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Why the 70s? Was that a thing back then?
Other than referring to the stuff with yellow flowers that you make oil from, I think it's all rather distasteful.Surely 'rape' can be used in a different context? As in 'it was the rape of the rainforest' - a destruction.
I think so, yes. In fact, social anthropologists believe that, even to this day, tribes of men untouched by modern civilisation gather together on the fringes of society and mumble in a curious language about 'feminists', 'pc gone mad' and 'the loss of our soshul libertees' etc. Ever more left behind by progress and the social niceties which are the very glue of community, ignoble savages like these are apparently doomed to extinction at the hands of those who possess a conscience. Still, they'll always have those Chubby Brown vhs's to keep them warm in the glow of their arrogance.
Why the 70s? Was that a thing back then?
Well said.If young adults are getting desensitized to the severity of rape due to a few tweets, there is something wrong with them, their parents, the system that produced them... Not the tweets.
You can call that Canola now.Other than referring to the stuff with yellow flowers that you make oil from, I think it's all rather distasteful.
I'm a kid of the 80s so I don't really know what was going on in the 70s, hell I barely know what was socially acceptable in the 80s apart from shitty haircuts and funny cloths. But I think I get what you mean, albeit a few of my professors would probably argue there is no such thing as a backwards culture they just developed differently but are at the same development stage, or something like that, I never fully understood the point they were making but anyways this was more in relation to western cultures claming that oriental cultures were stuck in the middle ages but I'm just rambling at this point and will therefor stop.I think so, yes. In fact, social anthropologists believe that, even to this day, tribes of men untouched by modern civilisation gather together on the fringes of society and mumble in a curious language about 'feminists', 'pc gone mad' and 'the loss of our soshul libertees' etc. Ever more left behind by progress and the social niceties which are the very glue of community, ignoble savages like these are apparently doomed to extinction at the hands of those who possess a conscience. Still, they'll always have those Chubby Brown vhs's to keep them warm in the glow of their arrogance.
I think it's a chicken and egg situation, it's part of a cycle, while the tweeting may not cause the desensitising, it certainly doesn't help?If young adults are getting desensitized to the severity of rape due to a few tweets, there is something wrong with them, their parents, the system that produced them... Not the tweets.
This was one of the unforseen dangers of selling soccer to the yanks. Nuked indeed.I've used "nuked", "annihilated ", "sodomized" and "disembowelled" to describe massacres (oh there's another one) on the football pitch. Out of respect to victims of Hiroshima, Samarkand, San Quentin, Vlad the Impaler and Jonestown, I shall stop using these metaphors.
I think this is a central point.The comparison to murder is silly. There isn't a widespread longstanding problem in society of people not taking murder seriously enough.
I'm sorry to hear that. Did she talk to a professional afterwards? The psychological issues caused by violation of one's body are too severe to be dealt with alone.I have a really close friend who went from bubbly and confident to a bag of nerves with a huge loss in quality of life after a rape. I baulk when I hear the word, especially in her company.
So you honestly think there's a widespread longstanding problem in society of people not taking rape seriously enough?I think this is a central point.
rape
1 /reɪp/ Show IPA
noun
1.
the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2.
any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
3.
statutory rape.
4.
an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.
5.
Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.
verb (used with object), raped, rap·ing.
6.
to force to have sexual intercourse.
7.
to plunder (a place); despoil.
8.
to seize, take, or carry off by force.
verb (used without object), raped, rap·ing.
9.
to commit rape.
It obviously is, historically speaking. And in many parts of the world it's still a big problem.So you honestly think there's a widespread longstanding problem in society of people not taking rape seriously enough?
Do you...not?So you honestly think there's a widespread longstanding problem in society of people not taking rape seriously enough?
What about violence in general?The comparison to murder is silly. There isn't a widespread longstanding problem in society of people not taking murder seriously enough.
It's about as apt a comparison as making fun of people for their sticky out ears and making fun of people for their black skin.
To answer your last question, definitely. Except I'd say it's quite widespread, not just pockets of civilization.I don't see this phenomenon of wide swathes of people not taking rape seriously. Rape is right up there with murder in terms of stigma on the convict, punishment (up to and including life imprisonment or the death sentence), and even after release you're branded for life. It's a huge fecking deal to rape someone in Western society. It's not possible for rape to lose it's horror due to a few tweets and words and movies and other things. I just can't see it. Am I sheltered? Are there pockets of civilization in the west where rape is dismissed casaully?
Aye - but the other meaning doesn't fit the bill when what is described is, in fact, a football team comprehensively beating another football team. There's no violation involved.Below is one online dictionary's definition or rape. Obviously as most of us know the most common usage is related to the violent sexual crime, but there is also the definition that does not pertain to that. Take as an example the movie Jurassic Park, in one seen Jeff Goldblum's character is talking about the morality of science and refers to the "rape of the natural world" which I always took to more go along with meanings #4 and #7 below, not the violent sex crime.
So for me it depends on which meaning they are alluding to when they say Brazil was raped, the sex crime or more going for the other meaning.
Well, maybe we dipped them in tempura and deep fried them.What about violence in general?
Using violent language as a metaphor (i.e. 'let's batter them)' is surely comparable, yet nobody would object to that.
