devilish
Juventus fan who used to support United
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I think he was never great to start with.His decline in form was evident well before Mykonos. Maybe something happened to him during lockdown?
I think he was never great to start with.His decline in form was evident well before Mykonos. Maybe something happened to him during lockdown?
His problem isn’t just his erratic style, his inconsistency to perform and also his decision making in both defending and ball playing. The fact that we struggle to sell deadwood, we shouldn’t be picky on players who are not good enough at all, he should be in the list of selling priority and if there is taker, take the money.As you can probably tell by now, I somewhat rate Bailly. He gets us out of trouble sometimes with his speed and even erratic slide tackling (can't remember many instances as I just woke up , think Kovacic last season). He should not be the CB we look to prioritise selling. He's still better than Rojo and Jones.
there really is not a severe underrating of Bailly. Unfortunately he’s proved time and again that he’s not good enough, and it surprises me, after all this time that anyone thinks he can make it. He’s the classic example of a player whose reputation gets better the more he’s out the side. He’s got some attributes that in theory would compliment our defence, pace, a strong tackle, some flair. But his glaring deficiencies far outweigh any benefits.Perhaps, although that is severe underrating of Bailly. In the few times they played together last season, Maguire had very good games against Chelsea and Norwich. I agree though that generally, Maguire is better with Lindelof.
But we can't sell everyone in one or two windows. Even Liverpool and City took time to shift players like Lovren, Clyne, Otamendi, Mangala, Kalpana, Nolito, Navas etc. Why? It's impossible and we will run out of players. So, would you rather sell Rojones first or Bailly?His problem isn’t just his erratic style, his inconsistency to perform and also his decision making in both defending and ball playing. The fact that we struggle to sell deadwood, we shouldn’t be picky on players who are not good enough at all, he should be in the list of selling priority and if there is taker, take the money.
He was a massive improvement on anything we had the season before.I think he was never great to start with.
If that means during the time when we had a toxic dressing room in which the manager used to humiliate in public a random guy then that is hardly an achievement. Last year we conceded more goals then during the year 2017-2018 and the year prior to that. Meanwhile Leicester conceded less goals last year then the year before. They must have laughed their way to the bank. Good luck getting 2/3 of that fee now.He was a massive improvement on anything we had the season before.
It seems to be well known to everyone but United fans that Evans was always the better player.If that means during the time when we had a toxic dressing room in which the manager used to humiliate in public a random guy then that is hardly an achievement. Last year we conceded more goals then during the year 2017-2018 and the year prior to that. Meanwhile Leicester conceded less goals last year then the year before. They must have laughed their way to the bank. Good luck getting 2/3 of that fee now.
The problem with Evans was that he was injury prone. Maguire was a silly signing. The guy is meah defensively wise and has zero pace. That's a problem as teams tend to defend deep against us which in turn forces us to commit as many players forward as possible. In such circumstances Maguire becomes an easy target as these teams tend to hit us back with quick counters.It seems to be well known to everyone but United fans that Evans was always the better player.
I feel like we had a generation of injury prone youngsters at one point.The problem with Evans was that he was injury prone. Maguire was a silly signing. The guy is meah defensively wise and has zero pace. That's a problem as teams tend to defend deep against us which in turn forces us to commit as many players forward as possible. In such circumstances Maguire becomes an easy target as these teams tend to hit us back with quick counters.
true and that's something we should investigate. The list is endless and is persistent. The twins, Wes, Jones, Shaw, Bailly, Tuanzebe and now Laird seem to join the crew as well.I feel like we had a generation of injury prone youngsters at one point.
No one suggested that we didn't need a CB. However we shouldn't have spent 80m on an ordinary CB with no pace.the Maguire haters are pathetic
imagine Bailly and Lindelof at the back with Tuazebe and Jones back-up
makes me shudder just thinking about it
Which is a load of shite to be honest.It seems to be well known to everyone but United fans that Evans was always the better player.
No is that a serious question? Keane is shite and Evan’s isn’t much better. Evan’s in particular had his chance to cut it at Utd after Rio and Vidic left and he bottled it. He’s bang average and Maguire is easily twice the player, Lindelof is better than both too.Johnny Evans
Wes brown
Shawcross
Michael keane
We make quality centrebacks.
The question is I suppose : do Evans and Keane make a better partnership than Maguire and Lindelof.
Who should we have bought?No one suggested that we didn't need a CB. However we shouldn't have spent 80m on an ordinary CB with no pace.
Probably the best post in the whole thread. Yes, he isn’t an £80m defender and no, he’s not the best in the world but he’s a very good player and was the right player for us at the time. Apart from a few crazy games at the start of this season he has settled in very well and has generally played well. Reliable and stays fit.Unfortunately Maguire was a necessary signing, regardless of its silly or not.
We need a calm head who is good are steady and can settle in straight away. He definitely cost too much but it’s an anomaly.
We were pretty sure he would settle in right away and he has. We need a leader and by in large he represents an assured figure at the back.
Utter nonsense. We bombed him out as he was woeful.It seems to be well known to everyone but United fans that Evans was always the better player.
