Auction Draft QF : EAP vs. Don Alfredo/Enigma

Who will win this match


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Edgar Allan Pillow vs.—————————————————————- Don Alfredo/ Enigma

Vs.


Tactics Edgar Allan Pillow

Formation: 4-2-3-1

Tactics: Balanced approach with quick flanks and creativity through the middle.

Why I'd win:

1. Superior wingers. No further explanations necessary. They have a startling advantage over his fullbacks at both flanks and will torment them all game. No way to keep them out.

2. Lack of Busquets: Alex Ferguson clearly indicated the importance of Busquets to that set-up. Still a good midfield but not a complete or a dominant one. Flawed.

3. My team is better suited to handle his attack than vice versa. His weakness is my strength, but not vice versa.


Defence: The goal is manned by Amadeo Carrizo, one of the early proponents of sweeper-keeper, he's comfortable stepping out of his line to close gaps and able to initiate quick counters with his goal kicks. The defence is flanked by two balanced fullbacks in Bossis and Sagnol who are capable of manning the flank all on their own. Defensively astute with good attacking output, they will ably support the wingers. Picchi and Kohler provide a nice balance between physicality and ball playing ability and are both intelligent and well rounded top class center backs.

Midfield: Mackay-Blanchflower is the dynamic duo between the successful Spurs side of early 1960s. Blanchflower, the thinking man’s footballer, was esteemed as the brains of the team but Mackay was very much more than the brawn. Blanchflower was the captain but Mackay was the spiritual leader on the pitch, the cement in their bond off it and their bridge to the fans.

Blanchflower was a player who could do anything in the middle of the pitch; he had an engine, could tackle, pass, shoot, cross, head, he was the complete player. Possibly his best attribute was his marvellous ability to read the game, almost to the point that opposition struggled to get past him. he had very good anticipation and intelligence. He had the guile and creativity to start attacks with his passing range and rejoin later in the attack to finish the move or set someone else up. His leadership skills brought the best of his team-mates, a great man-manager on the field. He was a gentleman footballer, rarely booked, never retaliated, never argued, though he was a good tackler.

Dave Mackay often described as a brawn to Blanchflower's brain...which was a grave injustice to his talent. Described by the late, great Brian Clough as 'Tottenham's greatest ever player', Dave Mackay was a fearless all action defensive midfielder who galvanised all those around him. To say that Dave Mackay was a warrior both on and off the football pitch would be something of an understatement. Though Blanchflower had better ability on the ball he was perfectly complemented by Mackay's iron will and determination. If Blanchflower was the technician of that Spurs outfit, then Mackay was the engine room and both players were hugely significant cogs in what was, under the management of Bill Nicholson, a well-oiled machine.

George Best: "the hardest man I have ever played against – and certainly the bravest"

Blanchflower's sublime brilliance in running the game combined with Mackay's intensity and inspirational all action game has dazzled oppositions. A complete and complementary midfield duo that'll serve as shield for the defence and base for the attack.

Attack:



Trinity!

Bobby Charlton - Denis Law - George Best + Stanley Matthews

  • 365 goals in 293 matches!
  • 4x Balon d'Or Winners!
A tricky genius in George Best, A accomplished playmaker with grace, creativity and vision in Bobby Charlton and the lethality, pace, aerial presence and goals of Law. A legend for all time.

Doubt any lengthy introduction is needed for the Trinity in this forum. They had it all, pace, power, creativity, goals. A trio of perfection. Add in Stanley Matthews probably the greatest RW except Garrincha and this attack is capable of exceptional performance and ability to dominate any opposition.

Tactics Don Alfredo/Enigma

Formation:- 4-3-3 with a false 9. Press the opponent into mistake, possession based, take control of midfield
Defensive line:- Normal to high.
Style:- Cruyff inspired 4-3-3. Form triangles and employ short, but more direct passing than tiki taka. Look for openings, stretch the opposition defence and a lot of movement in midfield and the front line. We're looking for quick passes using the space, forming triangles, double passes, depth, pausing, rhythm and thus open up the pitch in the attacking third.


GK:- Ray Clemence - A goalkeeper that doesn't get enough dues. A stand-out as Liverpool’s greatest-ever goalkeeper and the standard by which all other Reds keepers are judged, Clemence was between the sticks when Liverpool were in their pomp. Clemence had it all as a keeper – he was consistent, reliable, a great shot stopper, comfortable with crosses, a good distributor of the ball, a good organiser of his defence.

RB:- Dani Alves - the finest RB Barca ever had. He helped Barca put 23 trophies in the cabinet over a glorious eight-year stay at the club, won 2 EL with Sevilla and even in his 30's continued his success winning Seria A and the French league. And if the trophy cabinet doesn't say enough his individual records speak for itself - Dani Alves was the third player in La Liga history to register 100 assists after Lionel Messi and Luis Figo. Not only that but at Barca and Sevilla he came against one of the best modern day wingers/forwards and often came on top - Ronaldinho, Cristiano, which speaks volumes for his defensive acumen.

CB:- Elias Figueroa -
Don Elias is one of the finest defenders in history. Someone who neutralized Gerd Muller at the biggest stage and yet further afield he was a central defender playing at the very peak of his game during this era, a player good enough to be voted South American Player of the Year three times in succession between 1974 and 1976. Elías Figueroa was a revelation: a cultured sweeper with style, fine technique on the ball and an unusual penchant for clean play – he was sent-off on just one occasion during his 18-year career. His human qualities were considerable, too. This was a natural leader who was given the captaincy of every club he played for and who racked up no end of individual awards for his consistent excellence. To this day he’s considered the best foreign footballer to have played in both Uruguay and Brazil.

CB:- Hector Chumpitaz - One of the finest South American defenders, he was excellent on the ball - which dovetails our style pretty well. Fast, strong, solid defender who was part of Peru's golden generation that won Copa America in 75'

LB:- Eric Abidal - Abidal is one of the most decorated French footballers in recent history. A powerful left-back, he amassed over 400 club appearances, as well as 67 international caps, across a career spanning 15 years. At club level, Abidal won it all: eight league titles, a pair of Champions League trophies, a Club World Cup and numerous other cup competitions. He challenged himself across three different countries and succeeded in each.

DM:- Mauro Silva - He was a defensive wall. One of the 90's best defensive midfielders. Deportivo legend and World Cup winner. He was voted Deportivo's best player in their history and considering their success and some of the top players that wore the shirt in the 90's it says a lot. He brings the samba flair but also the solidity at the back and the ability and stage for Xavi to run the game.


