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Being David Moyes
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Great. Well, what do you think of the questions I asked then?
I feel no sympathy what so ever. Today was a complete joke, It's mind blowing how he sat on the sidelines for 75 minutes watching that before he made a change. He didn't even try and change the shape of the team at HT ffs.
It was so obvious this was going to happen, how the hell did he get the job in the first place.
It was so obvious this was going to happen, how the hell did he get the job in the first place.
I think the lack of ball training with players makes them perform like strangers, it's like making relay runners practice without a baton.
Not sure why we should feel sympathy for a manager whose players don't want to play for him?
If passing the baton required any skill other than grabbing a short cylindrical object. Any old wanker can do it.
We don't know the true extent of the story (we will probably never know)
It could have been the players giving him a proper chance, it could have been the player never give him a proper chance from the start. But like it or hate it, at the end of the day, a leader must not expect support and loyalty as a given, he has to earn it, as in every wake in life.
Even mods here have to earn their respect before being appointed.
The players are just humans with humans emotions, they are "Normal" to questions the man's ability (It may not be ethical and professional, but as a human being it is normal to have snidering doubt over someone new), and instead of coming with fresh ideas, and motivation, he come here, sacked our whole first team squad, and hasn't got something solid to show the player that he knows what he's doing.
Again, the sacking the first team coaches has been done to death, but if you have the guts to shake the status quo, you should have the ability to perform, or else you'll look like a mug doing so. Moyes is the manager, team plays well he'll get all the praise, and rightly fair if he got all the slagging if we're not playing well.
I feel sorry for him. feck the money.
found this image of redissue.
I cannot feel sorry for a guy who despite all his troubles at work, still earns a massive amount of money and lives a comfortable life.
I agree with this 100%.
I'm pretty sure he was quoted after the match saying (roughly) the 'job is bigger than I expected.'
What did you expect, David? Please. Please. Just leave.
What did you expect, David? Please. Please. Just leave.
People felt strongly over Moyes, and they wanted to voiced out. In the past the urge is not that great to create a separate thread, but during extreme duress, everyone wants to be heared (i blame it on pure passion). It's human psychology
Sympathy? No way. He's paid brilliantly and has gotten his shot at the biggest job in football. When he's sacked by united, he'll still have a comfortable life doing what he loves. On the other hand, I don't have any dislike for him personally either.
And they knows this how?found this image of redissue.
In these circumstances how much you're paid is completely irrelevant. Do you think he goes home after every game, sits down in his favourite chair with a glass of wine and thinks to himself "we were crap today but hey ho, I'm getting well paid for this"? Of course not. You only need to look at the guy's face to see the pressure he's under. His team is failing at every turn and his best players are performing to Sunday League level and giving away idiotic penalties. He is being seen to fail in the most public fashion and is being laughed at by the whole world.
But hey ho, he's well paid so not deserving of any sympathy.
Moyes tried to make a step up (joining a big club) and he failed. I dont blame him from taking the job. However there's nothing to feel sorry about. There are a substantial number of mid table club type of managers who had failed at the highest level. Hodgson (Inter), Grant (Chelsea) and DelNeri (Juventus) are prime examples.
Hopefully one day he will be given a second chance elsewhere.
Hopefully one day he will be given a second chance elsewhere.
I'm not being 100% serious how do you know he doesn't ?
I sneaked into his house and planted a webcam.
Any snaps from his daughter
?Hodgson was a "failure" at Inter? Moratti didn't think so : "Speaking about Hodgson's time at Inter, club president Massimo Moratti said: "Roy Hodgson was an important person in the development of Inter Milan to the point we have reached today. He saved us at the right time. When he came we were in trouble and things appeared dark. He didn’t panic, he was calm and made us calm. Disaster was averted at the most important time. Everyone at Inter will remember him for that and his contribution. He is considered by us all as an important person in our history. He left an endowment to this club that’s important in our history"
Nope, but I could see some black bloke sneaking around furtively. Not sure who that was.............Any snaps from his daughter
We've a front four of Rooney, Januzaj, Mata, RVP. I know this is a fact repeated a few times recently but just let that sink in for a moment and then consider that our primary (often to the point of exclusivity) outlet of attack is crosses and wide play. Really. It'd sound like a joke to anyone who wasn't aware it was actually true. This is why I don't feel sorry for him at all.
One moment in the second half summer it up for me. There was a ball lofted towards the box. Van Persie was offside anyway but didn't know it when he volleyed the ball. Last season he would have just blasted it, probably on target. But it almost seemed like he was afraid to hit it and ended up shooting meekly wide. He's obviously lost confidence and when you're barely involved in the game and get very few chances, it's no wonder. It would be the death of any scorer.
There are so many issues I don't know where to start.
The problem for me though (or at least the one I want to talk about here) is that he was the reasons Moyes were appointed in the first place, were ridiculous.
Moyes was essentially appointed on SAFs recommendation (which is in itself a stupid situation for the club to put itself in) - because he is a very similar character and similar person to SAF.
