Bayern is having a Scheiße season so far.
Bayern Munich 2018
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He wants to pick the team.....
Really ? Do you have more on that ? I thought they were the good guys happy to be playing for Bayern
I wouldn't take the resident Bayern hater's word for gospel on these matters.Really ? Do you have more on that ? I thought they were the good guys happy to be playing for Bayern
A bit of overreacting IMHO. The squad is good and has enough depth to keep winning games. The classic stuff of two players don't fit in the same starting eleven is rarely true.
IMHO Kovac is trying to use a classic pivot for his 4x3x3 system, but for that kind of player you need someone very "specialized" in that position, which he is lacking right now.
The defensive pivot is a key player in this system, and if he's not good enough, the team will struggle.
How come football god Pep Huardiola didn't leave them great side after his departure?
In case you didn't notice, we continued to do well after his departure, winning the league and going out in the CL only on fine margins against fecking Real. But it's 2 and a half years later, too little has been done about the winger and fullback situation, and apart from Heynckes our coaches since Pep have not been able to keep up the standard.
I agree, Bayern have struggled and will continue to struggle with attracting the best player given how much money is available in other leagues.
Something is seriously rotten at that club. You have convicted criminals running things on top, you have a bunch of people from the former Yugoslavia in important positions who don't talk German amongst each other so there is a serious break between the coaching and management staff and the players and you have a squad that is on one hand way past their prime (Robben, Ribery), starting to decline (Boateng, Hummels, Lewandowski, Alaba and even Neuer), thinking they are way better than they really are (James, Muller) and on the other hand the young players they've brought in just aren't as good (which is a parallel to Real Madrid).
They haven't made any big signings in years and during that time so many other teams with a lot of money have come up that it would be very difficult for them to get any nowadays... If other clubs lose their "we have no chance anyways" mentality when playing against them they could fall from grace quickly. And they have had seasons like that in the past 10 years - but they have usually rebounded afterwards. Some day it won't be like that...
They haven't made any big signings in years and during that time so many other teams with a lot of money have come up that it would be very difficult for them to get any nowadays... If other clubs lose their "we have no chance anyways" mentality when playing against them they could fall from grace quickly. And they have had seasons like that in the past 10 years - but they have usually rebounded afterwards. Some day it won't be like that...
What are some wingers that Bayern can realistically buy?
I’ve seen them linked to Cenk Under and Leon Bailey.
I’ve seen them linked to Cenk Under and Leon Bailey.
Nicolas Pepe of Lille would be the other obvious name.
In the last decade many things turned out extremely well for Bayern. One shouldn't underestimate the luck factor. It is not a given that Robben and Ribery became such successes. Both were risky transfers and real steals which developed into top 10 or arguably even top 5 players in the world. They were in the tier directly under Messi and Ronaldo. People say Bayern needs to finally replace both of them - but how are they supposed to do that? It is incredibly hard to get your hands on this quality - even now that they are 34 and 35 years old they would still walk into many squads. The problem is that they can't maintain their fitness for a whole season. Currently, there are only a handful of candidates that would be improvements and they are all out of reach. Bayern was of course managed very well but also incredibly lucky that two absolutely world class talents played for them for more than 10 years each. And it was also not granted that all the young prospects turned into world class players. Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Kroos, Alaba, Müller, they all developed perfectly and were complemented by a very intelligent transfer strategy (Neuer, Martinez, Boateng, Thiago, Lewandowski).
The best bet for replacing Robben and Ribery would be to go for exceptional talents but Bayern doesn't buy in the Neymar/Hazard/Mbappe category. Thus they try the same strategy that rewarded them with Robben und Ribery but as of now it just doesn't really work out.
And especially Hoeneß is a huge factor. The man openly admits that he doesn't value tactics much and thinks guys like Guardiola and van Gaal are philosophs with their heads in the clouds. That explains why he hired a coach like Kovac who was a bad tactical fit from the very beginning. Success is not success. Kovac is a rather destructive coach who already stated that he believes in possession football is dead. While he may have a(n albeit small) point there, the problem remains that with Bayern he has no other choice since their opponents happily surrender the ball to them. But since quick transitions are his primary idea for creating chances, he struggles with Munich. They need a progressive coach not someone who excels at being the underdog.
The best bet for replacing Robben and Ribery would be to go for exceptional talents but Bayern doesn't buy in the Neymar/Hazard/Mbappe category. Thus they try the same strategy that rewarded them with Robben und Ribery but as of now it just doesn't really work out.
And especially Hoeneß is a huge factor. The man openly admits that he doesn't value tactics much and thinks guys like Guardiola and van Gaal are philosophs with their heads in the clouds. That explains why he hired a coach like Kovac who was a bad tactical fit from the very beginning. Success is not success. Kovac is a rather destructive coach who already stated that he believes in possession football is dead. While he may have a(n albeit small) point there, the problem remains that with Bayern he has no other choice since their opponents happily surrender the ball to them. But since quick transitions are his primary idea for creating chances, he struggles with Munich. They need a progressive coach not someone who excels at being the underdog.
All they have to do is bring Jupp Heyckes back again for 7th time and they'll cruise
That’s why Heynckes‘ wife already unplugged the phone.