RCM:- Xavi - At his peak, Xavi controlled every game he was ever part of. What Xavi engineered was trust. There was an old video that showed how him and Iniesta were so linked that they made the same gestures on the field. When Xavi was at his best, he transmitted that to all of his teammates. His Barcelona were so devastating because it seemed like they didn’t have to look to pass the ball, everything moved so fluidly because players could touch the ball into space knowing that their teammate would be there, or on the way there.

LCM:- Andres Iniesta - Him and Xavi are probably the best midfielders of its generation. He is brilliant in every aspect of the game. There is no other more complete footballer than Andres Iniesta. He can attack, defend, create and score. Probably the most versatile and unique player of all-time and one of the best players of his era. Under Rijkaard he played as a false 9, attacking midfielder and winger. Iniesta is a player who can not only win leagues but also matches when it matters with his consistency and sheer prowess.

LW:- Rivaldo -
After a storming season with Deportivo Rivaldo came into prominance at Barca. Deceptively quick, often using sideways step-overs and feints, and with the ability to drill low, powerful shots from seemingly any distance, Rivaldo was deployed by Van Gaal on the left of midfield in the Dutchman’s Ajax model. Rivaldo would drift inside, often to devastating effect on slaloming runs or to unleash swerving, bending shots from all angles. All with that unique long-legged gait and magical left foot.

The opposition knew what was coming but still found it impossible to stop him. In fact, the longer Rivaldo remained at Camp Nou, the more important and effective he became, with his goal tally rising every season until his last. After Valencia (10 goals), Real Sociedad (7 goals) and local rivals Espanyol (7 goals), Rivaldo’s next most favoured opponents while at Barça were Real Madrid, against whom he scored five goals. Four of them were decisive.

RW:- Allan Simonsen - Another Ballon D'or winner who won the European Footballer of the Year Award in 1977, beating Kevin Keegan and Johan Cruyff in the process. Simonsen was part of the Borussia Mönchengladbach side that hammered by Liverpool in the 1977 European Cup final. He scored a cracker in the Rome final and the only player to have scored in the European Cup, UEFA Cup, and Cup Winners' Cup finals.


False 9:- Johan Cruyff - One of the GOAT's. His claim to the best ever wasn't the pure goal number. His intelligence on the pitch, his awareness, and team work has higher importance than his personal goal tally. He hasn’t scored 1,000 goals in his career but he has assisted many and was involvement very much in every goal his team used to score. Whether it’s Ajax, Barcelona, or Dutch national team, each one of them owe something to Cruyff.

Defence:- Marshaled by Elias Figueroa, we have 2 excellent CB's on the ball, with two great stylistic fits in Dani Alves and Abidal. Both full backs will provide width in attack, and cover their man defensively. Figueroa and Chumpitaz will form and impassable wall for the opposition forwards and are both physical and great in the air and on the deck. We've added non other than Dani Alves at the RB position and his chemistry with Xavi is well known. He will be able to boss that right wing but also be an excellent defensive presence against Best.

Midfield:- A midfield unit build around Xavi. He forms a familiar Xaviesta pairing and Mauro Silva is anchoring behind them in his holder role. Mauro Silva will break up the game, intercept opposition counters and link the defence and midfield and his ability on the ball will be well appreciated and combined with the Xavi/Iniesta quality ahead of him should give us control of the game. An actual term in urban dictionary it has the best representative of their play - the amazing and god like combination of xavi and iniesta on the same pitch playing together with a telepathic like ability to find themself and others on the field.

Attack:- Ballon D'or winners Simonsen, Cruyff and Rivaldo will lead our attack. In their favorite roles, they will dovetail nicely and are one of the biggest match winners on the pitch. Allan Simonsen was a majestic footballer on the ball, he is able to press the opposition into mistake link up with our attack and score important goals.

vs Edgar:- Edgar has based his team around his great attack and no doubt United greats are excellent vote pullers.

However we do have a significantly better midfield and defence.

Our defence is marshaled by the best pure defender on the pitch in Figueroa, in a complimentary partnership with Chumpitaz who is fast as hell and Dani Alves who is a great stylistic fit to Best.

In midfield of course I think it's no brainer that we have the edge. Xaviesta will control the proceedings whilst Mauro Silva has the physicality and the positional awareness and tactical acumen to be a good fit for Sir Bobby.

Our attack is not that far off either - a GOAT in Cruyff to pull the strings in the final third, one of Brazil's finest in Rivaldo and another Ballon D'or winner in Simonsen.

Our superior centerbacks will be covering for our other defenders and also if we have the majority share of possession, we will have to do much less defending. Possession is not a dogma here, it is the mean to have more time on the ball, create more chances and have more scoring opportunities. Xavi's and Iniesta's passing ability to decide the match sounds obvious, but it is our best bet.

Also Edgar has no defender who can keep up with the quick feet of Cruyff, Simonsen, Rivaldo - they all have a fantastic burst of speed on the first few meters and can turn those "traditional" defenders inside out.
 

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I was really glad when I saw the two teams draw each other. Would have been tough to face either.

Dogma was super strong from the start of the draft but EAP has kicked it up big time with the reinforcements.

I'd wager that this game goes 4-5 pages for sure.
 

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This is actually a very close game.
 

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To kick it off, we're bringing a lot of changes to the team.

Our most important additions are no doubt Simonsen and Alves, with whom we're revamping our right flank.

Dani Alves was quintessential to the best Barca team in history and his understanding with Messi, Xavi and Iniesta was almost telepathic.

He's the modern day right back since Cafu and his high intense and high pressure game fits like a glove to our possession style, whilst his energy will help him keep up and produce in both phases of the game.


Excellent tactical analysis on his positional play at PSG (not at his peak of course, but still quite good)

 

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Love Edgar's team, Matthews vs Abidal and Best vs Alves will create so many chances for him.

Not totally convinced on Mauro Silva in this setup either. For this system to work it needs a proper deep lying playmaker to circulate the ball. Strength and tackling ability doesn't matter when you have 70%+ possession.
 

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@Edgar Allan Pillow good luck!

I will start of with a quick comment, but Enigma will lead the discussion.

2. Lack of Busquets: Alex Ferguson clearly indicated the importance of Busquets to that set-up. Still a good midfield but not a complete or a dominant one. Flawed.
No offence, but calling our midfield "flawed" is ridiculous. Spain in Euros 2008 had no Busquets in midfield, just Xavi and Iniesta with Marcos Senna instead, who I consider inferior to Mauro Silva.

I am not saying we are playing like Spain 2008. Merely stating that there is zero argument to say Xavi and Iniesta together in midfield are anything but brilliant.

Also we can expect that Mauro Silva's passing ability gets underrated, so here's a reminder.

