Surely not being able to conclude deals is an issue?
Mou deserves to go mental if he doesn't get some decent additions
Board vs Jose
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Mou deserves to go mental if he doesn't get some decent additions
It was more of a Lindelof vs Michael Keane.
I'm sure he will be found out in his next job. I hope it isn't at Old Trafford.
did he really say Woodward is on holiday?
Exactly, wasn't like it was out of the blue was it.
Anybody who's backing the board over Mourinho doesn't have the best interests of Manchester United at heart.
Ask yourself who wants the title more? The Glazers or Mourinho?
The Glazers are only interested in the financial side of the game. Top 4 and no top 4 is a big financial plummet so they spend to get in there. Winning the title is a sporting success that doesn't really reward too much more money wise than coming 2nd.
They have a top 4 squad and are happy with it. Look at what City did last summer and what Liverpool are doing this summer. They're building on what they have.
I think some on here need to give their heads a wobble.
Ask yourself who wants the title more? The Glazers or Mourinho?
The Glazers are only interested in the financial side of the game. Top 4 and no top 4 is a big financial plummet so they spend to get in there. Winning the title is a sporting success that doesn't really reward too much more money wise than coming 2nd.
They have a top 4 squad and are happy with it. Look at what City did last summer and what Liverpool are doing this summer. They're building on what they have.
I think some on here need to give their heads a wobble.
Any transfer is, in realty, a process of risk taking.
If the transfer is ok, player integrates -> Jose is awesome
If the transfer is shite, player can't integrate -> Jose is shite . See where I;m going with this?
The manager picks a player that he likes in a particular environment, Lindelof at Benfica, Bailly at Villareal or whatever. He has no guarantee of the transfer result, if the player can integrate and be okay or not. That's the part of taking a risk and you, as a manger trying to bed in and improve the player, but that's not all up to you.
It's not like Jose is stupid and doesn't know how to integrate a player in a new league, new team and so on, or, at least, it' not like he's not trying and not wishing the player to do alright. At this given moment, after these steps, he's kind of done. It's up to the player.
You were speaking about Bailly and Lidelof. Well, where's Jose's fault in Bailly being injured half the season and Lindelof being weak mentally and overall a big pwsy? If you watched the WC, where Lidelof moved to a familiar environment, he played well, quite well. The thing is doing it at Man United, which is not the same thing and not entirely Jose's fault.
I'm not trying to defend Jose, I like the guy but I hate how he changed into a grumpy man from an angry man. But, when speaking about transfers people need to realize that the manager got those defenders at that particular time by applying a particular logic, which is not a guarantee that they will be in the starting 11 a year later. It's just a hit or miss process, bashing the guy's process of taking players in(which I suppose is the same with all of them) is a bit idiotic imo, no personal offence intended.
Or every decade on current form?
I see Zidane at Juventus next; success will follow. As long as these ex players are tactically capable as alot of midfielders are - managing their clubs from their playing careers ensures a level of best interest & understanding the club's type of football that can breed success much deeper than a manager with just a few successful tactics & experience.
United need to go for a Manager of our own next.
It's become an awful comedic reference between our fans on the Internet, but I would have loved to have seen Giggs given a chance. I know that there was an out of context video which convinced many the opposite, but I'd rather we risk it with one of our own.
I won't back either, really. Obviously I want the manager to get what he wants in terms of players, but I don't believe Mourinho will take us anywhere.
is it really wise to give Jose another 200m to spend it on players the next manager will not use/have a problem to get rid of? Maybe they are not confident that he can convert the investment he´s had so far into anything and are getting ready for another manager to back who is just not available or ready:-) I am sure they would question him for getting Bailly and Lindelof for about 60m who were not able to adapt or perform being outperformed by academy products or players who are at the club for long like Smalling.
BTW, this all "Board vs Mou" is just speculation. What can board do when Real asks for 250m for Bale who is injury prone and Mou says he wants him or 80m for Perisic/Willian whos price will go down right nthe first season... I don´t know but United if we are after unrealistic targets who´s mistake it is? Surely it is Moyes all over again
Andy Mittens latest piece suggests Mourinho wants a Left Back, but the Board aren't sanctioning it.
It comes down to the glazers using the club to line their own pockets. They will spend as little as possible to keep us in the top four and as long as their profits keep flowing they will be content. Contrast that with City who have owners that will spend when and where its needed to keep them at the top. We can make excuses about City being funded by oil but we make more profit than any other club in the world. How long do we settle for being the new Arsenal.
I refuse to believe this. We've spent a shitload the past 5 years! When this all inevitably goes tits up, Jose will rightly be blamed.This is a question which I would like answered.
I don't believe we are going to play him for more than a few minutes this season, so why did Jose buy him?
Surely, the board could not have forced him to buy Dalot - no players get bought unless Jose gives the green light.
You cannot argue with the Martial fanboys.
I have no issue with Martial, but if it means it gets rid of his fanboys, I say, sell him and use that money on a better player.
He is a bench player for his club and isn't good enough to play for his club. Those are the facts and the Martial fanboys seem blind to this. In their eyes, no doubt, he is the reigning Ball on Dor.
We've spent a lot for a Liverpool type of club. We're the biggest football business in the world. We're by no means flexing our muscle as much as we can. We saw what money can do with Sanchez.