Total public meltdown by the entire club leadership today - and people around here dissect every word by Mourinho in press conferences. This was at least a year worth of his packed into a single one. And it just confirmed that Hoeness, Rummenigge et al have a really warped sense of reality and just aren't up to the task anymore. They are one of the biggest problems at the club and a main reason they are heading in the wrong direction.
When things aren't going well, they really do turn into a circus. Incredible that Hoeness is allowed to run the club.
The number of times he puts his mouth in things that are absolutely not his business.
The number of times he puts his mouth in things that are absolutely not his business.
I also don't understand what they are going to do. Sue the press?
We would only have De Gea in goal if we used the same logic like Bayern did with Bernat
It's not a joke. Their lawyer sent some very serious and angry letters to several media houses.
Also Rummenigge talked about how the story about how they passed on Sancho was fake news, one journalist asked Brazzo if he scouted him and why they didn't sign him.
Kalle answers: Talk to the lawyer
Seems like Germany’s biggest club and the national team are both undergoing crisis in terms of senior management. The German golden era of 2010-14 seems a very long time ago.
They’ll sort it out eventually but they’re in the shit at the moment.
They’ll sort it out eventually but they’re in the shit at the moment.
Jesus 
They are disgusting leaders.
The Ozil bashing is a bit amusing. He's been a magnificent player for the national team.
I'm not sure about that one as Bayern don't have any god-given rights to win it all the time. And the example of Hamburg shows that even great clubs with a lot of tradition can be stuck in problems for a lot of years or even longer. Atletico has been to the second division in Spain a couple of times, too, because of bad club leadership. At the moment that seems impossible for Bayern but this trend should be alarming and the arrow is clearly pointing downwards. If they really decided to sell Bernat for example at a loss because of one bad half what should I say about Benzema
I refuse to believe he said that about Ozil
The general consensus among Bundesliga observers is that Bundesliga is on the up again. Bayern struggling is not a problem because Dortmund is strong again, all German teams had very good showings in Europe this season and the general quality of football is much improved compared to the dire showings of last season.
This summer was also the first summer where new stars entered the league in contrast to the last few years, where Bundesliga was selling every good player they had to the PL.
Christ, our club feels like a welcome relief when you look at this shit fest.
That bit about Bernat and Ozil was really embarassing. What Ozil has to do with anything in Bayern?
Were they on drugs right before presser?
Anyway, whats the trigger here? Are media in Germany copycat British's treatment to United to Bayern?
Were they on drugs right before presser?
Anyway, whats the trigger here? Are media in Germany copycat British's treatment to United to Bayern?
Old men get angry, shaking their fists at clouds. That's really it because the people in Germany who have always been the harshest in their critique are these Bayern bosses themselves. It's absolutely ridiculous that they would come out and criticize everyone else while they have been doing exactly what they criticize for years. It's not double standard, it's even worse, it's a warped sense of reality that two convicted criminals like Hoeness and Rummenigge go out there and try to tell the media and analysts what they are allowed to say and what not. Of all public meltdowns in German football, this has to be the worst as there are no entertaining qualities as there were with Trappatoni for example.
He has indeed.
He's also won as many tackles as that criminal clown did in his last world cup campaign too, the hypocrite.
I don't think it's anything out of order. Kovac seems out of his depth, so the media picks on him and on the club as a whole, becaus performances aren't great. DIE MANNSCHAFT had a group stage exit at the WC and it didn't look like Löw was reforming, so the media picks on them, too. It's a bit rough for the Bayern's NT players, because they get slammed on both fronts, but that's life as an elite footballer.
The funny thing is a can totally see KHR and Hoeneß acting smug (like saying if they don't want the criticism they should do better work) if this was happening to another club.
The trigger was when after the NL-Germany match, the press singled out Neuer, Boateng, Hummels (and Muller), saying they are finished etc.
Plus lots of ridiculous stories in the last few weeks about internal proceedings at Bayern, but most of them seemed true.
German punditry scene is heavily dominated by Ex Bayern players (Effenberg, Matthaus, Kahn) who like to dish it out and they hate that.
We‘re a disaster and I’m deeply ashamed of what we have become. We need to get rid of that narcissistic monster running this club. We won’t, it’ll just go downward from here. Terrible to watch and a long time in the making.
I love how you edited in DIE MANNSCHAFT
I think the media is not picking harsh on Kovac, of course not very friendly but much less criticism than someone like Ancelotti or Klinsmann got. That's a big problem for the Bayern bosses because there is no Mourinho to draw all the attention on to him, the media is very eager to criticize the squad and transfer policy, which is not on Kovac but on them.
I don't agree with this at all.
Uli
Sell bernat because he *almost* cost you the CL. Meanwhile, Rafinha, Ulreich, Muller and Ribery -the guys who *actually* cost them the CL- still at the club
Sell bernat because he *almost* cost you the CL. Meanwhile, Rafinha, Ulreich, Muller and Ribery -the guys who *actually* cost them the CL- still at the club
He doesn’t give a shit. The man has been living in his own reality for years. But for some weird reason, many of our fans consider him as some sort of god, who built this club on his own, which is obviously Bullshit.Uli
Sell bernat because he *almost* cost you the CL. Meanwhile, Rafinha, Ulreich, Muller and Ribery -the guys who *actually* cost them the CL- still at the club
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