 

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A rather long post, but I think it's interesting one and bound to get some discussion going with two names on the list - Mauro Silva and Rivaldo playing for Super Depor in their glory years:

The 20 years of Super Depor

Back in 1991, in A Coruña, no one would have thought that the humble club of the city, Real Club Deportivo de La Coruña was going to be one of the main references of the Spanish and also European football during the two following decades. The humble Deportivo became a memorable team that rise to threat the domination of the big clubs, which ended up leaving an unforgettable legacy, 1 Liga, 2 Copas del Rey and 3 Spanish Supercopas. This is the story of Super Depor, rise and fall.

In the summer of 1991, Deportivo returned to Primera División after 21 years in lower divisions. Since the foundation of the club in 1906, Deportivo was just another club, one of those called ascensor (elevator) club in Spain, since they mixed eras in Primera División with stages in Segunda or lower divisions. In the year 1988, Augusto César Lendoiro was elected president of the club, but it had not been his first adventure in sport. Since he was a teenager he had been involved in the management of clubs, like the amateur football team of A Coruña, El Ural, or the roller hockey team HC Liceo, also in his city. In fact, his prestige is based on what he did with HC Liceo. Roller hockey was (still is) a sport dominated by Catalan teams, where there is a lot of tradition and popular support, but Lendoiro took HC Liceo to the first division of this sport and was able to win several Ligas and European Cups during the 80s, when this club was the most popular of the city.


When Lendoiro got the presidency of Deportivo, the club was living their darkest era, but he was able to promote the club to Primera División after 3 seasons. Lendoiro chose Marco Antonio Boronat, who had been John Benjamin Toshack's assistant in Real Sociedad during the 80s and main coach during the previous seasons, to drive the new Deportivo in Primera División. The base of the team were the players who had promoted Deportivo like the young Yugoslavian Miroslav Djukic or Fran, the home symbol. The main additions were a mix of young and veteran players with more or less experience in the division: Liaño (Racing), Lopez Rekarte (Barcelona), Claudio Barragán (Mallorca) or Ribera (Burgos).

The 1991/1992 season was a year of suffering. Deportivo struggled to keep the cathegory and Lendoiro sacked Boronat a few weeks before the end of the season. For those last games, the veteran Arsenio Iglesias, a home coach that had spent most of his career at home, the coach of the promotion, was the one who had to save Deportivo. The galegos had to play a promotion game against Real Betis, but Arsenio's team saved the cathegory.

The turning point was the 1992/1993 season. Lendoiro traveled to Brazil to buy two players that were going to change the history of the club. The first one was the striker Bebeto, a player who already had a name and prestige. The signing was surprising since Bebeto was one of the most promising strikers of Brazil, a "market" well scouted by the big clubs. Bebeto had won the U-20 World Cup, the Olympics 1988 and the Copa América 1989 with his national team, and the Brasileirao and the Campeonato Carioca with his two clubs of Brazil, Flamengo and Vasco da Gama. He also had top scorer awards in the Brasileirao, the Copa América and the Campeonato Carioca. The second name was the younger Mauro Silva, who had had a more humble career with Guaraní and Bragantino, although he had already made his debut with the Brazilian NT. Both players were signed for 3 millon euros (500 millions pesetas), a big investment for a club of this size in that era.

The season was memorable. Since the very first day, Arsenio Iglesias built a very solid team in defense. The team used to keep their goal safe. Liaño showed up to be a good and safe goalkeeper; Mauro Silva was the boss of the midfield, mixing class with power; Fran added the magic in the playmaker position, and Bebeto executed rivals with no mercy. Deportivo were "winter champions" and led the standings during 13 weeks. These achievements made the label Super Depor appear for the first time, but the team lacked depth to face the last part of the season with real possibilities to win the title. Barcelona won La Liga after the 2nd miracle of Tenerife and Deportivo finished 3rd. Bebeto was the Pichichi (top scorer with 29 goals) and Liaño was the Zamora (goalkeeper with less goals against).

The following season started with reinforcements. Some of them were experienced players that were rejected by big clubs like Alfredo or Donato, who joined from Atlético Madrid; or Voro, from Valencia. Others were younger prospects with potential, like Manjarín, from Sporting, or Paco Jémez, from Rayo Vallecano. Since the very first moment, Deportivo showed not to be a one night dream. In the 3rd week, Real Madrid visited Riazor and Arsenio's Depor was more Super than ever. Deportivo won 4-0 and presented themselves as candidates for the title again. Some weeks later, Cruyff's Barcelona also fell in Riazor. The first half of La Liga was dominated by Deportivo, who were the "winter champions" again, but this time with a 3 point gap (remember that, back then, the victory was worth 2 points, so 3 points were a victory and draw) on Barcelona and 6 points on Real Madrid.


The second half started with Barcelona in crisis and Deportivo increasing the gap. For some people, the turning point was the visit of Deportivo to the Santiago Bernabéu. The madridistas, who were already considered out of the title race, gave Barcelona an involutary help by defeating the deportivistas. Despite the defeat Deportivo resisted on top and visited the Camp Nou with a match ball in hand, a 4 point gap. Barcelona did not reach the game in the best moment, since they had dropped points since the historical 5-0 against Real Madrid. Deportivo faced the game with the possibility of losing without important consequences, but the illusion of a victory that would have handle them the title on silver plate. But Deportivo felt the pressure and the Dream Team won the game with a memorable game of Stoichkov, Romario and Laudrup, winning the head-to-head result too, which ended up being important.

The defeat had a negative impact on Deportivo, who started to feel the pressure and struggle to win games, but a couple of errors of Barcelona, allowed them to keep a relatively comfortable gap. With 4 games to go, Deportivo had an advantage of 3 points on Barcelona. The last month gave us lots of moments of passion, happiness and tears in the most dramatic Liga of the last decades. In the 35th week, Barcelona won an easy game in Vigo against Celta (0-4), but surprisingly Deportivo were not able to score a goal against Lleida (0-0), who were 19th in the standings. With the gap on 2 points, Barcelona convincingly won a home game against Sporting (4-0), but Deportivo felt the pressure against and tied at home (0-0) against the later relegated Rayo Vallecano. Despite the good game of Deportivo, the great performance of Rayo's goalkeeper Wiltord made the difference. The gap went to 1 point.



Everyone thought that the 37th week was going to be the decisive one. Barcelona had to visit the Santiago Bernabéu, a stadium where Cruyff had never won since he started to drive his team. Besides, the Catalans were full of doubts, since they faced the game with Romario's father kidnapped, which affected the preparation of the game. On the other hand, Deportivo had a comfortable visit to face Logroñés, who had been relegated several weeks before. But Cruyff's Barcelona achieved a very important and tight victory in Madrid (0-1), putting all the pressure on the galegos, who did not fail this time (0-2). Despite many people thought that Deportivo could win the title that weekend, they still had the title in their hands, since they only needed to defeat Valencia in Riazor.

