i don't care how it affects my top red status, i loved watching him as a player. one of my top 10 favourite players ever.
Yeah, I said it.
Yeah, I said it.
Bergkamp is overrated.
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Bergkamp was a bit like Shearer (not in style); both fantastic forwards, brilliant in the 1990's, but I think history has papered over the cracks where there were several barren years at the turn of the Century. Both seemed to come back to life towards the end of their careers again.
Bergkamp's scoring record was also quite poor and he rarely managed 30 games. It doesn't mean he wasn't a brilliant player, but I'm deliberately finding holes because the context seems to be about 'greatest ever' lists.
Bergkamp's scoring record was also quite poor and he rarely managed 30 games. It doesn't mean he wasn't a brilliant player, but I'm deliberately finding holes because the context seems to be about 'greatest ever' lists.
Bergkamp was a class act for the Bummers and Nederlands, sublime skills, football brain and could be a dirty g*t when needed.....so I've no arguments about his status in the game, and if the Bummers had anything about them, they'd have employed him in their coaching/management set-up ...instead, Ajax will get the benefit of his knowledge.
Glad he did ne score that pen in the SF replay in 99 though :-))))
Glad he did ne score that pen in the SF replay in 99 though :-))))
He was Inter's best player in his debut season but the next one was a failure, in part due to injuries.
Agree on Romario. Better than Fat Ron.
You're most probably right. I've only watched a handful of his games at Inter (a couple of full games, and some extended clips). On those games, seems like everyone wanted to be the creative force, and not fully using Bergkamp as their main fulcrum.
Arsenal's Van Persie
Well you also have Ramires in your current favorite players to watch
That goal of his against Newcastle everyone fawns over should have been a yellow card against him for raising his hands to the opponent. It was a blatant foul.
I think you're fishing, mate. It's still the best goal I think I've ever seen.
Even now, ten years on, I don't understand how he did it, or even how he had the audacity to try it. With almost every other goal that's heralded as one of the best of all time - a thirty-yarder into the top corner, a scorching volley into the roof of the net, an audacious chip, a dribble past a number of defenders culminating in a goal etc. - practically every one of those you'd fancy yourself to recreate if given a football and enough chances.
I personally think I'd be there for eternity and not recreate what Bergkamp did that night at St. James' Park. One of those jaw-dropping moments you never forget and a goal that makes football worth watching.
Nothing wrong with the way he used his arms.
I don't think you can really say he was overrated... not 13th best player of all time or whatever but still in his own right one of the top players the PL has seen.
Probably in a tier below Ronaldo and Henry in terms of all time PL greats though.
Probably in a tier below Ronaldo and Henry in terms of all time PL greats though.
was he feck
Romario better than the original Ronaldo? I don't think so.
Romario's goal scoring record, his longevity in particular, is astonishing. And yes, he had a 3-4 stretch where he was all that. That shimmy and dish he put on the USA back line for the Bebeto goal in 1994, which I was privileged to check out, was fantastic. I think it was 1994 when he voted World POY. He was all that.
But he was no Ronaldo. At least not the Ronaldo before he suffered those crazy injuries. THAT Ronaldo was all that, the kind of footballer who really should be mentioned in the same breath as Pele, Messi and Maradona (in that order).
I won't go so far as to say it's no-brainer. Romario was for a while unplayable too. But Ronaldo had the complete package and it's a shame his career was blighted by injuries. He really could have pushed the limits Pele set.
you certainly know how to talk shit
I think Nils-Eric Johansson, late of Blackburn, might disagree with you there. Bergkamp was a hell of a footballer but he had a nasty streak to him that came out pretty frequently. Having said that, he did get a lot of stick from defenders and maybe some of the rough stuff was justified, but stamping on someone is unacceptable no matter what. Oh, and I include Cantona in that.
Well done! For a moment I thought you were serious.
I always thought, and don't crucify me here, that Bergkamp was in the catalyst for Arsenal's change.
The style of play he brought to the club was something they lacked majorly before came to the club and possibly was an eye opener. I thought that in the 1996/1997 season. Maybe it seems far fetched but thats what I think. His style of play was completely against the grain of what Arsenal were dong at the time
The style of play he brought to the club was something they lacked majorly before came to the club and possibly was an eye opener. I thought that in the 1996/1997 season. Maybe it seems far fetched but thats what I think. His style of play was completely against the grain of what Arsenal were dong at the time
Still think giving him a statue's a bit much.
A statue??? feck off!!!...I haven't read much of this thread! Since when???
The feck is that??? Whatever makes them happy I suppose
EDIT: It looks like the evil terminator in terminator 2
It looks like the product of Koscielny and Vermaelen's combined loins.
Club legend. Deserves it.
Do you think Gary Neville deserves a statue outside OT?
I couldn't give a feck. I generally find the whole practice of erecting statues rather pointless. But looking at it from the club's point of view, Bergkamp deserves more than most to have a statue outside Ashburton Grove, a stadium which was constructed due to a significant contribution from him.
Does Ian Wright has one?
Couldn't agree more.
And he deserves it just for being that brilliant, even if the statue per se is cheesy.
People who claim they didn't appreciate Bergkamp are either outright lying, partisan to the point of insanity, or incapable of understanding anything about football.
Overrated or not, I don't care. 1 of my favourite none United players ever. Fact.
You have to wonder how Arsenal would have got on in Europe had he not been such a pansy though.
You have to wonder how Arsenal would have got on in Europe had he not been such a pansy though.
Statues are a load of old bollox unless you're dead - the sculptors they choose are cnuts,
No discussion of statues can go without this.
They're pretty much bollox even if you're dead, I think -- but at least if that's the case you don't have to actually see the monstrosity.
And I'd say the cnuts are those who commission the staues rather than the artists. They always go for the Yngwie Malmsteen's of the plastic arts.
Googled "Bergkamp statue", and found this:
