BBC: Chelsea agree deal for Sarri to join Juventus

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    Skills Snitch

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/48632052

    £5m in compensation apparently. Again highlighting why managers aren't worth much, and you shouldn't look to build around a specific manager. If he wants to leave you can do nothing about it, and have to let him go for peanuts.
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    DWelbz19 Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    If he was shown just an ounce of respect from the club and fans, I reckon he’d have stayed.

    3rd place finish, Europa league win, and a cup final. What more can you ask for with that side?

    The football was bland, no doubt, but he deserved a second season.

    I just cannot believe they’re going to get Frank Lampard. It’s like the rest of the league is just handing over dominance to Liverpool and City for the foreseeable.
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    Adisa likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt

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    Hope he adapts a little cause Ronaldo will be having none of that "stick to your position" crap.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    The Frank Lampard thing is strange, literally nothing from his or Derby's side commentating on the links
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    He wont change and if the players refuse to adapt he'll be gone in 12 months time. They might have a better chance of getting Pep then as well
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    horsechoker Sailor vee, this is a right off.

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    At least we have a chance of getting top 4 now
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    sullydnl Ross Kemp's caf ID

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    Hard to see how Chelsea losing both Hazard and Sarri isn't great news for the rest of us top four contenders.
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    shaky Full Member

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    Chelsea could absolutely stop him leaving if they wanted. They don't want to though. They'll be delighted they're getting paid for it instead of paying him off like usual.
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    And then what? Force someone who doesn't want to lead them manage them?

    It might work for players, but you can't have a leader who's not fully committed to your cause.
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    shaky Full Member

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    Sarri would have been happy to stay on under normal circumstances. It's been clear for some time that he wasn't really welcome there any more though. You're making it sound as if Sarri is walking out on Chelsea against their will, when realistically if he didn't go himself, he'd have been pushed out soon enough. The Juve offer is the only reason he didn't wait around long enough for the inevitable fat payoff.
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    La Vecchia Signora New Member

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    As long as they respect each other they will be fine. Ronaldo will be happy to have a manager who plays offensive football.
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    Decomposing In Paris Full Member

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    To be fair, Ronaldo IS the position.
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    BrianMcClair'sBarnet New Member

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    Chelsea bringing in Sarri from the first moment seemed like a ,frankly,bizarre move on their part.

    To get a squad fully interlinked with Sarri's philosophy it would take atleast 1 to 2 seasons and,as we know,Chelsea aren't a club renowned for that sort of patience.
    Nor do Chelsea have the sort of squad currently to play the expansive,intense football Sarri likes to lay down.Sure they have impressive individual offensive talents but fundamentally the squad are still rather structurally wedded into a pragmatic style of play since the days of Jose's first stint at the club and that was never going to be weeded out in one campaign.

    For a club so sure of its playing identity since the Ambro era I'm quite surprised by their naivety in thinking Sarri would totally reconstruct the clubs playing style with particular ease in one campaign.
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    blue blue Full Member

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    There was a large majority of Chelsea fans on The Shed End who wanted Sarri to stay. He won a lot of people around with the 3rd place and EL victory but the stories about Juventus were coming thick and fast. It's a bit rich some Utd fans saying Chelsea didn't make him welcome when the Old Trafford crowd were singing "you're getting sacked in the morning" during the FA cup match.
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    blue blue Full Member

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    They had a successful season so I don't see how Sarri failed.
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    Adam-Utd Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    They didn't want him, he was disrespected and didn't want to stay.

    Amicable goodbye. Not sure who Chelsea are going to get with a transfer ban though.
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    Question for Chelsea posters, are you worried he'll take Kepa?
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    LawCharltonBest Enjoys watching fox porn

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    Same. Hazard was the best player in the league imo.

    And Sarri did a fantastic job. Can’t have done more last season with City and Liverpool both on legend mode
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    BrianMcClair'sBarnet New Member

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    Didn't say he failed. If anything Chelsea failed him.
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    hasanejaz88 Full Member

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    Surely Klopp's and Pep's success go against that arguement? Not to forget Poch's achievements in taking Spurs to the UCL final. You need to think long term no matter which way, either through building a squad with an identity you as upper management want, and then hiring a manager who suits those players, or buying players to suit a manager. You can't go blind through an alley and just buy players without a strategy in place.
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    Ultimate_L New Member

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    Absolutely agree with this, The cup final was embarrassing. The fans have been awful. I'm glad he's left cause I felt with the right push and maybe a solid striker and a formational change they could have challenged for the title.
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    Klopp and Pep are the outliers not the rule. Guardiola's one of the top 3-5 managers of all time, and Klopp is a generational manager himself. You can't have a strategy which heavily depends on getting one of those two guys.
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    I think the failure you can put down to the club is the transfer ban, which is still under appeal, and losing Hazard which was probably outside of the clubs control. The fans in general were behind him and it really was only a small minority who booed.
    It wasn't a bizarre appointment. The club wanted a more attractive style of play on the pitch and wanted Sarriball. While the team did turn out some pretty lacklustre performances they were successful and Hazard had his best season. I have seen some criticism of Chelsea's football this season but there was a slight change and the performance in the EL final, particularly 2nd half, was good. I thought Sarri would get another season based on last seasons success but the Juve stories just kept coming. It is Sarri that wants out and Juve have paid Chelsea compensation. For a change the club haven't sacked the manager. A new leaf. Sic.

