There's a lot more differences between us and City than this simplistic garbage.The difference between us and City is that Pep has outmanaged Jose in terms of tactics and player management. Pep won the league last year and it had feck all to do with his transfers and everything to do with coaching his players properly and creating the appropriate environment for them to thrive and be successful.
Who are Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, PSG and Manchester City's good players?All the best teams in Europe have some "good" players. They can't all be world beaters whose names end in vowels.
He inherited four starters from that side - De Gea who is great, and Rooney/Carrick who are finished. Of the other players Jones and Smalling have the same issues they've always had with either injuries and inconsistency. Valencia has improved under Mourinho and found a new role after looking horrendous at RW for years, including that Ferguson season. Same too with Ashley Young. Improved by Mourinho.He inherited at least 6 Fergie era players who had won the league. What a terrible predicament for a new manager to be in.
Juventus have quite a few actually, City as well when it comes to CB.Who are Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, PSG and Manchester City's good players?
What an orgy of nonsense.There's a lot more differences between us and City than this simplistic garbage.
They have outspent every side in the world including PSG by a ridiculous margin for a decade. They had been preparing for Guardiola for 3 years. They have outspent us in the market considerably since Guardiola and Mourinho arrived. They had a far better squad to work with, hence why he took the job.
I'm not saying Mourinho hasn't been better but to say it's "feck all" to do with spending when they're literally a state funded club, when they've literally spent more than anyone else in that time is laughable. You're terrible at making a coherent point - There's so much more to what's gone in the last two years than uh, Pep good, Jose bad. Get a grip.
All league winners under Fergie. The common denominator being that we once had a manager who could take seemingly just "good" players and coach them to punch well above their collective weight.He inherited four starters from that side - De Gea who is great, and Rooney/Carrick who are finished. Of the other players Jones and Smalling have the same issues they've always had with either injuries and inconsistency. Valencia has improved under Mourinho and found a new role after looking horrendous at RW for years, including that Ferguson season. Same too with Ashley Young. Improved by Mourinho.
Such a great predicament. Aguero, Silva, Kompany and De Bruyne don't hold a candle to such quality.
Have a look at their rosters. They all have squad players who aren't considered world class.Who are Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, PSG and Manchester City's good players?
So how come he finished fourth in his first season then, and had to sign about twenty players and spend about £1/2Billion?The difference between us and City is that Pep has outmanaged Jose in terms of tactics and player management. Pep won the league last year and it had feck all to do with his transfers and everything to do with coaching his players properly and creating the appropriate environment for them to thrive and be successful.
Its quickly forgotten when you play attractive football and win the league the following year. If he didn't do one (or both) then you can bet there would be some serious question asked.So how come he finished fourth in his first season then, and had to sign about twenty players and spend about £1/2Billion?
Is that just ignored?
Jose's ridiculous amount of money seen him finish ahead of every side he outspent. If spending is so important than you then you should be more empathetic than most to finish 2nd. Our position to City last season is almost exactly in line with how the two clubs have spent in that time - In fact the points total is closer than the spending. They gave Guardiola everything he needed and more to get what they want. A nation state running a propaganda operation will do that.What an orgy of nonsense.
Jose has had a ridiculous amount of money to work with over the past couple of years and has not produced a league or even a CL semi. No one wanted him here more than I did, but at the end of the day after two years we deserve a hell of a lot more than the incremental, one step forward two steps back, park the bus style he has produced while breaking the bank each summer.
No, I was responding to your assertion that his success had feck all to do with his twenty transfers and £1/2Billion spend.Its quickly forgotten when you play attractive football and win the league the following year. If he didn't do one (or both) then you can bet there would be some serious question asked.
Juventus have quite a few actually, City as well when it comes to CB.
Really? Where?Have a look at their rosters. They all have squad players who aren't considered world class.