The last weekend was dramatic. Barcelona received Sevilla in the Camp Nou with the experience of the Tenerife afternoons in the two previous years. At half time, a majestic Suker was putting the Catalans on their knees (1-2), so the 0-0 draw in Riazor was not a tragedy. But Barça was a hurricane in the second half and the culés overcame the result to destroy Sevilla (5-2). On the other hand, Deportivo was not able to break Valencia's defense and Riazor started to get on their nerves. But, with the Camp Nou already celebrating the title, in the 90th minute of the games, the radios announced a penalty for Deportivo in A Coruña. The following seconds were like decades. The Camp Nou was in silence and Riazor was holding its breath. Donato, the usual penalty kicker, had been changed; Bebeto rejected the ball; and Djukic took the responsability. The images are in the minds of everyone who saw it. Djukic walked backwards and sighed, not looking at the goalkeeper. The Yugoslavian central back kicked the ball with fear and the ball was stopped by González. La Liga went to Barcelona and the deportivismo, proud of their team, also felt they had wasted a historical and maybe unrepeatable chance to win La Liga.

In the 1994/1995 season, no one had doubts that Deportivo was one of the candidates for the title. With Barcelona in decline, Deportivo were the only threat of Valdano's Real Madrid. Even though Real Madrid led the standings during all the season, Deportivo kept a constant pressure on the madridistas. With three weeks to go, Deportivo had to visit the Bernabéu, but Real Madrid won the game (2-1) and sentenced the title. The Liga season was good again, but Deportivo finally found what they were looking for: a title.

It was in Madrid, in the Santiago Bernabéu. Ironically, history put Valencia in Deportivo's way. The tension was huge, since in A Coruña, people accused the Valencia players of being bribed to win Deportivo by a representative of Barcelona in the Liga del penalty de Djukic, something confirmed some years later. Deportivo scored first, Manjarín stole the ball in a terrible error of Valencia's defense and advanced the deportivitas. The 2nd half was played under heavy rain and, with the grass full of water, Mijatovic tied the game. Only a few minutes later, the game had to be suspended for an the rain along with hail. The matched was resumed 3 years later, also in the Bernabéu, with 10 minutes to go. While everyone was thinking that both teams were preparing a 10 minutes game with an extra time, Alfredo scored after 56 seconds to decide the final. This time, Depor was not only Super, but also champion.

The Copa title of 1995 was the end of an era. Arsenio Iglesias decided to retire (although he later accepted an offer from Real Madrid for some months) and Lendoiro gave John Benjamin Toshack the team. But the season was poor, since the first time since 1992, Deportivo was very far from the top positions and did not count for La Liga 1995/1996 in any moment. The change of coach and the age of some players affected the team. The most important achivements were the Supercopa title and the Cup Winners' Cup semifinals reached that season, where they fell against Paris Saint-Germain, who ended up winning the title. This season was also recalled by the departure of Bebeto, the symbol of an era, at the end of the season.

The 1996/1997 season started with a new project. Despite the bad results of the previous season, Toshack continued on board. This time, with the hero Bebeto gone, Lendoiro paid the biggest amount ever paid by the club: 7 million euros for the Brazilian Rivaldo, the star of Palmeiras. In this new season, Deportivo returned to the top positions (they ended up 3rd), but they still were out of the race for the title. The team was mainly sustained by Rivaldo, which impressed everyone with his football. Only the historical season of Ronaldo in Barcelona avoided him to be the star of La Liga. But, since the very first moment, the relationship of Rivaldo with Toshack was poor. The bad manners of the coach were responded with goals, assists and dribblings by Rivaldo. Lendoiro sacked the Welsh and brought the Brazilian Carlos Alberto Silva, who did a good job until the end of the season.

The following season (1997/1998) was the on of the revolution. The Bosman law and the money of the TVs changed the whole scenario. Lendoiro decided to renew the whole squad, successful in the past, but already too old. The club created a Brazilian core formed by the superlative Djalminha, who joined the hero Mauro Silva, plus the additions of the previous year: Flavio Conceiçao and Rivaldo. Along with them, Deportivo became a kind of United Nations club, with players of all nationalities, not all of them with the required talent. When Deportivo was ready to start, Barcelona "stole" Rivaldo with the summer window market about to close, paying the 26 million euros buyout clause of the Brazilian. This signing in the last second was a punch in the stomach of Deportivo, who complained about the attitude of the Catalans and the player. The impact of this signing was terrible for a team that played a terrible season. Carlos Alberto Silva was fired and Juan Manuel Corral, a home coach, could only take Deportivo to the 12th position.


Rivaldo

Since the retirement of Arsenio Iglesias, the club lacked a father. The coaches did not bring stability and the team did not always performed according to their potential. In the 1998/1999, Javier Irureta was signed from the eternal rivals, Celta de Vigo, to put some order in the house. The first season was good compared with the previous one, the team reached the UEFA Cup spots (6th) and reached the semifinals of the Copa del Rey. Probably, the most important was to establish a core for the future years.

But the season that will always be unforgettable for the deportivismo is the 1999/2000. Deportivo did not make big changes, only signing a cheap but promising striker of Tenerife, Roy Makaay, and the young Víctor, rejected by Real Madrid. As it happened in 1993/1994, the first half of the season was memorable for Deportivo, who reached the top position after 12 weeks, defeating Barcelona (2-1). Deportivo achieved a 7 victory run, which allowed them to open a gap of 3 points on Zaragoza, 4 on Barcelona and 8 on Real Madrid.

The second half of the season was more difficult. With 1994 in mind, the situation was similar at moments. Deportivo lost in the Camp Nou against Van Gaal's Barcelona, the winners of the previous seasons. As it happened in the tragic 94, Deportivo reached the final three weeks with a 2 point gap on Barcelona, followed by Valencia and Zaragoza, who had minimum chances too. In the week 36th, Barcelona handled the title to Deportivo by losing at home against Rayo Vallecano (0-2). The Catalans, in total depression for their Champions League elimination in the semifinals, lacked motivation and the Camp Nou screamed and asked for the head of Van Gaal. Deportivo only needed a victory to open a 5 point gap with 2 games to go. The galegos faced a direct rival, Zaragoza, at home. The game was tense and Zaragoza scored first. Later on, Deportivo tied the game, but they knew they had a unique chance they could not waste. Finally, Djalminha, who had scored the first goal too, scored another one a few minutes before the end of the game. Riazor exploded of emotion and the Brazilian took off his shirt in the celebration, which costed him a second yellow. With 10 men, Deportivo could not resist the pressure of Zaragoza, who tied the game in the injury time.


