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Dumb take, they’ve always had the money, this was about pleasing la liga 1:3 rule.If Barca don't go bankrupt in the next couple of seasons, it will be a slap in the face of every financially responsible club.
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He's sold the club's future revenue streams on the cheap to play transfer muppet this summer.Got to hand it to the fat feck. At least he puts his own skin in the game.
Then there are the glazers. Thats how fecking bad they are.
He sold them down the river so badly that he needed to find a transfer by himself isn’t some sort of bragGot to hand it to the fat feck. At least he puts his own skin in the game.
Then there are the glazers. Thats how fecking bad they are.
Well he is doing it to take a gamble to remain at the top and try to recoup/increase revenue by winning.He's sold the club's future revenue streams on the cheap to play transfer muppet this summer.
He's put feck all of "his own skin in the game."
What figure have you in mind with "drastically". Can you elaborate this?Double or nothing. Let’s see how that turns out as disposable income reduces drastically over the next few years.
When they get knocked out in the groups in CL this year for exampleWhat figure have you in mind with "drastically". Can you elaborate this?
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If they're not careful they're going to find out what 'not existing' actually means.Milan and Manchester United are the reason for Laporta's and Barcelona's actions this summer. For them, becoming the next Milan/Manchester United is the same as not existing. So in their minds they're not really selling away their future, because if they didn't do this, they had no future in the first place
Do you really think that the most valuable sports club in the world according to Forbes magazine (as of 2022) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_list_of_the_most_valuable_football_clubs , the club with the highest revenue of any sports club prior to COVID-19, the football club with the biggest stadium in the world, one of the most followed clubs in the world if not the most followed club in the world (if all social media is combined), one of the most successful football clubs in history and one of the most storied clubs is going to "disappear"? Talk about blatant ignorance. Barça have survived far harder challenges throughout its 123 years of history.If they're not careful they're going to find out what 'not existing' actually means.
Nah. They'll just stop being 100% fan owned and a big controlling stake will be sold to (insert plutocrats name here). That name and prestige is too big to be allowed to disappear for good.If they're not careful they're going to find out what 'not existing' actually means.
Barcelona are basically too big and comfortable to fade away.If they're not careful they're going to find out what 'not existing' actually means.
Bayern is not comparable to Barça and RM in terms of grandeur, pedigree, fanbase, global outreach, prestige etc. The Bundesliga is a joke compared to La Liga historically too.Barcelona are basically too big and comfortable to fade away.
Real, Barca, Bayern will never really disappear. Too big to fail.
Real Madrid is itself a level above Barca in terms of all those factors. I understand you're a Barca fan and you guys had your golden era recently but don't club yourself in with Real Madrid in terns of history or prestige.Bayern is not comparable to Barça and RM in terms of grandeur, pedigree, fanbase, global outreach, prestige etc. The Bundesliga is a joke compared to La Liga historically too.
Look at the biggest players of Bayern historically. Almost all of them have been Germans. Their arguably biggest non-German player, Lewandowski, just left them (after winning 10 Bayernliga titles in a row) for a historically bad Barça in crisis. Such is the poll of Barça and RM.
There is a reason why Barça and RM have had the most players within their ranks who have won the Ballon d'Or, FIFA World Player of the Year award and other such awards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballon_d'Or#Wins_by_club
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Player_of_the_Year
Also have in mind that Barça's main domestic rival (international too) has been RM which has been overall the most successful club since the 1950's. Bayern's main historical rivals are not even Dortmund (in terms of German league titles) but Nürnberg FC to put it into perspective.
If Barça or RM had been playing in the Bundesliga they would have won 50 league titles each. The thing with Bayern is that they first became relevant in Germany in the 1970's. Prior to 1969 they had won just 1 German league title and had absolutely no European pedigree.
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Looks like Alonso will be bought for a rather small fee. Not sure how I feel about that. On the other hand if that means that Alba will be further sidelined, it is more than welcome news. Chelsea struggling too, could that be because of the absence of Alonso? Jokes aside, I find it incredible that they bough Cucurella for 70 million euros. A player that the club discarded 2 years ago. Talk about additional PL tax!
Romero is continuing his Bernardo Silva nonsense. I say nonsense, because I don't see such a transfer happening this late in the transfer window and with FDJ staying and likely lowering his salary. I really like Bernardo Silva and I personally never understood why our old useless board did not buy him in the first place rather than the criminal flop that was Coutinho. A much, much better fit. This is what you get with clueless leadership with a non-existing sporting vision. We are still suffering from the aftereffects of the mess that this cretin left.
Anyway I hope that the club is looking at finding a long-term solution at the RB position and looking for a replacement for Busquets. I am not convinced that Nico González is the solution.
Lastly, did any bético here on Redcafe follow Bellerín last season? How did he do as there are mixed opinions from what I could see. There is talk of him being a cheap RB option for the club. He would join with a very low salary.