It wasn't last summer. Do you think he won the league because he signed the likes of Danilo and Mendy ? Of course not. He won it because he got his players to perform as he wanted them to, which requires a degree of high quality coaching.No, I was responding to your assertion that his success wasn’t about signing players.
It quite clearly is. If he doesn’t get the players that suit him he isn’t successful. And he binned off a few after only one season.
They were f*cking squad players or were aging. The success of that squad had either little to do with them or else they were seriously depleted. Are you just f*cking trolling me or do you seriously believe Mourinho just didn't do enough with Wayne Rooney and Michael Carrick?All league winners under Fergie. The common denominator being that we once had a manager who could take seemingly just "good" players and coach them to punch well above their collective weight.
Have a look at the CL finalists and semi finalists over the past couple of years. Do you think Liverpool were stacked with 11 world beaters ? What about Monaco the year before ?Really? Where?
Bare in mind we're talking starting 11s as that's what Mata, Lingard and Darmian are, not squad players.
Liverpool and Monaco are not the benchmark.Have a look at the CL finalists and semi finalists over the past couple of years. Do you think Liverpool were stacked with 11 world beaters ? What about Monaco the year before ?
Darmian and Mata aren't starters. Don't give Raoul ammunition to make a point when he's absolutely embarrassed himself.Really? Where?
Bare in mind we're talking starting 11s as that's what Mata, Lingard and Darmian are, not squad players.
Cuadradao, Emre Can, Khedira, Mandzukic for Juve isn't anything special. For City their CB's are not very good, but are covered by Pep's system. Look at the state of Otamendi at the WC for example.Really? Where?
Bare in mind we're talking starting 11s as that's what Mata, Lingard and Darmian are, not squad players.
Yes he hasn't done enough with the resources he has been given here. That's the entire point. Let me know when he wins a league or CL and then we can have chat about how awesome he is.They were f*cking squad players or were aging. The success of that squad had either little to do with them or else they were seriously depleted. Are you just f*cking trolling me or do you seriously believe Mourinho just didn't do enough with Wayne Rooney and Michael Carrick?
This is garbage.
No, we had a manager who could pad out a team of established World Class players with ‘good players’. It took Fergie an awful long time to be successful, and he was then able to systematically build on that success.All league winners under Fergie. The common denominator being that we once had a manager who could take seemingly just "good" players and coach them to punch well above their collective weight.
They are the sides who have had success in the CL over the past couple of years. At least they have done far better than we have so let us all pause to pay homage to the world class statuses of the likes of Bakayoko, Jordan Henderson, Llalana, Milner et al.Liverpool and Monaco are not the benchmark.
Thing is, those 5 or 6 were the weakest links from that Fergie team at the time, bar a massively improved De Gea.He inherited at least 6 Fergie era players who had won the league. What a terrible predicament for a new manager to be in.
You're terrible at this.Yes he hasn't done enough with the resources he has been given here. That's the entire point. Let me know when he wins a league or CL and then we can have chat about how awesome he is.
You don't think the likes of Terry and Drogba weren't ageing during Jose's 2nd stint at the bridge ?Thing is, those 5 or 6 were the weakest links from that Fergie team at the time, bar a massively improved De Gea.
Jones, Smalling, Young, Valencia (and an almost retired Carrick.)
It's not like Jose inherited Giggs, Scholes, Ferdinand, Evra, Herdandez & RvP.
That's what happened when he won the league at Chelsea last time out, he had: Cech, Ivanovic, Terry, Azpili, Fabregas, Hazard, Drogba, Costa.
Jose won't win the league until he matches or outspends City. That's Jose. That is the man Woodward picked and extended his contract in January.
Yes but they were world class players in their prime. Not a Smalling or Jones. He had far more to work with, plus there was no Pep, so the bar has been risenYou don't think the likes of Terry and Drogba weren't ageing during Jose's 2nd stint at the bridge ?
