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Benjamin Pavard
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Some of your questions are weird.
That's a good idea actually.
If we have big hopes for young Willy then the best move is Evans as it gives us cover in the CB department and time for Willy to get a full season at u21 an possibly integrated into the first team squad next season.
I think it requires a bit more nuanced consideration than that.
If they mostly play well in qualifiers against Andorra and the like it's not too exciting.
If they are performers in teams that win a World Cup then that is notable for me. You wouldn't base everything on that but it's part of a picture alongside club form that shows the class of player.
There seems to be a feeling amongst some he's no better at RB than AWB/Dalot (don't agree),however in that case then we clearly need to go for Todibo who is the CB
To be fair that feeling is absolutely mental.
Some idiots maybe.
Correct.Pavard is a top player. Obviously better than AWB and Dalot. Great experience at a good age. I'm a bit surprised that this is a possibility and I'll be extremely impressed if we get this over the line.
It's important he is actually sold on the role. I don't know if there's truth that he's sick of playing RB, or whether he is happy to cover it, but he does have a right to say that to a club and to have an expectation it will be delivered.
It's really part of a package that would attract a player, alongside money and other benefits. The same way that a player wants to be aware of their playing time. They don't get a guarantee at a top club necessarily, but the manager has to convince and make them feel wanted. If he makes it clear what position he wants and you go against it routinely (I'm sure he wouldn't mind the odd cover for the team) then a player would have a right to get annoyed with it. So for us to build up Pavard as covering all bases - it really depends. He might be seen by ETH as a CB and it is pitched to the player that way as well.
It's really part of a package that would attract a player, alongside money and other benefits. The same way that a player wants to be aware of their playing time. They don't get a guarantee at a top club necessarily, but the manager has to convince and make them feel wanted. If he makes it clear what position he wants and you go against it routinely (I'm sure he wouldn't mind the odd cover for the team) then a player would have a right to get annoyed with it. So for us to build up Pavard as covering all bases - it really depends. He might be seen by ETH as a CB and it is pitched to the player that way as well.
Isn't he better than both of our options at right back at the moment?Some of your questions are weird.
As mentioned by others, the main issue is that Pavard will to move is linked to not playing RB or at least not playing as much. Will he be convinved by the idea of being the starting RB and Varane's primary alternative? Or is he totally against the idea of being seen as the starting RB?
Which one do you think we will get out of the two?
Neither have ever been as good as Pavard, so yeah. But the question was amusing because Pavard has mainly been used as a RB.
We should be getting a quick centre back who is strong in the air to replace Maguire. With the potential to be first choice over Varane.
Anyways pavard would be ideal, good enough to be our starting right back and a decent enough center back, relives us of the need to buy two players when we could do it with one.
Sorry didn't realize you were being sardonic.
i’ve heard Fulham are looking for a CB too begs the question why they haven’t moved for him
Pavard also said he wanted to experience a new league, so he’s not leaving Bayern solely to become a CB elsewhere and there’s no way he’s in talks with us expecting to usurp Varane, a player he’s never ever been better than, so there has to be some kind of understanding he’ll either get PT as cover at CB, or he’ll be “vying” for the RB spot with two players who haven’t a hope against him, guaranteeing him PT regardless.
The guy wouldn’t be coming here on a prayer or to sit on our bench and I doubt he thinks Varane’s decrepit enough that he can take his spot directly.
The guy wouldn’t be coming here on a prayer or to sit on our bench and I doubt he thinks Varane’s decrepit enough that he can take his spot directly.
This signing, if it works out, will allow us time and space to scout for a top CB and top RB to come in as starters next summer when we no longer have the pressure of needing four or five players in one go. Lindelof was a good deputy for Varane over expended periods and there is no reason he can't continue in the same vein for one more season, at least.
Guys, I'm all in. I've already convinced myself that he's coming.
Bonjour, Benjy.
Bonjour, Benjy.
Salut Pavard! Bienvenue á Manchester! Tu es un rouge maintenant! Bon chance!Guys, I'm all in. I've already convinced myself that he's coming.
Bonjour, Benjy.
Ahh, oui oui oui!
Fine. But then it's Harry time.Guys, I'm all in. I've already convinced myself that he's coming.
Bonjour, Benjy.
Pavard would be not an impressive signing by any means. We’d rather get Todibo or Tabsoba
Would prefer Todibo. I don’t get the call for him to be right back. He’s not the type to be bombing down the wing and sending crosses and cutbacks in. He’s not going to be much of an upgrade on Awb or Dalot in terms of attacking fullbacks
Non non mon frère c’est Le seul temps de Pavard! Allez Benjamin!
We definitely need a right back (I wouldn't have renewed Dalot) but getting something in between a RB and CB for what is a physically weak squad would be a mistake in my opinion.
Mais Pavard n'est pas une bête sexy avec une connaissance shakespearienne de la langue anglaise, qui marque aussi beaucoup de buts.
Presque - pas pire!
Huge question marks over Pavard for me.
He’s an inconsistent performer, which is a concern for a 27yo defender. Also I’m not too sure about his mentality.
He’s rather average at defending, good but not exceptional, while offering close to nothing when played on the right.
To me he’s on par with Lindelof in terms of defensive abilities.
He’s an inconsistent performer, which is a concern for a 27yo defender. Also I’m not too sure about his mentality.
He’s rather average at defending, good but not exceptional, while offering close to nothing when played on the right.
To me he’s on par with Lindelof in terms of defensive abilities.
So 27 years old Pavard most likely will be less expensive than Maguire You can’t make that up.
You can’t make that up.Is he really good enough at CB?
I've gone on a full journey with this transfer just today, but I am leaning towards Todibo as my preferred option.
Would be brilliant in our system and can be the inverted RB that most of the top teams are using these days. A back 5 of Onana, Shaw, Martinez, Varane and Pavard sounds brilliant! Make it happen.
Yeah I know what you mean,only reason I am leaning towards Pavard because I'm not sure Erik knows who he wants to succeed Varane yet
One day we will all be United on signing someone
Hopefully not. They tend to flop when that is the case (Di Maria, Pogba, Sancho, Schweinsteiger come to mind)
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