Maguire wasn’t a moment.Good, let them have their Maguire moment.
Believe me, this lad is over rated and not worth the amount of money being talked about. We should steer well clear unless his price comes down to £30m
That doesn't make any sense. Buying Rice will not improve them, it will be a big fat waste of money and they'll have to keep playing him because they paid that much for him. Let them blow their budget on him, we're better off without.Maguire wasn’t a moment.
Maguire was in a list of bad players signed under a bad manager aka Ole.
If Arteta has signed such good players that have led to them being no 1 in the league then them signing Rice or Bellingham won’t be their ‘Maguire moment’ - it will just be a continuing of them signing players that suit them because their manager has proved to avoid Maguire type of signings in the first place.
One bad season means they cant sign a top player?Why the feck would Jude go to Liverpool now?
Its well worth paying the English tax. Instant favoritism from referees and media.50m for Rice and 70m for Bellingham is probably closer to their value without English tax. Maybe even less.
Arsenal seem to be doing just fine with a midfield that has 0 English men and an attack that has only 1. I don't think that favouritism is worth 150m but whatevs.Its well worth paying the English tax. Instant favoritism from referees and media.
To me he's very much a "Mourinho player". Big, strong, dependable, solid. And this is not a slight on Rice in any way.Rice really doesn't strike me as the type of player ten Hag would be interested in.
He could go to Liverpool but considering the kind of rebuild they need, I don't think they can afford him.One bad season means they cant sign a top player?
Jude is a Liverpool fan
Gerrard is his idol
Liverpool have put 12 months of groundwork on this deal
They have won the PL and CL in the last 4 years
They have Klopp
I dont see why he wouldn't go to Liverpool. I'd go as to saying, its 60% done to Liverpool.
Agreed. Same with Bellingham too.Rice really doesn't strike me as the type of player ten Hag would be interested in.
I think it's mental, that you think it's mental that people say "no thanks" given the price quoted. No one would turn their noses up at him at 70m-80m.Think it's mental how many people are turning up their nose to Jude. Think people forget he's just 19 and playing at such a high standard already and will get better.
I'm not. His defensive contributions and work rate are good enough that I actually think he'd be dominant here. Is he the perfect fit? No I think FDJ is personally. But Jude taking over the role that Fred essentially plays in front of Casemiro (roaming all over, involved in everything) would be a dominant sight in its own way even if it's a bit more chaotic. The main thing is that he has to be allowed to contribute in the final third if you're going to get proper use of him. Not dissimilar from Pogba, who's main issue was that he was too good of a deep passer so managers tried to play him as a 6 while he was crap defensively. Jude is much better defensively, but he's not a 6 or holding midfielder either.Think it's mental how many people are turning up their nose to Jude. Think people forget he's just 19 and playing at such a high standard already and will get better.
I think they have taken Jude's price into the equation. Players are allowed to have bad season, alot of United fans said 90% of this squad is done and needs to be sold. He is 29 not 35/36 that he is done.He could go to Liverpool but considering the kind of rebuild they need, I don't think they can afford him.
Naby Keita, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Milner are out of contract and leaving on a free. Melo's loan was a disaster and he won't be signed. Fabinho is done and they really need to sell him and cache in any value he has left. Hendo and Thiago can be squad players, but their days as starters in a Klopp system are done. Curtis Jones just ain't it, while Harvey Elliot and Bajcetic ain't it yet. They need a starting #6 and a starting #8 at absolute minimum.
Ideally they would also sell C.Jones and get another starting CM with Bajcetic, Elliot, Hendo and Thiago providing depth. And they also need to sign a defender or two. They can't throw €150m on one player. That's probably their entire summer budget.
White, Saka,ramsdale,nketiah, smith rowe..Arsenal seem to be doing just fine with a midfield that has 0 English men and an attack that has only 1. I don't think that favouritism is worth 150m but whatevs.
Would they be willing to spend 150m on a player? Their owners are stingy. I don't see them spending half that on a player unless they sell Salah and a few others.One bad season means they cant sign a top player?
Jude is a Liverpool fan
Gerrard is his idol
Liverpool have put 12 months of groundwork on this deal
They have won the PL and CL in the last 4 years
They have Klopp
I dont see why he wouldn't go to Liverpool. I'd go as to saying, its 60% done to Liverpool.