The 37th week was dramatic too. Barcelona visited Real Sociedad with new hopes and Deportivo had to travel to Santander without Djalminha. As if no one wanted La Liga, Barcelona was unable to win in San Sebastián (0-0) and Deportivo was toothless in El Sardinero (0-0), which gave Zaragoza small chances to fight for the title in the final weekend. Deportivo saved the week, thanks to the poor mental state of a zombie Barcelona, which ended up imploding at the end of the season.

As in 1994, Deportivo and Barcelona were in the same scenario. This time Barcelona needed Deportivo to lose their game and a victory in the Camp Nou against Celta. Deportivo only needed 1 point against Espanyol to be Liga champion. Zaragoza needed both teams to lose and a victory for them, a very unlikely situation. This time the story was very different and Deportivo faced the game with motivation and no fear. After 3 minutes, Donato scored a historical goal after a corner kick, a goal that was worth a Liga... with all the game to be played yet. Deportivo felt the pressure for moments and Espanyol looked dangerous, but, in Barcelona, Celta were "helping" their rivals defeating the Catalans. For moments, Zaragoza believed in the miracle and were winning in Mestalla. But in the 34', Victor and Manuel Pablo made a fantastic combination and the crossed ball was kicked by Makaay to the net. This time, the last minutes were peaceful, Deportivo controlled their game and Barcelona and Zaragoza were unable to defeat their rivals: Super Depor campeón!



No one will ever forget this lineup: Songo'o; Manuel Pablo, Naybet, Donato, Romero; Flavo, Mauro Silva; Victor, Fran, Djalminha; Makaay.

In the 2000/2001 year, Deportivo defended their crown and the season started with another title, the Supercopa against Espanyol. Deportivo had a good season and were the runner-ups of the competition, although very far from the unreachable Real Madrid of Figo. This season will pass to history as the first participation of Deportivo in the UEFA Champions League, where they were defeated by Leeds United in the quarter finals.

The 2001/2002 season was historical for Deportivo. The team of Irureta were able to fight for the title until the end. La Liga was a closed fight between the galáctico Real Madrid, Benitez's Valencia and the deportivistas. The galegos were in 3rd position, but only 2 points far from the top (Valencia) with 4 games to go, but the leader did not fail and won their first Liga in 30 years. In Europe, Deportivo reached the quarter finals again, this time losing against a brilliant Manchester United. But this season will pass to history as the one of the Centenariazo.


Real Madrid was celebrating their centenary and the RFEF (Spanish FA) set the Santiago Bernabéu as the venue of the Copa final. Deportivo reached the final, but everything seemed prepared to be a party of the madridismo the same day they were reaching the 100 years, since the rival was the home team, the Real Madrid of Figo and Zidane. The deportivitas were in clear minority in the Bernabéu, but the atmosphere did not affected them. Very soon, Sergio advanced Deportivo in the scoreboard, surprising everyone in the perfect party of Real Madrid. The first half of Deportivo was memorable, the combinations of Valerón, Sergio, Mauro Silva, Fran, Victor and Tristán put the madridista majority of the Bernabéu in silence. When Tristán scored the 2nd goal in the 38', no one could believe what was going on. Even though Raúl scored the 1-2, the result did not change anymore and Deportivo won their 2nd Copa del Rey. The unusual situation, the day of the centenary of Real Madrid, made this final have a particular name, the Centenariazo, somehow honoring the Maracanazo, the victory of Uruguay in Maracaná in the World Cup final 1950 against the home team.

The 2002/2003 season started with a new title, the Supercopa against Valencia. It was the 6th title of Deportivo in less than 10 years. The team of Irureta completed another fantastic season, fighting for the title with Real Madrid and Real Sociedad. At some point of the season, with 5 games to go, Deportivo reached the first position, but were unable to be a real alternative in the last games of the season due to two defeats against Valencia and Celta in the following weeks. This time, the European run ended in the 2nd round of group stages of the UEFA Champions League.

The 2003/2004 year was the last memorable year of the Super Depor. Once more, Deportivo is an alternative in La Liga and they ended up 3rd, only defeated by the brilliant Bentiez's Valencia and the rising Barcelona of Ronaldinho. The 8-0 global result against Celta was memorable for the fans too. But if there was a competition that made A Coruña feel proud of their team, it was the UEFA Champions League. The deportivistas advanced from the group stage and faced Juventus in the Round of 16. Deportivo made history winning both games, 1-0 in Riazor and 0-1 in Delle Alpi. In the Round of 8, Deportivo met the champion of the previous season, AC Milan. The result of the first half was terrible, the rossonero team defeated Deportivo showing no mercy (4-1). No one gave a cent for the deportivistas, but the team of Irureta was not ready to fall in this round again. Riazor was a hell and impulsed Deportivo, who rolled over Milan in a fantastic first half. Pandiani, Valerón and Luque needed less than 45 minutes to put the overall result in their favor. In the 2nd half, Fran scored the 4th and completed the beating. Deportivo had humilliated one of the giants of Europe and the winner of the previous edition, AC Milan.



The semifinals faced Deportivo with Porto. The form showed by Deportivo put them as favorites to face Mourinho's Porto, who had won the UEFA Cup the previous year. Deportivo achieved a good result in Portugal (0-0) and were in the doors of playing an UEFA Champions League final. Once more, Riazor was packed and the atmosphere was amazing, but this time everything had a negative effect on the team. The pressure of the crowd made Deportivo feel anxious, willing to score the second goal before the first one, but Porto played the game with intelligence, was solid in defense and dangerous in the counter. In one of these counters, Deco forced a penalty that was scored by Derley. In the last minutes, Deportivo played with heart, but no brain. Deportivo had wasted a historical chance, maybe the last in their history.

The following season (2004/2005) marked the decline of the team. For the first time in a long time, Deportivo was very far from the top positions and the internal divisions started to create a bad atmosphere. The team reached the European spots, but their image was not good. In Europe, Deportivo failed and did not pass the group stage. Lendoiro and Irureta agreed the departure of the Basque coach, the one that had made them Liga winners. If this was not enough, Fran and Mauro Silva, the ones who had lived the Super Depor and the Euro Depor golden eras, in the 90s and 2000s, retired from football.
 

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Love Edgar's team, Matthews vs Abidal and Best vs Alves will create so many chances for him.

Not totally convinced on Mauro Silva in this setup either. For this system to work it needs a proper deep lying playmaker to circulate the ball. Strength and tackling ability doesn't matter when you have 70%+ possession.
Mauro Silva is classy on the ball mate. Let alone being a Brazillian, he played in the golden years of Super Depor and was kind of a deep lying playmaker for them. I suggest you take a look at the video @Don Alfredo posted and also in the OP to see how well he can distribute the ball and keep the ball in circulation.