He had a bad time early season but people don't seem to have balance to understand the unusual circumstances.the Maguire haters are pathetic
imagine Bailly and Lindelof at the back with Tuazebe and Jones back-up
makes me shudder just thinking about it
FFS. We have three players Rojo, Romero & Jones unregistered. We have too many players, we are not running out of players.But we can't sell everyone in one or two windows. Even Liverpool and City took time to shift players like Lovren, Clyne, Otamendi, Mangala, Kalpana, Nolito, Navas etc. Why? It's impossible and we will run out of players. So, would you rather sell Rojones first or Bailly?
Welbeck, cleverly, Anderson, smalling at one point.true and that's something we should investigate. The list is endless and is persistent. The twins, Wes, Jones, Shaw, Bailly, Tuanzebe and now Laird seem to join the crew as well.
It seems to be well known to everyone but United fans that Evans was always the better player.
Utter nonsense. We bombed him out as he was woeful.
We don't watch him much these days so it's easy to go the grass is greener approach.
He did ok for us when we had the best manager ever and he had all time league greats round him.
He's basically Lindelof lite.
I think this is pretty unfair on Evans. Personally I think he was easily our 3rd choice CB. Where he did let us down was in the amount of injuries he had.Which is a load of shite to be honest.
Not really, he was seen as the better player and leader. Leicester supporters are still confused why we bought him.Which is a load of shite to be honest.
He was woeful that last season, culminating in that spitting ban. It was a real mess of a season.I think this is pretty unfair on Evans. Personally I think he was easily our 3rd choice CB. Where he did let us down was in the amount of injuries he had.
If people had of went on to Leicesters forum when the Maquire deal was being negotiated they would of seen a lot thought they were getting rid of their second best CB.
It's almost like football fans are fickle and will put a brave face on things.Not really, he was seen as the better player and leader. Leicester supporters are still confused why we bought him.
He's not consistent, a leader, or a reliable character.Imagine hating on our best centre-back Maguire. A leader and consistent reliable character.
And puting other players in our squad on a pedestal who are complete snowflake bottlejobs
in your opinion.He's not consistent, a leader, or a reliable character.
agreed pal. Good couple of posts.in your opinion.
He's Club Captain for a reason.
Manchester United need more Maguire's and Bruno's in this squad real men. not unreliable posers
I do remember some horror shows by Evans when he played at United most notably when West ham beat us 4-0 in the semis of the carling Cup or that 1-6 game against City when he got sent off but I'll always remember when Vidic got that bad injury in 2012? Evans came in and partnered with Rio and he did look like a great prospect and even SAF said that Evans was the best CB in the league but as he also said Jones will be the next Duncan Edwards perhaps we shouldn't read to much into that.He was woeful that last season, culminating in that spitting ban. It was a real mess of a season.
Before that he had some good runs and some average ones. He always had a colossal mistake in him. Very similar to Lindelof for me. Not good in the air, not strong, not unduly fast. Good at interceptions, fairly decent on the ball etc. Someone you'll always say has to have a good player next to him.
Pretty sure they weren't saying that when Maguire was starring in the England side at the World Cup. All football fans spit the dummy when a previously feted player expresses a desire to leave, it's not exactly new.It's almost like football fans are fickle and will put a brave face on things.
Like when they tried to say Soyuncu was a better player, just before a dreadful run of games showed why he wasn't at all.
Yep. That was an utterly brainless act. And just like the Tottenham 6-1 this season, people totally forget the context, ie playing a good team with 10 for so long.Pretty sure they weren't saying that when Maguire was starring in the England side at the World Cup. All football fans spit the dummy when a previously feted player expresses a desire to leave, it's not exactly new.
Anyone saying Evans was great and shouldn't have been sold either has selective memory or wasn't watching us play at the time. He looked good alongside either of the world-class Ferdinand or Vidic but floundered badly once they were both gone and his performances got worse and worse.
My overriding memory of him will be the idiotic red card v city which led to us getting absolutely humiliated.
It was, but we'd been absolutely slaughtered and it could've been much worse. I was there and it was the second worst game I've ever attended in 40 years of matches. Then we scored a consolation goal out of the blue and city shit themselves. I remember Gareth Barry taking to the corner flag while it was 3-1 trying to waste time. How we managed to conceed another three goals from there I'll never know. I left at 1-4 with two minutes of stoppage time elapsed because I couldn't bear it any more. Didn't even make it to the steps before it was five. Made it out onto the forecourt and another red who'd obviously done the same asked me the score. As I said 5-1 I heard another cheer. Sickening day. The one game I've never even re-watched the goals, highlights, anything.Yep. That was an utterly brainless act. And just like the Tottenham 6-1 this season, people totally forget the context, ie playing a good team with 10 for so long.
That City game was only 3-1 until about 85 mins, but back then we still believed we'd rescue games however late, and we just went gung ho!
Well for starters United should have investigated why so many defenders end up injury prone with us. Some are pretty straight forward. For example Jones and Bailly are so stupid that would probably try and tackle a train in motion given the chance. However others are more subtle. A change in fitness coaching/physios might have sorted United's problem in that area once and for all.Who should we have bought?
He doesn't really though, he causes us a lot more problems than he solves. When he came in he looked great for a period and has had a few sporadic decent games since then but more often than not he's an accident waiting to happen. He's probably our fourth choice centre back and that's about his level with us.As you can probably tell by now, I somewhat rate Bailly. He gets us out of trouble sometimes with his speed and even erratic slide tackling (can't remember many instances as I just woke up , think Kovacic last season). He should not be the CB we look to prioritise selling. He's still better than Rojo and Jones.
This.I think he was never great to start with.