 13:27 - Branco - GSTQ - 30m
07/Feb - 13:33 - Pique - P-Nut - 20m
07/Feb - 14:08 - C.Taffarel - Don Enigma - 20m
07/Feb - 14:24 - Eusebio - Arbitrium - 140m
07/Feb - 14:31 - Lucio - WillshHiman - 30m
07/Feb - 15:19 - Van Basten - P-Nut - 130m
07/Feb - 16:35 - Peruzzi - Moby - 20m
07/Feb - 16:39 - Just Fontaine - Moby - 30m
07/Feb - 16:43 - Paolo Montero - Moby - 30m
07/Feb - 17:09 - Cafu - Andevatic - 70m
07/Feb - 17:40 - Di Stefano - Jim Beam - 140m
07/Feb - 18:16 - Netto - MJJ - 30m
07/Feb - 18:17 - E. Ocwirk - Arbitrium - 30m
07/Feb - 18:32 - M. Silva - Don Enigma - 20m
07/Feb - 18:42 - S. Matthews - EAP - 70m
07/Feb - 18:51 - Zito - 2muGio - 40m
07/Feb - 20:02 - O.Ruggeri - Physio - 50m
07/Feb - 21:23 - Santamaria - 2muGio - 50m
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All this are sold, right?
 

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07/Feb - 22:35 - Jan Oblak - P-Nut - 20m
07/Feb - 22:35 - Thiabut Courtois - P-Nut - 20m
07/Feb - 00:40 - David Silva - Arbitrium - 30m
08/Feb - 05:17 - F. Baresi - GSTQ - 120m
08/Feb - 05:30 - E. Hazard - WillshHiman - 20m
08/Feb - 08:32 - T. Ravelli - GSTQ - 20m
07/Feb - 09:22 - Toldo - 2muGio - 20m
 

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Pat_Mustard said:
:lol: I was looking for a post to show that we'd discussed allowing eliminated semi-finalists to vote in the other semi final after @2mufc0 raised the point yesterday, and came across this cracker from Tuppet:





https://www.redcafe.net/threads/reality-monopoly-draft-sf-2mufc0-vs-tuppet.431016/#post-21237934

He'd voted for himself three times in that match FFS :lol:
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I'm sure if we dig in we will find plenty to laugh about. But the am I doing this right with Charly acc is gold. :lol:
2mufc0 said:
:lol: it's like he had a dual personality
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That's putting it mildly. It's several in there not dual. :lol:
 

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07/Feb - 18:32 - M. Silva - Don Enigma - 20m

surprised we got him unchallenged. Peanuts for him :drool:
 

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07/Feb - 22:35 - Jan Oblak - P-Nut - 20m
07/Feb - 22:35 - Thiabut Courtois - P-Nut - 20m
07/Feb - 00:40 - David Silva - Arbitrium - 30m
08/Feb - 05:17 - F. Baresi - GSTQ - 120m
08/Feb - 05:30 - E. Hazard - WillshHiman - 20m
08/Feb - 08:32 - T. Ravelli - GSTQ - 20m
08/Feb - 09:22 - Toldo - 2muGio - 20m
08/Feb - 09:58 - B. Charlton - EAP - 100m
 

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07/Feb - 22:35 - Jan Oblak - P-Nut - 20m
07/Feb - 22:35 - Thiabut Courtois - P-Nut - 20m
07/Feb - 00:40 - David Silva - Arbitrium - 30m
08/Feb - 05:17 - F. Baresi - GSTQ - 120m
08/Feb - 05:30 - E. Hazard - WillshHiman - 20m
08/Feb - 08:32 - T. Ravelli - GSTQ - 20m
08/Feb - 09:22 - Toldo - 2muGio - 20m
08/Feb - 09:58 - B. Charlton - EAP - 100m
08/Feb - 10:05 - R. Kopa - Physio - 70m
 

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1) Willhse/Himannv - 1) Garrincha (100m) 2) B. Robson (90m) 3) R. Giggs (70m) 4) O. Varela (60m) 5) Romario (120m) 6) R. Pavoni (30m) 7) HG Schwarzenbeck (40m) 8) M. Laudrup (70m) 9) D. McGrain (30m) 10) J. van Beveren (20m) 11) D. Alaba (20m) 12. Lucio (30m)

2) Michaelf - 1) J. Abbadie (20m) 2) R. Benetti (40M) 3) G. Scirea (120m) 4) G. Facchetti (80m) 5) C. Gentile (50m) 6) M. Tardelli (70m) 7) Careca (30m) 8) N. Liedholm (40m) 9) T. Burgnich (50m) 10) A. Spencer (30m) 11) J.A. Schiaffino (50m) 12) M. Desailly (90m) 13) I. Casillas (30m)