Well, only time will tell. What I do know is, no club will put the leg work for a player without knowing what the price could be. There is no chance, Liverpool have been working on getting Jude to Liverpool without knowing they need to spend £120m+, it wouldn't happen.Would they be willing to spend 150m on a player? Their owners are stingy. I don't see them spending half that on a player unless they sell Salah and a few others.
What is Kevin De Bruyne's specialism? Passing? Winning the ball back? Managing the tempo of a game (Modric etc..)? Goal scoring?I strongly believe that in midfield you require specialists. Players who can excel at the highest level at something specific. All of the best midfields of recent times were made up of specialists. Barca and Real dominated Europe with that formula. City is dominating PL the same way. Bellingham will have to focus on a role and become a master of it in order to become world class.
And I have read they have a £300 billion gazillion budget.I think they have taken Jude's price into the equation. Players are allowed to have bad season, alot of United fans said 90% of this squad is done and needs to be sold. He is 29 not 35/36 that he is done.
I have read Liverpool have a £300m budget. Jude say 150m, they are looking at Nunes and Mount at say 40m each. That is £230m on midfield. They usually sell a few players and raise say 50m so they will probably go buy another CB.
Gerrard never controlled play. Benitez in fact moved him out of CM.What is Kevin De Bruyne's specialism? Passing? Winning the ball back? Managing the tempo of a game (Modric etc..)? Goal scoring?
I would suggest KDB does all of them, extremely well.
As for the need to have a specific role to be world class, look at Scholes and Gerrard. They controlled play; passed briliantly; created chances; and scored goals regularly. Gerard (especially) was a ball winner too. Or is this too far in the past, because he played against a number of those great Barca and Real players you refer to? And Scholes and Gerrard were undoubtedly world class players.
Declan Rice has developed as a player, because he has added different dimensions to his game (although i would not say he is world class, personally..) but he has improved.
Right.. I see you are a financial expert.And I have read they have a £300 billion gazillion budget.
They literally just announced barely breaking even on their finances for last season. That was after finishing second, winning both domestic cups and reaching the UCL final. Therefore after playing every fixture conceivable and having a 63-game season. Then their owner tried to sell them in November because he thought their valuation would have peaked but he didn't get any offers so he is now backtracking. As for this season, they're about to get knocked out on the UCL Round of 16, miss out on a top 4 finish and end up empty handed.
Does that sound like a team with a £300m transfer budget to you?
PS. It's not that Fabinho is simply having a bad season. He seems barely capable of running at the moment. Liverpool fans themselves have given up on him.
I keep seeing this myth. He is a Birmingham fan.One bad season means they cant sign a top player?
Jude is a Liverpool fan
Gerrard is his idol
Liverpool have put 12 months of groundwork on this deal
They have won the PL and CL in the last 4 years
They have Klopp
I dont see why he wouldn't go to Liverpool. I'd go as to saying, its 60% done to Liverpool.
Arsenal are outsiders to the title. If we had a Rice/Bellingham we'd be favorites. Its just 1-2 decisions that you need to go in your favour, with the difference between winning and losing a title often lesser than 1 point.Arsenal seem to be doing just fine with a midfield that has 0 English men and an attack that has only 1. I don't think that favouritism is worth 150m but whatevs.
I just can't see it myself for the simple reason that Liverpool never buy players other top clubs are interested in. I really can't think of a single one which is why the work Klopp has done is so impressive. Of course that could change but it would be a first for them to buy someone of Bellingham's profile at the moment.One bad season means they cant sign a top player?
Jude is a Liverpool fan
Gerrard is his idol
Liverpool have put 12 months of groundwork on this deal
They have won the PL and CL in the last 4 years
They have Klopp
I dont see why he wouldn't go to Liverpool. I'd go as to saying, its 60% done to Liverpool.
I think we've learned by now that the age based argument counts for nothing. We've seen numerous examples of players that aer capable of playing senior football at 16, but not really improve beyond their teenage years. Bellingham looks like a quality player, but it's no as if he's a technical wizard who is struggling to impose himself on games, due to lack of physical attributes and experience. This is his 4th full season of senior football. This isn't a 20 year old with a handful of appearances. Paul Scholes was nearly 20 when he made his senior debut and it wasn't because he wasn't as talented as Jude Bellingham.Think it's mental how many people are turning up their nose to Jude. Think people forget he's just 19 and playing at such a high standard already and will get better.