You have to also take in mind that since Xavi and Iniesta waned, Busquets didn't exactly step up and become Barca's main playmaker, but rather digressed. He wasn't also the one to hold for the national team in the late 00's and Mauro Silva is a lot better player than Senna, who also made that set up work.

We also have the superior CB pair that would help our full backs and keep it packed at the back.

Both Chumpitaz and Figueroa are well suited to cover for their full backs and both Abidal and Dani Alves are at home here in this set up.

As you mentioned we will get a lot more chances to score here.
 

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Mauro Silva is classy on the ball mate. Let alone being a Brazillian, he played in the golden years of Super Depor and was kind of a deep lying playmaker for them. I suggest you take a look at the video @Don Alfredo posted and also in the OP to see how well he can distribute the ball and keep the ball in circulation.

You have to also take in mind that since Xavi and Iniesta waned, Busquets didn't exactly step up and become Barca's main playmaker, but rather digressed. He wasn't also the one to hold for the national team in the late 00's and Mauro Silva is a lot better player than Senna, who also made that set up work.

We also have the superior CB pair that would help our full backs and keep it packed at the back.

Both Chumpitaz and Figueroa are well suited to cover for their full backs and both Abidal and Dani Alves are at home here in this set up.

As you mentioned we will get a lot more chances to score here.
Agree with your point regarding Marcos Senna and Silva, but I was never really impressed with that Spanish team in comparison to the Barcelona team from about 2008-2012.

Not a massive fan of Edgar's central midfielders (apart from Charlton), so I believe you have a large advantage there.

Think it's a very close game and will wait to see a bit more discussion before voting.
 

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Agree with your point regarding Marcos Senna and Silva, but I was never really impressed with that Spanish team in comparison to the Barcelona team from about 2008-2012.

Not a massive fan of Edgar's central midfielders (apart from Charlton), so I believe you have a large advantage there.

Think it's a very close game and will wait to see a bit more discussion before voting.
Aye, cheers.

That 2008 Spanish team was just as an example mate. Let's not forget that Busquets was more prominent in that Barca set up from 09/10 season on. Barca (Xavi and Iniesta) were dominating teams with Yaya Toure holding and generally they were the key to dominate games at their peak.

I like Busquets a lot, but he was the support player in that set up and as I've said he failed to shine after Xavi and Iniesta faded. Mauro Silva isn't only a destroyer as well, his passing game is often underrated and his ability on the ball is quite good. Busquets also was required to drop in the hole to initiate attacks from the back, which made his position so important for Barca. But here you have Figueroa and Chumpitaz who are excellent on the ball and especially in Figueroa's case he's one of the best ball playing CB's around.
 

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I like Busquets a lot, but he was the support player in that set up and as I've said he failed to shine after Xavi and Iniesta faded. Mauro Silva isn't only a destroyer as well, his passing game is often underrated and his ability on the ball is quite good. Busquets also was required to drop in the hole to initiate attacks from the back, which made his position so important for Barca. But here you have Figueroa and Chumpitaz who are excellent on the ball and especially in Figueroa's case he's one of the best ball playing CB's around.
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No offence, but calling our midfield "flawed" is ridiculous. Spain in Euros 2008 had no Busquets in midfield, just Xavi and Iniesta with Marcos Senna instead, who I consider inferior to Mauro Silva.
Mauro Silva is classy on the ball mate. Let alone being a Brazillian, he played in the golden years of Super Depor and was kind of a deep lying playmaker for them. I suggest you take a look at the video @Don Alfredo posted and also in the OP to see how well he can distribute the ball and keep the ball in circulation.
There is no way Mauro Silva can be sold as a Busquets replacement. There are no similarities in their playing style and 'being classy on the ball' doesn't really cut what Busquets offered to that team. I'd say Senna is a better fit than Mauro.
 

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Good luck, Don and Enigma!





There is no way Mauro Silva can be sold as a Busquets replacement. There are no similarities in their playing style and 'being classy on the ball' doesn't really cut what Busquets offered to that team. I'd say Senna is a better fit than Mauro.
Agree with this.

Are they playing a Barca/pep replica though?
 

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absolute nonsense.
Personally I think he was underwhelming in the more direct approach Barca teams offered after Pep and in some games they were struggling to retain possession in the same way they did with Pep. They also signed couple of playmakers whilst I expected Busquets to elevate his game and inherit Xavi as a main conductor of the team. Granted his role was/is different, but IMO he didn't really display the same versatility in different set ups like Xavi and Iniesta did for Spain for example.
 

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Good luck, Don and Enigma!

There is no way Mauro Silva can be sold as a Busquets replacement. There are no similarities in their playing style and 'being classy on the ball' doesn't really cut what Busquets offered to that team. I'd say Senna is a better fit than Mauro.
Agree with this.

Are they playing a Barca/pep replica though?
We aren't playing the tiki taka, which was mentioned in the previous game and this one as well. Also Busquets role in dropping in doesn't have to be replicated here as we have 2 fantastic CB's on the ball. We're playing with high intensity, pressing and possession style, but a more direct approach, not just circulating the ball and tiring the opponent as a main weapon.

It's not like for like replacement, as I've already mentioned our CB's are much better than what Barca had to offer during their glory years, and Mauro Silva is really good in possession and a possession set up, whilst also breaking up play. Being strong doesn't really mean he lacks technique or passing ability..
 

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We aren't playing the tiki taka, which was mentioned in the previous game and this one as well. Also Busquets role in dropping in doesn't have to be replicated here as we have 2 fantastic CB's on the ball. We're playing with high intensity, pressing and possession style, but a more direct approach, not just circulating the ball and tiring the opponent as a main weapon.

It's not like for like replacement, as I've already mentioned our CB's are much better than what Barca had to offer during their glory years, and Mauro Silva is really good in possession and a possession set up, whilst also breaking up play. Being strong doesn't really mean he lacks technique or passing ability..
The peak of Xavi and Iniesta both for Barca and Spain involved beautiful free flowing football, not anything Mauro Silva was comfortable of familiar in. The dymamic that partnership invokes in everyone's mind sadly won't really happen on the field here. As I said, it's a good...but not THE GREAT midfield.

The biggest mismatch is my wingers vs your fullbacks.
 

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Personally I think he was underwhelming in the more direct approach Barca teams offered after Pep and in some games they were struggling to retain possession in the same way they did with Pep. They also signed couple of playmakers whilst I expected Busquets to elevate his game and inherit Xavi as a main conductor of the team. Granted his role was/is different, but IMO he didn't really display the same versatility in different set ups like Xavi and Iniesta did for Spain for example.
He was immense in the season they won CL against Juve and he is playing close to that level since, obviously not that close to the level he had with Xaviesta but you cant replace that duo with turds and players that dont fit philosophy and expect same if not better performances from the ones that stayed.