We should be able to express ourselves as we like. If you try to suppress the freedom of language, you suppress the freedom of thought. I don't know why people have suddenly decided that they have a right to police how we think and how we use our language to express those thoughts.In the US, rape -- in the literal sense -- is an epidemic on university campuses, as any google check will confirm.
I've never thought it about it seriously until this thread, but all of us really should banish the words rape, murder and kill from our football vocabulary.
It's a fair point but we need to consider the current definition. Like the word gay, which can still be definied as happy, but is scarcely ever used in that context anymore.Below is one online dictionary's definition or rape. Obviously as most of us know the most common usage is related to the violent sexual crime, but there is also the definition that does not pertain to that. Take as an example the movie Jurassic Park, in one seen Jeff Goldblum's character is talking about the morality of science and refers to the "rape of the natural world" which I always took to more go along with meanings #4 and #7 below, not the violent sex crime.
So for me it depends on which meaning they are alluding to when they say Brazil was raped, the sex crime or more going for the other meaning.
Well SOME individuals in our society don't take rape serious enough... but do we take rape serious enough as a society?Do you...not?
Are you talking about the US and the UK? That's the only places I can think off. The US still jokes about everything. I only need to give South Park as an example and their show spans 17 seasons and is about as funny as it gets. They're only limited by their broadcaster which basically means don't swear, a lot. Only a bit.In most societies, well at least western ones, joking about people's race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation etc are generally off limits. There are social norms that when violated cause a given society to reject such "jokes".
Isn't the full disclosure that you were renamed that because you made a thread entitled 'I, Randall Flagg, am a homophobe'?Randall Fag
Nobody was offended
We constantly self censor how we speak - well most people do anyway. On the internet some people's ability to self censor breaks down and there's no mum/dad/best mate stood next to you to give you a silent look that says, "You've gone too far." It all has to be done in words.We should be able to express ourselves as we like. If you try to suppress the freedom of language, you suppress the freedom of thought. I don't know why people have suddenly decided that they have a right to police how we think and how we use our language to express those thoughts.
I don't know if you're serious or not. In case you are, the discussion was regarding the outside world, not this forum. I'm perfectly aware of the rules on this forum.You aren't. This is a private forum.
Obviously race, gender, and sexual orientation have become off limits. The metaphorical use of rape is basically a way of women saying they don't appreciate it.Are you talking about the US and the UK? That's the only places I can think off. The US still jokes about everything. I only need to give South Park as an example and their show spans 17 seasons and is about as funny as it gets. They're only limited by their broadcaster which basically means don't swear, a lot. Only a bit.
A society that rejects someone because of a joke needs to get its head checked. It's fine to be disappointed at people who make a joke that's not funny. A lot of people are not funny at all and when they turn to subjects like rape it gets plain awkward and looks bad but that doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.
The only reason you don't joke about something is out of respect towards other people who don't appreciate it and have asked not to do it. That's called courtesy. Most people possess it. Some lose it from time to time but that doesn't mean they are bad people.
But that IS the current definition... It is predominantly used to describe one thing... but not solely.It's a fair point but we need to consider the current definition. Like the word gay, which can still be definied as happy, but is scarcely ever used in that context anymore.
Not sure I'm following...I was referring to the list that Justy posted where it indicated the archaic definiton of rape as being to carry off by force etc, where as the current or at least common definition is primarily concerened with sexual assault.But that IS the current definition... It is predominantly used to describe one thing... but not solely.
Would anybody be offended by "Germany decimated Brazil"?
Second sentence is the reason why I think many people chose rape jokes for this particular reason, because it's such a strong word. "Germany just murdered Brazil!" doesnt quite have the same ring to it. I also don't believe that just because people use the word 'rape' in a joke that they don't realize how horrible the crime is. At the end of the day, it was just a joke, and intended so. We should start to be concerned when rape jokes are used far too often and too lightly, to the point where it desensitizes the word. Personally I don't do rape jokes but Brazil shipping a record breaking 7 goals does seem unique enough to warrant it.Not going to lie, I've used rape as a word things like this. A lot of people just don't think about how horrible rape really is.
But on the other hand, a lot of people say 'we're going to kill them', 'Brazil just got murdered on the pitch', etc. Murder is still a very serious crime, yet no one bats an eyelid when the word is used in that way.
If we live alongside other human beings, then we have to compromise on many things; and a big part of living in a community is the consideration of others.We should be able to express ourselves as we like.
South Park is satire though. It's not offensive for the sake of it, like er...Chubby Brown and his ilk.Are you talking about the US and the UK? That's the only places I can think off. The US still jokes about everything. I only need to give South Park as an example and their show spans 17 seasons and is about as funny as it gets. They're only limited by their broadcaster which basically means don't swear, a lot. Only a bit.
A society that rejects someone because of a joke needs to get its head checked. It's fine to be disappointed at people who make a joke that's not funny. A lot of people are not funny at all and when they turn to subjects like rape it gets plain awkward and looks bad but that doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.
The only reason you don't joke about something is out of respect towards other people who don't appreciate it and have asked not to do it. That's called courtesy. Most people possess it. Some lose it from time to time but that doesn't mean they are bad people.