    Personally I wanted him out after the 6-0 drubbing from City and 4-0 to Bournemouth, but it slowly turned around and when we got 3rd place you could have knocked me down with a feather. The EL was just over achievement. He won me over.

    I'm old school and have never booed any Chelsea player or Manager. I didn't want Sarri to go. When I saw him looking at his winners medal after the EL final I really felt for the guy and thought he would stay and continue to improve the team. It wasn't to be.
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    The agenda on this topic is strong with you.

    Tottenham couldn't afford Chelsea's strategy of "fire until you make it". Few clubs can. It's not the best move from a strategic perspective.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    I do wonder if he'd want Jorginho
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    Jorginho's as good as confirmed he's not following him again with his comments about the situation. Furthermore even if he wanted to we wouldn't sell our most technically accomplished midfielder without replacing him.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    I dunno I can see someone like Lampard benching him pretty quickly tbh
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    Dancfc Full Member

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    For who? Our other options would be Bakayoko and an 18 year old CB if we drop him currently.

    Furthermore Frank is a 443 possession based manager just like Sarri so i'd be amazed if he didn't play Jorginho, the only question mark would be how he utilizes him.
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    Great another decent Derby manager gets poached.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Is it? Derby averaged 53% possession in Championship. It doesn't look like possession based team.
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    Spurs themselves have been through their share of managers. Within 12 months they went from AVB, to Sherwood to Pochettino.

    I'm sure some of you were also advocating for AVB to be given time, or Sherwood to be given time. About how unfair it was for Spurs to sack them.
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    hasanejaz88 Full Member

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    There are other clubs as well who adopt a long term strategy dependent mainly on their own philosophy and find managers to fit that philosophy. Dortmund, Bayern have done that and had success. One of the reasons Bayern fans still appreciate Van Gaal is, despite his poor second season, he set Bayern on a course to completely change their playing style and focus on possession based football. Before that, their signings were haphazard without a clear goal in place. Van Gaal instilled a possession based style, which carried forward to Heynkes and then also Pep.

    Dortmund as well, with Klopp coming, shifted their focus to buying young players with future value and also having a fast paced counter attacking football style. The consistency in that philosophy has allowed them to remain quite successful despite changing managers and also losing many star players as well.
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    Dancfc Full Member

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    He adapted as the season went on (no time more so than the play offs Vs Leeds) due to not having the required players to pull it off consistently but his management style is very much based on playing on the front foot.

    The most evident example of that would probably be the cup ties at our place and your place where they took us both on and were the better side on both occasions.
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    Mb194dc Full Member

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    I think he'll do well at Juventus.

    They obviously want Pep when he leaves City, and the similar style is surely aimed to smooth the transition.

    I think Rafa is coming in at Chelsea on a 1 year deal, to grind results out whilst we're under the transfer ban and having lost Hazard, seems reasonably sensible to me.
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    antihenry CAF GRU Rep

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    So it's the club and fans' fault he decided to jump ship and join the best club in Italy less than a year after joining Chelsea? He isn't getting sacked, from what I can tell. Juve probably contacted his agent weeks earlier knowing Allegri is on his way out and Sarri understandably said yes. I can see how he prefers Juve to Chelsea but he leaves because he wants to, not because he's forced to. I'm sure going to Turin where he's almost guaranteed to win titles intead of staying at CFC with Hazard leaving and a transfer ban looming is an easy choice to make, I just don't see how he's a victim here.
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    adexkola Arsenal supporter

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    You don't know what I was advocating.

    They would provide Pochettino more leeway than Chelsea would.
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    Wasn’t suited to the PL whatsoever.
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    Dancfc Full Member

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    Levy wasn't exactly known for patience until Pochettino turned up, infact their sackings of Jol and Redknapp were pound for pound harsher than any of Roman's , you can even argue Sherwood falls into that category too given his famous win percentage he liked to remind everyone about.
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    Got to admire the way Chelsea do things. Their fans didnt warm to Sarri, and despite him winning the Europa League and finishing 3rd, he is moved on.

    If he was a United manager he would have got a 2 year extension after winning the EL.