Anyone that was expecting Busquets to be the main playmaker of Barca post Xavi/Iniesta probably never followed him that closely, how can the most selfless player ever be a dominant force in midfield? He will always do his thing, dominate the game in his segment and ensure his team is winning the possession battle, the rest was and always will be up to others.
 

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The peak of Xavi and Iniesta both for Barca and Spain involved beautiful free flowing football, not anything Mauro Silva was comfortable of familiar in. The dymamic that partnership invokes in everyone's mind sadly won't really happen on the field here. As I said, it's a good...but not THE GREAT midfield.

The biggest mismatch is my wingers vs your fullbacks.
I guess you haven't watched much of Mauro Silva then. Super Depor played some beautiful football at their pump...

The biggest mismatch is in the middle of the park. I love your pair as a players but they aren't a match on Xaviesta and Mauro Silva midfield. Rivaldo vs Sagnol is also in our favor. Cruyff would also target Picchi and he isn't the best fit for his game. Simonsen's trickery will also cause Bossis all sorts of trouble.
 

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Regarding the Mauro Silva role, here are my thoughts.

Good things:

1. His passing was very good. He was good at spreading the play around (quite a few decent long passes as well) and always available for passes.
2. He was just about okay in tight situations. I wouldn't hold that too much against him despite his big stature

Bad things:

1. He was very slow on the ball. Be it turns or getting it out of his feet or the speed of the pass in general, he was very slow. One touch play or quick passing for example wouldn't be in my notes on him.

While 1 and 2 fit right into the Xaviesta handbook, 3 doesn't. Up to each person on which thing they rate as more of a requirement and which they don't I guess for the setup :)
 

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He was immense in the season they won CL against Juve and he is playing close to that level since, obviously not that close to the level he had with Xaviesta but you cant replace that duo with turds and players that dont fit philosophy and expect same if not better performances from the ones that stayed.

Anyone that was expecting Busquets to be the main playmaker of Barca post Xavi/Iniesta probably never followed him that closely, how can the most selfless player ever be a dominant force in midfield? He will always do his thing, dominate the game in his segment and ensure his team is winning the possession battle, the rest was and always will be up to others.
Xavi was pretty selfless as well, Iniesta ditto for the matter. Sure Busquets is class, but his form came under fire on more than one occasion and personally I expected more from him tbh. Not that it's the main focus of this game of course, but without the dominant presence of the duo, you could've thought that he can elevate his game a bit and become a more dominant figure.

You have a point on the character, but still Xavi and Iniesta often did their thing pretty quietly off the spotlight.
 

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Also without a designated DM in Edgar's team, we have a lot of players who can use that pocket of space - Cruyff, Iniesta, Simonsen, who's ability on the ball is unrivaled.

Who's to stop Iniesta here decide the game and take the ball away from him:


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Rivaldo vs Sagnol is also in our favor. Cruyff would also target Picchi and he isn't the best fit for his game. Simonsen's trickery will also cause Bossis all sorts of trouble.
Best is the GOAT LW. None better. Alves doesn't really have a chance here defensively. Matthews is 2nd best RW except Garrincha. Your defence will get stretched in both flanks, which would be best for Law/Charlton to score...if not Best popping some in himself.

Picchi is a complete sweeper and a good fit for a mobile forward like Cruyff. Hhis reading and positioning is excellent and partnered with a monster like Kohler, this CB pairing is as good as yours. Individually Figueroa is best CB on pitch, but as a duo, both pairs are at par.
 

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Pillow's side is a whole level above his side in R1 but I still have a hard time seeing past that Dogma side. Its really perfectly balanced. Mauro Silva is one position I would prefer Clodoaldo but he's on another side

Best is the GOAT LW. None better. Alves doesn't really have a chance here defensively. Matthews is 2nd best RW except Garrincha. Your defence will get stretched in both flanks, which would be best for Law/Charlton to score...if not Best popping some in himself.

Picchi is a complete sweeper and a good fit for a mobile forward like Cruyff. Hhis reading and positioning is excellent and partnered with a monster like Kohler, this CB pairing is as good as yours. Individually Figueroa is best CB on pitch, but as a duo, both pairs are at par.
No sir. That does not compute
 

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Best is the GOAT LW. None better. Alves doesn't really have a chance here defensively. Matthews is 2nd best RW except Garrincha. Your defence will get stretched in both flanks, which would be best for Law/Charlton to score...if not Best popping some in himself.

Picchi is a complete sweeper and a good fit for a mobile forward like Cruyff. Hhis reading and positioning is excellent and partnered with a monster like Kohler, this CB pairing is as good as yours. Individually Figueroa is best CB on pitch, but as a duo, both pairs are at par.
Alves has proven himself numerous times against GOAT's like Cristiano and Ronaldinho. That's pretty off comment tbh. Figueroa is GOAT CB and Chumpitaz is also one of the top 3-4 from SA. You won't have much possession here neither that many chances given the limited time on the ball.

Alves is level or two above Sagnol for example and Rivaldo is one of the best Brazillians of all time(despite not being a GOAT). Cruyff also is the best attacking player on the pitch.

As a whole we have a lot better midfield and defence, whilst also 3 Ballon D'or winners in attack.
 

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Alves has proven himself numerous times against GOAT's like Cristiano and Ronaldinho. That's pretty off comment tbh. Figueroa is GOAT CB and Chumpitaz is also one of the top 3-4 from SA. You won't have much possession here neither that many chances given the limited time on the ball.

Alves is level or two above Sagnol for example and Rivaldo is one of the best Brazillians of all time(despite not being a GOAT). Cruyff also is the best attacking player on the pitch.

As a whole we have a lot better midfield and defence, whilst also 3 Ballon D'or winners in attack.
Not really a comparison. Best is more likely to rinse Alves on the outside more than either Cristiano or Ronaldinho would do. Alves is known pretty much for his attacking contribution. Defensively I'd not have him anywhere close to top tier of fullbacks. And Rivaldo also tends to cut in and not likely to trouble Sagnol on the outside.

Like Cruyff-Simonsen, but Rivaldo is a different player to them both. Both him and Silva are not good fits to your team.
 

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Not really a comparison. Best is more likely to rinse Alves on the outside more than either Cristiano or Ronaldinho would do. Alves is known pretty much for his attacking contribution. Defensively I'd not have him anywhere close to top tier of fullbacks. And Rivaldo also tends to cut in and not likely to trouble Sagnol on the outside.

Like Cruyff-Simonsen, but Rivaldo is a different player to them both. Both him and Silva are not good fits to your team.
Alves was Sevilla's best player before he even got to Barca. He might not be at the absolute GOAT tier, but he's not that far off. The best RB I've seen since Cafu. He is no liability defensively by any means.