3) MJJ - 1) L. Matthaus (120m) 2) Pele (150m) 3) M. Sammer (80m) 4) H. Stoichkov (70m) 5) A. Demyanenko (30m) 5) R. Ayala (30m) 6) K-H Rummenigge (80m) 7) M. Preud’homme (20m) 8) C. Panucci (30m) 9) S. Lerby (20m) 10) B. Wright (20m) 11) A. Kopke (20m) 12) B. Hulshoff (20m) 13. Netto (30m)

4) Jim Beam - 1) P. Nedved (90m) 2) Zico (110m) 3) B. Conti (70m) 4) Míchel (30m) 5) V. Voronin (70m) 6) I. Netto (40m) 7) B. Schweinsteiger (70m) 8) H.V. Breukelen (20m) 9) S. Eto'o (50m) 10) Y. Rudakov (20m) 11) P. Elkjaer (70m) 12) Bessonov (30m) 13) A. Di Stefano (130m) 14) M. Tresor + 40m 15.

5) Sjor Mustard - 1) R. Gullit (90m) 2) G. Best (120m) 3) G. Souness (70M) 4) G. Bergomi (70m) 5) G. Hoddle (20m) 6) R. Hellstrom (30m) 7) T. Henry (100m) 8) P. Mcgrath (70m) 9) A. Chivadze (20m) 10) K. Sansom (20m) 11) T. Nkono (20m) 12) T. Cerezo (50m) 13) O. Ardiles (20m)

6) P - Nut - 1) J. Neeskens (90m) 2) M. Van Basten (120m) 3) F. Redondo (80m) 4) X. Alonso (50m) 5) C. Azpiliceuta (20m) 5) G. Rivera (50m) 6) Maicon (40M) 7) L. Kubala (70m) 8) Ronaldinho (110m) 9) N. Kante (20m) + 30m Cash 10) R. Varane (20m) 11) E. Hughes (30m) 12. Pique (20m) 13. Van Basten (130m) 14. J. Oblak (20m) 14. T. Courtois (20m)

7) Moby: 1) F. Puskas (100m) 2) J. Bozsik (60m) 3) Carlos Alberto (70m) 4) M. Platini (120m) 5) Masopust 70m 6) N. Santos (70m) 7. V. Vasovic (50m) 8. M. Essien (30m) 9. Peruzzi (20m) 10. J. Fontaine (30m) 11. P. Montero (30m)

8) Don/Enigma: 1) J. Cruyff (130m) 2) Xavi (90m) 3) E. Figueroa (120m) 4) H. Chumpitaz (70m) 5) N. Gonclaves (30m) 6) Junior (30m) 6) D. Bertoni (20m) 7) Rivaldo (70m) 8) R. Clemence (20m) 9) Leandro (20m) 10) A. Iniesta (70m) 11) E. Abidal (20m) 12) C.Taffarel (20m) 13. M. Silva (20m)

9) Arbitrium: 1) P. Pogba (60m) 2) L. Messi (170m) 3) L. Ronaldo (160m) 4) J. Alba (20m) 5. M. Carrick (20m) 6. Dani Alves (50m) 7. D. Godin (50m) 8. W. Samuel (20m) 9. M.Coluna (60m) 10. Neymar (50m) 11. Sergio Ramos (20m) 12. V.Valdes (20m) 13. Eusebio 140m 14. Ocwirk (30m)

10) 2mufc/Gio: 1) F. Beckenbauer (130m) 2) Maradona (150m) 3) HP Briegel (30m) 4) G. Muller (100m) 5) G. Lato (30m) 6) J. Heynckes (20m) 7. Zito (20m) 8. Santamaria (50m)

11) Zlatan7: 1) Rivelino (90m) 2) Ronaldinho (120m) 3) F. Rijkaard (170m) 4) R. Baggio (70m) 5) A. Robben (50m) 6) S. Busquets (30m) 7) Socrates (70m) 8) G Zambrotta (30m) 9) C. Azpiliceuta (20m) + 90m cash 10) W. Suurbier (30m) 11) G. Chiellini (20m) 12) C. Puyol (30m) 13) G. Pagliuca 14) A. Costacurta (50m)