I don't even know what you're arguing about (nor probably do you). The overarching point I've made is that Mourinho has underachieved and that we should expect more of him based on the amount of money he has spent on players who are barely making a difference for us. That's a perfectly normal position to take based on past results and the style of football he has served up.You're terrible at this.
You made a point and are now deflecting. You specifically alluded to the group of David De Gea, Phil Jones, Chris Smalling, Antonio Valencia, Ashley Young, Wayne Rooney and Michael Carrick as to reasons why Mourinho should be winning league titles from 2017-2018. Do you stand by this absolute garbage or do I have to go back and use the quote?
You've had a shocker mate. Must be taking the United win hard. Go and lie down.
So you are trolling. Glad that's confirmed.You don't think the likes of Terry and Drogba weren't ageing during Jose's 2nd stint at the bridge ?
They were a number of years ago but certainly not during Jose's 2nd stint - they were both well into their 30s at that point and no different than the likes of Carrick and Rooney in terms of productivity in recent years. The likes of Costa and Hazard were the primary water carriers.Yes but they were world class players. Not a Smalling or Jones. He had far more to work with, plus there was no Pep, so the bar has been risen
How many goals did Drogba contribute during his recent year at Chelsea ?So you are trolling. Glad that's confirmed.
Darmian and Mata aren't starters. Don't give Raoul ammunition to make a point when he's absolutely embarrassed himself.
@Irish Jet Actually Darmian was an attempted trap, because the starter is Valencia, and Lingard/Mata were the two Raoul himself identified on the previous page.Cuadradao, Emre Can, Khedira, Mandzukic for Juve isn't anything special. For City their CB's are not very good, but are covered by Pep's system. Look at the state of Otamendi at the WC for example.
And Darmian is not a starter for us.
Well not really success because they registered about one impressive win then got knocked out. And do you want to finish 4th in the PL or apply for Ligue 1?They are the sides who have had success in the CL over the past couple of years. At least they have done far better than we have so let us all pause to pay homage to the world class statuses of the likes of Bakayoko, Jordan Henderson, Llalana, Milner et al.
You're overarching point is terrible.I don't even know what you're arguing about (nor probably do you). The overarching point I've made is that Mourinho has underachieved and that we should expect more of him based on the amount of money he has spent on players who are barely making a difference for us. That's a perfectly normal position to take based on past results and the style of football he has served up.
You cannot be serious.How many goals did Drogba contribute during his recent year at Chelsea ?
Drogba was well past his best when he returned to Chelsea. Didn't offer much and they'd have probably been fine without him provided they had another backup striker in his place.How many goals did Drogba contribute during his recent year at Chelsea ?
As I was saying earlier - if they don't trust his transfer decisions then there's little reason as to why he should still be at the club. It'd be different if we didn't have the funds available - the suggestion is that we did, and Mourinho's preferences were denied. That's a fairly serious undermining of the manager and suggests they're not happy with him. And if that's the case, why are they persisting with him?Our starting CB pair today cost less combined than Maguire would have cost, so the board\Woody was right in denying Mou a new CB.
Going public is just idiotic though. A DOF would have kept his mouth shut and instead signed a player or two for positions where we are actually lacking, like RW and RB\LB.
Cuadrado, Mandzukic, Matuidi, Felipe Luis, Savic etc. None of these are world beaters yet have managed to find roles in very good sides.@Irish Jet
Well not really success because they registered about one impressive win then got knocked out. And do you want to finish 4th in the PL or apply for Ligue 1?
I'd like you to elaborate on this logic.Our starting CB pair today cost less combined than Maguire would have cost, so the board\Woody was right in denying Mou a new CB.
That's the entire point. He was like 35 or 36 when he came back and can hardly be looked at as any more productive than Fergie's holdovers like Rooney and Carrick when our recent managers took over.Drogba was well past his best when he returned to Chelsea. Didn't offer much and they'd have probably been fine without him provided they had another backup striker in his place.
Its not rocket science.You cannot be serious.