You have a big hole in the middle if you look at the formation and with being suffocated off the ball it's an area that is a much bigger worry than your wingers against our full backs.

Our defence is better than yours, hence better fit for the job.

How and who is going to stop Rivaldo, Iniesta, Simonsen and Cruyff?
 

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I don't think Trinity needed a introduction in a United forum.

  • 3 Balon d'or winners who have score 365 goals in 293 matches! It's a attack that is by far superior to that of Dogma.
  • World class wingers who will give any fullback a headache. The gulf in quality between my wingers vs his fullbacks is vast!


 

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You have a big hole in the middle if you look at the formation and with being suffocated off the ball it's an area that is a much bigger worry than your wingers against our full backs.

Our defence is better than yours, hence better fit for the job.

Mackay is one of the best rated defensive midfielders in the UK and I would put him just below GOAT tier all time. Blanchflower's creativity is at par with Scholes and is better defensively.

They are a proven partnership that were the reason for Spurs successful years!

A hole?
 

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Mackay is one of the best rated defensive midfielders in the UK and I would put him just below GOAT tier all time. Blanchflower's creativity is at par with Scholes and is better defensively.

They are a proven partnership that were the reason for Spurs successful years!

A hole?
Hyperbole much? Neither of them is good as Keane defensively and I've picked Mackay numerous times. Blanchflower good as Scholes is a good one. :lol:

And still that doesn't answer how do you plan to cope with our attack.
 

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:lol: surely even you dont believe that....
There is no direct comparison due to different formations/tactics/era, but lots of similarities. His long passing was noted to be exceptional and he had the ability to dictate the pace of the game. A old school halfback, so was comfortable moving up to support attack. He was not a quick player, but has workrate to cover distance and highly intelligent in positioning making it very difficult to pass him by.

Here's some quotes from our resident Blanchflower expert.

That is a description of Blanchflower in himself though if we replace Scottish for [Northern] Irish determination. Passing range of old Scholes but the legs of the young one - with brilliant defensive skills instead of that monster of a shot Scholes carried around in his pocket for appropriate occasions.
:drool: Spent so much time in that draft, especially reading up on Blanchflower. Couldn't find a negative word about him and beyond the obvious passing range and the way he controlled the tempo of the game that you'd expect from a deep lying playmaker he was praised for his defensive abilities and leadership as well.

Obviously you have to take all the praise with a pinch of salt like with all the old players as you can't find a lot of critique but the matches and stories all backs him up as one hell of a player.
Danny Blanchflower who was an attacking right half and defensively very solid while being a playmaker is the second most defensive option he has. He's not someone who would stay back and screen the defense by any means but rather someone who would run the game, from rather deep, with his great passing range and playmaking.
 

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@Edgar Allan Pillow we often hyperbole in drafts, but even Scholes/Keane wouldn't be able to control the game against Xaviesta midfield. And both Mackay and Blanchflower aren't good as them. Same with Picchi and Sagnol who you are trying to depict as close to Alves and Chumpitaz - neither are good as them or individually close to them.
 

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@Šjor Bepo Here's some more:

I think that's under-rating Mackay and Blanchflower. Mackay had no problems proving himself in Europe, winning the Cup Winners Cup in 62-63 and taking Spurs to the semi-final in the previous year's European Cup, with a barnstorming man-of-the-match showing against champions elect Benfica.
But there's plenty of doubt about it. It's pretty close either way. If we're making a Keane/Scholes comparison, it's pretty clear that Keane and Mackay are cut from the same cloth while Scholes and Blanchflower have the same unrivalled playmaking ability.
I'd still rate Keane-Scholes higher, but Mackay-Blanchflower are narrowly behind. Solid partnership of brains, brawn and playing ability.
 

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@Edgar Allan Pillow we often hyperbole in drafts, but even Scholes/Keane wouldn't be able to control the game against Xaviesta midfield. And both Mackay and Blanchflower aren't good as them. Same with Picchi and Sagnol who you are trying to depict as close to Alves and Chumpitaz - neither are good as them or individually close to them.
Without Senna/Busquets, you'll get nowhere near the Xaviesta you're referring to. It still is a cracking pair, but they will not be able to achieve anything comparable to the dominance they achieved in real life. Silva sticks out like a sore thumb in that team.

And you are forgetting the impact of Charlton. He's comfortably better than his minder in Silva and unlike a luxury #10, is a all action midfielder who will be part of the the midfield battle.

Biggest mismatches:

Bobby Charlton vs Mauro Silva
George Best vs Dani Alves
Stanley Matthews vs Abidal

Overall I just don't see cracking CB pair able to cover for deficiencies all around them.

365 goals in 293 matches speaks for itself.
 

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@Edgar Allan Pillow we often hyperbole in drafts, but even Scholes/Keane wouldn't be able to control the game against Xaviesta midfield. And both Mackay and Blanchflower aren't good as them. Same with Picchi and Sagnol who you are trying to depict as close to Alves and Chumpitaz - neither are good as them or individually close to them.
Agree on Sagnol but surely you are underrating Picchi?
 

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As to Picchi, he's probably the best counter for a mobile forward like Cruyff. His defensive-minded interpretation of the role was exceptional and if you are looking for a defensive minded libero, he's the golden standard.

About Picchi said:
If a player got beyond the line of four backs, either by dribbling his way there or by creating space with one-two passing movement with a colleague, he would be confronted by Picchi. Any player who ran through to pick up a long pass would be confronted by … Picchi. Any high lob or centre which was floated into the Inter Milan goalmouth would be picked off by … Picchi.
When you combine Picchi’s technical abilities with his incredible football IQ, its easy to comprehend how Inter became a record-setting team for the remainder of the decade. The Picchi-led Inter defense conceded a meager 20 goals over 34 matches and was a major catalyst in the club winning the 1962-63 Serie A title, their first since 1954.

The namesake of “Grande Inter” would be earned during the 1964-65 campaign. Picchi’s Inter would not only lift the Scudetto for the second time in three seasons, they would also successfully defend their European crown, defeating a determined Benfica in the final, 1-0, after a gritty performance.

Armando Picchi was spectacular against the Portuguese giants. As Inter finally broke through for the opening score of the match shortly before half-time, Picchi was determined to keep the clean sheet in tact. He did just that, rarely leaving his post deep within Inter’s defensive third of the pitch. Inter suffocated Benfica en route to a continental double.
 

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Agree on Sagnol but surely you are underrating Picchi?
As a balanced fullback, Sagnol probably comes just below the Top tier. His World Cup performances were dominant and I can't think of a single instance he has been found to be less than stellar. And Rivaldo is more likely to cut in and Sagnol will have the support of the beast Kohler. I can't see a Rivaldo vs Sagnol one on one battle happening that often this match.