12) Ecstatic/Andeva: 1) Figo (80m) 1) C. Ronaldo (130m) 2) F. Baresi (140m) 3) Kaka (70m) 4) Uwe Seeler (80m) 5) P. Vieira (70m) 6) Junior (30m) 7) JP Sorin (20m) 8) A. Hansen (40m) 9) L. Fernandez (20m) 10) E. Leao (20m) 11. cafu (70m)

13) EAP : 1) D. Law (90m) 2) P. Gento (90m) 3) J. Kohler (80m) 4) A. Benarrivo (30m) 5) A. Picchi (50m) 6) W. Sagnol (30m) 7) D. Blanchflower (30m) 8) D. Mackay (20m) 9) A. Carrizo (30m) 10) N. Stiles (30m) 11. S. Matthews (70m)

14) Skizzo : 1) R. Keane (80m) 2) C. Makelele (50m) 3) L. Figo (80m) 4) G. Nordahl (30m) 5) R. Krol (90m) 6) V. Mazzola (30m) 7) G. Buchwald (30m) 8) O. Blokhin (60m) 9) P. Maldini (120m) 10) W. Rooney (30m) 11) M. Overmars (30m) 12) W. Zenga (30m) 13) J. Greaves (30m)

15) Physiocrat : 1) P. Breitner (110m) 2) T. Finney (70m) 3) A. Brehme (80m) 4) Overath (30m) 5) L. Riva (70m) 6) D. Irwin (30m) 7) Uli Stielike (50m) 8) J.L. Chilavert (30m) 9) W. Schultz (40m) 10) O. Ruggeri (50m)

16) GSTQ 1) N. Kante (20m) 2) S. Lerby (20m) 3) M. Kaltz (40m) 4)M. Tresor (60m) 5) I. Viktor (20m) 6) R. Bonhof (30m) 7) G. Rivera (50m) 8) L. Ronaldo (150m) 9) J. Tigana (60m) 10. Branco - 30m 11. Zico (100m) 12.
 
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07/Feb - 22:35 - Jan Oblak - P-Nut - 20m
07/Feb - 22:35 - Thiabut Courtois - P-Nut - 20m
07/Feb - 00:40 - David Silva - Arbitrium - 30m
08/Feb - 05:17 - F. Baresi - GSTQ - 120m
08/Feb - 05:30 - E. Hazard - WillshHiman - 20m
08/Feb - 08:32 - T. Ravelli - GSTQ - 20m
08/Feb - 09:22 - Toldo - 2muGio - 20m
08/Feb - 09:58 - B. Charlton - EAP - 100m
08/Feb - 10:05 - R. Kopa - Physio - 70m
08/Feb - 10:46 - Vidal - 2muGio - 20m
08/Feb - 10:46 - Djalma - 2muGio - 70m
 

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07/Feb - 00:40 - David Silva - Arbitrium - 30m
08/Feb - 05:17 - F. Baresi - GSTQ - 120m
08/Feb - 05:30 - E. Hazard - WillshHiman - 20m
08/Feb - 08:32 - T. Ravelli - GSTQ - 20m
08/Feb - 09:22 - Toldo - 2muGio - 20m
08/Feb - 09:58 - B. Charlton - EAP - 100m
08/Feb - 10:05 - R. Kopa - Physio - 70m
08/Feb - 10:46 - Vidal - 2muGio - 20m
08/Feb - 10:46 - Djalma - 2muGio - 70m
 

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07/Feb - 00:40 - David Silva - Arbitrium - 30m
08/Feb - 05:17 - F. Baresi - GSTQ - 120m
08/Feb - 05:30 - E. Hazard - WillshHiman - 20m
08/Feb - 08:32 - T. Ravelli - GSTQ - 20m
08/Feb - 09:22 - Toldo - 2muGio - 20m
08/Feb - 09:58 - B. Charlton - EAP - 100m
08/Feb - 10:05 - R. Kopa - Physio - 70m
08/Feb - 10:46 - Vidal - 2muGio - 20m
08/Feb - 10:46 - Djalma - 2muGio - 70m
08/Feb - 10:55 - Khurtsilava - Moby - 20m
08/Feb - 10:55 - Antonio Roma - Moby - 20m
 

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07/Feb - 00:40 - David Silva - Arbitrium - 30m
08/Feb - 05:17 - F. Baresi - GSTQ - 120m
08/Feb - 05:30 - E. Hazard - WillshHiman - 20m
08/Feb - 08:32 - T. Ravelli - GSTQ - 20m
08/Feb - 09:22 - Toldo - 2muGio - 20m
08/Feb - 09:58 - B. Charlton - EAP - 100m
08/Feb - 10:05 - R. Kopa - Physio - 70m
08/Feb - 10:46 - Vidal - 2muGio - 20m
08/Feb - 10:46 - Djalma - 2muGio - 70m
08/Feb - 10:55 - Khurtsilava - Moby - 20m
08/Feb - 10:55 - Antonio Roma - Moby - 20m
08/Feb - 11:18- R. Ferri - GSTQ - 30m
08/Feb - 11:18- C. Ferrara - GSTQ - 50m
 