Think about the above, we replaced SAF, not with an outstanding manager in their own right, but basically the closest thing to SAF that we could find.
When Roy Keane left, or any other great player, did we go out and try to buy another Roy Keans? No. Because it would be impossible. People are unique and we quite rightly looked to simply buy in great players in their own rights, with different strengths and weaknesses to the previous ones.
Why we did not apply this logic to appointing a manager is baffling beyond belief.
SAFSs success was practically self fulfilling by the end. His aura had become so strong that for us to fail was simply unthinkable. I genuinely think if a fresh faced SAF came down from Scotland to take over the club today, without the legacy, reputation and fear, he would be suffering the same fate that Moyes is.
Fergies task when he took over was to build a team and an empire. He was perfectly suited to the task. The job Moyes has, and the tasks he faces, are completely different. The empire is already built, success is already achieved, the criteria are totally different and frankly it called for a completely different person.
For the reasons above, I really feel we should have appointed a Mourinho type character. Someone who would not feel the pressure, would not crack, would show no fear and would deal with the egos in the dressing room, and command the respect of everyone at the club. If he left after 2 years then so be it, the man replacing Mourinho would have a much easier task than replacing SAF.
The problem for me though (or at least the one I want to talk about here) is that he was the reasons Moyes were appointed in the first place, were ridiculous.
Moyes was essentially appointed on SAFs recommendation (which is in itself a stupid situation for the club to put itself in) - because he is a very similar character and similar person to SAF.
Think about the above, we replaced SAF, not with an outstanding manager in their own right, but basically the closest thing to SAF that we could find.
When Roy Keane left, or any other great player, did we go out and try to buy another Roy Keans? No. Because it would be impossible. People are unique and we quite rightly looked to simply buy in great players in their own rights, with different strengths and weaknesses to the previous ones.
Why we did not apply this logic to appointing a manager is baffling beyond belief.
SAFSs success was practically self fulfilling by the end. His aura had become so strong that for us to fail was simply unthinkable. I genuinely think if a fresh faced SAF came down from Scotland to take over the club today, without the legacy, reputation and fear, he would be suffering the same fate that Moyes is.
Fergies task when he took over was to build a team and an empire. He was perfectly suited to the task. The job Moyes has, and the tasks he faces, are completely different. The empire is already built, success is already achieved, the criteria are totally different and frankly it called for a completely different person.
For the reasons above, I really feel we should have appointed a Mourinho type character. Someone who would not feel the pressure, would not crack, would show no fear and would deal with the egos in the dressing room, and command the respect of everyone at the club. If he left after 2 years then so be it, the man replacing Mourinho would have a much easier task than replacing SAF.
Moratti always sees his friends with puppy eyes. That also explains while an idiot like branca has reached high places at inter
Incredible as it sounds, it would explain some of the shite we've been served so far.found this image of redissue.
Moyes is going to buy a load of WWJD bracelets for the team - What Would Jagielka Do?
He's a pathetic loser with no history of being able to build a winning team. Hired based on the fact he is from the same city as Ferguson.
Terrific post and exactly how I feel. No sympathy at all for him, this shit is all because of him. In fact, with each day passing, I regret having criticized the likes of Cleverley or Rio (not that they were any better than I said) because this situation is much more simple than players not being good enough or not giving it all. It is players managed by a mediocre manager and coached by shitty coaches.
For me, players should have a blank sheet for this year, it isn't their fault that the club went mad on choosing Moyes.
Sound and fair. Very likable and decent man, sadly in the wrong job and at the wrong time. I still think it's worth holding out til the end of season and then making an unemotional decision.
In 30 yrs time that question will be highlighted as the major catalyst behind united dominance, world peace and the cure fir Aids
All great managers have the bottle to make tough decisions. I'm afraid Moyes isn't one of them.
He should have put a stop to the players giving interviews.
Fined those who have used social media to voice their opinions, even the positive opinions.
Drop players he feels are not performing for him and demanded more from them...should have torn them new arseholes in the dressing room at half-time.
Make more positive substitutions, even if it has to be in the first 10 minutes of the match when he feels things are not going according to plan.
Dropped players like Evra, Raphael when things were not going well, especially at the beginning of the season.
Drawn a line in the sand and said "I dare you to cross it".
SAF, Mourinho, even Sam feckin Allardyce would have done some of those things....Moyes just doesn't have the bottle for it.
No leadership qualities as far as i can see.
He should have put a stop to the players giving interviews.
Fined those who have used social media to voice their opinions, even the positive opinions.
Drop players he feels are not performing for him and demanded more from them...should have torn them new arseholes in the dressing room at half-time.
Make more positive substitutions, even if it has to be in the first 10 minutes of the match when he feels things are not going according to plan.
Dropped players like Evra, Raphael when things were not going well, especially at the beginning of the season.
Drawn a line in the sand and said "I dare you to cross it".
SAF, Mourinho, even Sam feckin Allardyce would have done some of those things....Moyes just doesn't have the bottle for it.
No leadership qualities as far as i can see.