The PL is also a 2 horse race in recent years. Bundeliga was a one horse race where Bayern wins every August. I'd easily take Barca young core over Bayern's young core. I'd argue Bayern have been more lucklastre in CL over the past decade than Barca for the most part. Barca had some epic choke jobs but Bayern were losing to far more random teams and weaker teams in CL than the ones who knocked out Barca. And this is coming from someone who absolutely think Bayern own Barca head to head.Real Madrid is itself a level above Barca in terms of all those factors. I understand you're a Barca fan and you guys had your golden era recently but don't club yourself in with Real Madrid in terns of history or prestige.
Barcelona are lucky that their growth and golden period coincided with the rise of social media globally.
Before 2005, Barcelona had only 1 European cup in their history. That's embarrassing for a club their size.
If Barca were in the Bundesliga? Well Bayern have a much better head to head against Barca so I'm not sure about that.
The Spanish league is basically a 2 horse race and is nothing to shout about. Recently Athletico have grabbed a few titles but the gulf between the big 2 and the rest is just as big as Bundesliga. Let's not pretend La Liga is some 90's Italia. One of the most top heavy leagues around.
About individual awards, Real and Barca are the best at lobbying and these awards are largely political and PR based. There have been examples of blatant robberies in these individual awards which even the France Football organization have tried to hide and ended up embarrassing themselves globally very very recently. So in the grand scheme of things, individual awards don't matter much in a team sport. It's good for fanboys getting one up on the internet. That's pretty much it. Hardly a bar for sporting justice these awards...
Anyways, my original point was about Bayern being way too comfortable to fail in their environment. Basically this guarantees them dominating domestically and going deep in Europe every year. Hence, they won't really fade away.
Excuse me? That's just not true, they've won the same amount and if anything bayern's overall performance has been marginally better.The PL is also a 2 horse race in recent years. Bundeliga was a one horse race where Bayern wins every August. I'd easily take Barca young core over Bayern's young core. I'd argue Bayern have been more lucklastre in CL over the past decade than Barca for the most part. Barca had some epic choke jobs but Bayern were losing to far more random teams and weaker teams in CL than the ones who knocked out Barca. And this is coming from someone who absolutely think Bayern own Barca head to head.
Bayern have been knocked out on average by worse teams than the average team that knocks out Barca. They rip through the group stages and then fall apart in the knockouts. Barca have been miserable in CL too lately, but Bayern should have more than 2 CL's in the past decade and they've had their humilations as well like the Madrid loss and it was the biggest upset of last season heading into a match for Bayern to lose to Villarreal of all teams. Madrid had the epic comebacks, but Bayern had the most lopsided matchup in their favor and still lost.Excuse me? That's just not true, they've won the same amount and if anything bayern's overall performance has been marginally better.
There's some truth to this I think. After most of Bayern's losses you asked yourself "how could they lose that?" while Barca just had more epic meltdownsBayern have been knocked out on average by worse teams than the average team that knocks out Barca. They rip through the group stages and then fall apart in the knockouts. Barca have been miserable in CL too lately, but Bayern should have more than 2 CL's in the past decade and they've had their humilations as well like the Madrid loss and it was the biggest upset of last season heading into a match for Bayern to lose to Villarreal of all teams. Madrid had the epic comebacks, but Bayern had the most lopsided matchup in their favor and still lost.
Bayern have been knocked out on average by worse teams than the average team that knocks out Barca. They rip through the group stages and then fall apart in the knockouts. Barca have been miserable in CL too lately, but Bayern should have more than 2 CL's in the past decade and they've had their humilations as well like the Madrid loss and it was the biggest upset of last season heading into a match for Bayern to lose to Villarreal of all teams. Madrid had the epic comebacks, but Bayern had the most lopsided matchup in their favor and still lost.
Saying they underperformed is a better assessment in that case, they still reached more finals and generally performed better during that period.There's some truth to this I think. After most of Bayern's losses you asked yourself "how could they lose that?" while Barca just had more epic meltdowns
Underpeformaned - lacklustre same difference. More often than not they have underperformed.Saying they underperformed is a better assessment in that case, they still reached more finals and generally performed better during that period.
Saddens me to say it, but Romero became an absolute clown tier this summer. He is still riding his Silva story, while everyone at City said several times, that it's way too late to sell him, because they can't get a replacement anymore.
Haven’t Bayern smashed your boys the last few times they’ve played?Bayern is not comparable to Barça and RM in terms of grandeur, pedigree, fanbase, global outreach, prestige etc. The Bundesliga is a joke compared to La Liga historically too.
Look at the biggest players of Bayern historically. Almost all of them have been Germans. Their arguably biggest non-German player, Lewandowski, just left them (after winning 10 Bayernliga titles in a row) for a historically bad Barça in crisis. Such is the poll of Barça and RM.
There is a reason why Barça and RM have had the most players within their ranks who have won the Ballon d'Or, FIFA World Player of the Year award and other such awards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballon_d'Or#Wins_by_club
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Player_of_the_Year
Also have in mind that Barça's main domestic rival (international too) has been RM which has been overall the most successful club since the 1950's. Bayern's main historical rivals are not even Dortmund (in terms of German league titles) but Nürnberg FC to put it into perspective.
If Barça or RM had been playing in the Bundesliga they would have won 50 league titles each. The thing with Bayern is that they first became relevant in Germany in the 1970's. Prior to 1969 they had won just 1 German league title and had absolutely no European pedigree.