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07/Feb - 00:40 - David Silva - Arbitrium - 30m
08/Feb - 05:17 - F. Baresi - GSTQ - 120m
08/Feb - 05:30 - E. Hazard - WillshHiman - 20m
08/Feb - 08:32 - T. Ravelli - GSTQ - 20m
08/Feb - 09:22 - Toldo - 2muGio - 20m
08/Feb - 09:58 - B. Charlton - EAP - 100m
08/Feb - 10:05 - R. Kopa - Physio - 70m
08/Feb - 10:46 - Vidal - 2muGio - 20m
08/Feb - 10:46 - Djalma - 2muGio - 70m
08/Feb - 10:55 - Khurtsilava - Moby - 20m
08/Feb - 10:55 - Antonio Roma - Moby - 20m
08/Feb - 11:18- R. Ferri - GSTQ - 30m
08/Feb - 11:18- C. Ferrara - GSTQ - 50m
08/Feb - 11:30 - Roberto Carlos Andevatic - 70m
08/Feb - 11:34 - Rafael Gordillo - Jim Beam - 20m
 

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BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
David Silva .. £30m?! Amazed no more bids.
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Obviously there’s the argument that he’s city’s best ever player and that will skew opinion even subconsciously on him simply by association, but for me he’s a top 5 player in the history of the premier league. For these drafts and imagining players at their peak and what they can bring (i.e. what does a 10/10 performance look like) then his skill set puts him right up there. When he turns up and puts in a MOTM display he’s completely unplayable, and he’s done it against top opposition too. Wonderful player, was excellent at Valencia in the more LW role but has absolutely excelled in that LCM role.
 

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@2mufc0 and @Gio team is frightening. If they get Djalma, then they’ll have 4 GOAT for their respective positions.
 

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07/Feb - 00:40 - David Silva - Arbitrium - 30m
08/Feb - 05:17 - F. Baresi - GSTQ - 120m
08/Feb - 05:30 - E. Hazard - WillshHiman - 20m
08/Feb - 08:32 - T. Ravelli - GSTQ - 20m
08/Feb - 09:22 - Toldo - 2muGio - 20m
08/Feb - 09:58 - B. Charlton - EAP - 100m
08/Feb - 10:05 - R. Kopa - Physio - 70m
08/Feb - 10:46 - Vidal - 2muGio - 20m
08/Feb - 10:46 - Djalma - 2muGio - 70m
08/Feb - 10:55 - Khurtsilava - Moby - 20m
08/Feb - 10:55 - Antonio Roma - Moby - 20m
08/Feb - 11:18- R. Ferri - GSTQ - 30m
08/Feb - 11:18- C. Ferrara - GSTQ - 50m
08/Feb - 11:30 - Roberto Carlos Andevatic - 70m
08/Feb - 11:34 - Rafael Gordillo - Jim Beam - 20m
08/Feb - 12:33 - M. Senna - Physio - 20m
 

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07/Feb - 00:40 - David Silva - Arbitrium - 30m
08/Feb - 05:17 - F. Baresi - GSTQ - 120m
08/Feb - 05:30 - E. Hazard - WillshHiman - 20m
08/Feb - 08:32 - T. Ravelli - GSTQ - 20m
08/Feb - 09:22 - Toldo - 2muGio - 20m
08/Feb - 09:58 - B. Charlton - EAP - 100m
08/Feb - 10:05 - R. Kopa - Physio - 70m
08/Feb - 10:46 - Vidal - 2muGio - 20m
08/Feb - 10:46 - Djalma - 2muGio - 70m
08/Feb - 10:55 - Khurtsilava - Moby - 20m
08/Feb - 10:55 - Antonio Roma - Moby - 20m
08/Feb - 11:18- R. Ferri - GSTQ - 30m
08/Feb - 11:18- C. Ferrara - GSTQ - 50m
08/Feb - 11:30 - Roberto Carlos Andevatic - 70m
08/Feb - 11:34 - Rafael Gordillo - Jim Beam - 20m
08/Feb - 12:33 - M. Senna - Physio - 20m
08/Feb - 01:29 - K. Mbappe - GSTQ - 20m
 
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