All this nonsense about a lot of money being spent is also (to say the least) mildly infuriating. We've barely got any players left from our two other post-Fergie managers (and the ones remaining are the worst ones - Darmian and Tree) and Mourinho has not bought enough players, no matter their cost.
Look at the amount of players City have brought to their club after already having (arguably) the best spine in the league for Guardiola. It's just that they spend on very good players who fit their system, not perceived superstars (who then go on to flop). And if they get it wrong, they spend again. It's not coincidence they finished 20 points ahead of us.
I always felt this was half the truth. My contention is related to what's been discussed plenty in the Director of Football thread. We really should have one. It would, in my opinion, help mitigate some of this manager versus board/ceo conflict. I think we'd also see a more consistent and effective transfer policy regardless of who is manager at the time.
I understand where you are you coming from, but still disagree. Mainly, its not even Woody in particular that I'm having issues with. It's the board of directors as a whole. As I'm noting above, I think the lack of a footballing director is a really big issue. The spending you mention, while great, was not done in a really sustainable or effective way. The number of large deadline day deals (Falcao, Martial, Fellaini that I can think of off top of my head) is so indicative of a really, really poor process. And that's not the manager to blame. I don't even want to put it all on Woodward. Go up the channel and sort it out with a DOF. Maybe that's not the perfect solution, but the problem needs addressing.
And this season, the manager and scouts have done their homework well in advance. If you look at these previous transfer windows, there's no reason to think we will have a smooth window. Come deadline day again and I'd not be surprised to see some big money thrown around as a last ditch effort.
It's almost reactionary. Tie Fergie and Gill's hands with transfers. Have so little footballing management ability as to then go forward with Sir Alex's nepotistic pick for successor (that's no slight on the man...everyone makes mistakes but a fecking businessman should know better than to have let this happen even without the footballing pedigree). And then the Woodward chapter, building Disneyland, splashing money in a manner that's just not effective enough for me , expecting it to undo the previous decisions.
Take the manager out of the equation. Take woodward out of the equation. I still see an issue.
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Holidays? From what? Do your job and then take a 9 month holiday during the season you Glazer feckwit.
Pretty sure he did the same last year. I don't know how how we operate behind the scenes but him being in holiday is either very naive or just simply means we've finished spending, unless somebody else has the responsibility for concluding deals.
Basically it's anybody's guess.
Basically it's anybody's guess.
One thing that slightly annoys me is this list of players thing, i genuinely hope there are many alternatives to players he's listed, as opposed to our constant chase of Perisic with no alternative when we tried to sign him before
Isnt it 4 years?
Woodward on holiday with the window closing in about 2 weeks? I think its fair to say we shouldn't expect anything at this point.
Wasn’t that confirmed to be Bs?
Honestly I can see where you’re coming from to an extent. Ever since the Moyes debacle, I have also strongly believed that we needed a DOF. We should have tried to get players from the best fergie era teams involved in the set up at United, like VDS who we let go to Ajax, I’m sure ex players like him would have had a lot to offer the club, and no matter what, I whole heartedly agree with you that we need a DOF. We need some kind of continuinity in what we’re trying to achieve as a club, and that won’t come from businessmen.
What I don’t agree with is using that as an excuse for managerial underperforming, though I guess we won’t be able to see eye to eye on that.
Not only vs board:
Mourinho vs Pogba
Mourinho vs Martial
Mourinho vs Pogba
Mourinho vs Martial
I think the board have reservations over Jose's targets due to his misses in the transfer market. He bought Bailly and Lindelof and hasn't even played them together yet. The experience with backing LvG only to buy a bunch of duds has left the board scarred and cautious I suppose.
But regardless of squad quality, would not a front 3 of Sanchez-Lukaku-Lingard with Pogba behind them be capable of scoring 60 goals between them if it was another manager? While Klopp (with Liverpool), Poch and Sarri are yet to win major trophies, give any one of them this front four and they would probably score a lot of goals with fluid attacking play.
I sympathise with Jose regarding the FB situation. But when it comes to forwards, while a RW may be required, one could get more out of the attack even without a new RW with proper tactics and coaching.
But regardless of squad quality, would not a front 3 of Sanchez-Lukaku-Lingard with Pogba behind them be capable of scoring 60 goals between them if it was another manager? While Klopp (with Liverpool), Poch and Sarri are yet to win major trophies, give any one of them this front four and they would probably score a lot of goals with fluid attacking play.
I sympathise with Jose regarding the FB situation. But when it comes to forwards, while a RW may be required, one could get more out of the attack even without a new RW with proper tactics and coaching.
FFS, one numpty on twitter made up some shit and people are using that to have a go at Woodward.
This is fake tweet. I can't seem to find this quote anywhere.
Do a basic search before posting fake quotes like this.
The Board will always come out on top. Mourinho's antics won't cut it here, and the board will get rid if he doesn't show he is worthy of being Manchester United manager in every way. This could be his last season if there are no trophies and we are not challenging for the Premiership.
Is this supposed to be a dig at Woodward?
Completely agree.
If he takes on Pogba it will be the end for him.
Pogba is in a position of strength coming back from summer a World Cup winner and having finally won the media round (with the narrative that Mourinho isn’t getting the best out of him)
He also seems like he’s one of the most popular guys in the dressing room especially with the younger players.
I like your common sense.
Yes, he always goes on holiday this time of year
I assume it is a verbal quote
What...?
What did he mean by you can’t “find” the quote?