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Looks like Alonso will be bought for a rather small fee. Not sure how I feel about that. On the other hand if that means that Alba will be further sidelined, it is more than welcome news. Chelsea struggling too, could that be because of the absence of Alonso? Jokes aside, I find it incredible that they bough Cucurella for 70 million euros. A player that the club discarded 2 years ago. Talk about additional PL tax!
Romero is continuing his Bernardo Silva nonsense. I say nonsense, because I don't see such a transfer happening this late in the transfer window and with FDJ staying and likely lowering his salary. I really like Bernardo Silva and I personally never understood why our old useless board did not buy him in the first place rather than the criminal flop that was Coutinho. A much, much better fit. This is what you get with clueless leadership with a non-existing sporting vision. We are still suffering from the aftereffects of the mess that this cretin left.
Anyway I hope that the club is looking at finding a long-term solution at the RB position and looking for a replacement for Busquets. I am not convinced that Nico González is the solution.
Lastly, did any bético here on Redcafe follow Bellerín last season? How did he do as there are mixed opinions from what I could see. There is talk of him being a cheap RB option for the club. He would join with a very low salary.
To make it short: no. While Bayern has been underperforming in the CL lately their exists were in general against better teams than Barca's.The PL is also a 2 horse race in recent years. Bundeliga was a one horse race where Bayern wins every August. I'd easily take Barca young core over Bayern's young core. I'd argue Bayern have been more lucklastre in CL over the past decade than Barca for the most part. Barca had some epic choke jobs but Bayern were losing to far more random teams and weaker teams in CL than the ones who knocked out Barca. And this is coming from someone who absolutely think Bayern own Barca head to head.
On what basis would you argue that? You pulled that one out of your a*se, didn’t you? There’s no way anyone with a tiny bit of objectivity or clue would support that statement.The PL is also a 2 horse race in recent years. Bundeliga was a one horse race where Bayern wins every August. I'd easily take Barca young core over Bayern's young core. I'd argue Bayern have been more lucklastre in CL over the past decade than Barca for the most part. Barca had some epic choke jobs but Bayern were losing to far more random teams and weaker teams in CL than the ones who knocked out Barca. And this is coming from someone who absolutely think Bayern own Barca head to head.
Sounds like you're the one pulling things out of your a*seOn what basis would you argue that? You pulled that one out of your a*se, didn’t you? There’s no way anyone with a tiny bit of objectivity or clue would support that statement.
Yes, Bayern underperformed on a few occasions but that would be underperforming on a really high level. They should have made the final in 16, 17 and 18 but they either shot themselves in both feet, the ref was utter garbage, it just wasn’t supposed to happen or a combination of those three things.
The only time were they massively underperformed was last season, a season in which barca didn’t even make it out of a group that contained Bayern and then in true mes que un club fashion were knocked out by mighty Frankfurt in their own stadium in front of an audience that mostly consisted of stadium tourists and Frankfurt supporters.
Exactly. Villareal last year as well, that was a huge shocker. Bayern just fall apart compared to expectation in CL more often than not.Thing with Bayern is a lot of those eliminations looked really bad for how they came about
Chelsea '12, Atletico '16, Madrid '18, PSG '21 were all ties Bayern should have won easily, but they bottled it big time. It's the "WTF HOW?!?!?!?" factor
Barcelona just gets straight up humiliated every year on the other hand
Bayern losing to Villareal was 100 times the shocker than Bayern beating Barca 3-0. Tons of injuries in 2013 but yes I have always said Bayern own Barca. But as @giorno pointed, TONS of let downs by Bayern where it is inexplicable how they lost considering how heavy of favorites they were going into a tie. They win the league every August but come CL knockouts they more often than not don't live up to the hype. People get excited when they beat Porto 6-1 or Shaktar 7-0 but then when they play proper competition they come up short. They're still a good team obviously, but in CL they've been lacklustre compared to expectations.To make it short: no. While Bayern has been underperforming in the CL lately their exists were in general against better teams than Barca's.
Bayern went out against Villareal, PSG, Liverpool, Real x3, Atletico and Barca while winning the CL twice.
Barca went out against PSG, Bayern x2, Liverpool, Rome, Juve, Atletico x2, didn't make it out of the group once and won the CL once.
21/22:
Bayern lost QF against Villareal (while beating Barca in the group stages 3:0 twice...)
Barca didn't make it of the CL group stages
20/21:
Bayern lost QF against PSG
Barca lost R16 against PSG
19/20:
Bayern won CL
Barca lost R16 against Bayern 2:8...
18/19:
Bayern lost R16 against Liverpool
Barca lost SF against Liverpool
17/18:
Bayern lost SF against Real
Barca lost QF against Rome...
16/17:
Bayern lost QF against Real
Barca lost QF against Juve
15/16:
Bayern lost SF against Atletico
Barca lost QF against Atletico
14/15:
Bayern lost SF against Barca
Barca won CL
13/14:
Bayern lost SF against Real
Barca lost QF against Atletico
12/13:
Bayern won CL
Barca lost SF against Bayern (0:7 on aggregate...)