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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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Camy89

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This is fascinating.

It's almost as if they haven't had 3 years to come up with a deal.
 

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Freedom of movement has always been there since the beginning. There's no EU army.
The EU of today is not the same as the one UK voted to be in decades ago, shouldn't even need to said really. Never said there was a EU army.

For anyone just reading this, I'm for fully remaining. Paul the Wolf seems to be in the 1970s and I'm not sure where this is going.
 

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I'm really curious as to what the EU and Ireland do about the border in the case of a 'no deal' scenario. Presumably they won't implement a hard border or put up border infrastructure (not that it's even practically possible to do in the short term, regardless of politics), and yet they will be looking to abide by the rules of the single market. If they find some way to square those things without NI remaining in the customs union or single market, the Brexiters will say 'ha, the backstop to avoid a hard border was a ruse all along'.
Our government talked a bit about this a few months back, they kind of rowed back on it after and said they didn't mean it because it was politically ... problematic basically. They kind of mooted creating a temporary border - we had one during the mad cow disease thing on all agricultural products.
I'll think they'll just delay and hope the uk blinks first basically. We're good at fudging rules.
Even a hard border would be leaky and ridiculous though so it would be a problem thats not going to go away.
 

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can't see Corbyn caving now

he'd just be agreeing to take joint blame, basically
 
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I've not long completed Mass Effect 3 again.

The Tories wanted the 'Control' ending with May's deal, but it didn't work so we were all lined up for the destroy ending with no-deal Brexit, but it seems late-doors, May has plumped for synthesis.

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Not hard to see who to blame if we lurch out without a deal. Hint: the blue lot.
 
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He's a million times more intelligent than Trump, even if he likes to be seen as a bit of a buffoon. I don't know if that makes him more or less of a danger, really. Trump is exceptionally duplicitous and has supreme self-confidence, which can get you a very long way in politics - obviously.
I completely disagree. Trump managed to become president while Boris's attempt to become PM was ended by a lizard. He has a larger vocabulary than Trump, that's it. Watching him cry about the current state of brexit makes my blood boil.
 

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I was listening to radio five this morning and they were interviewing a Tory MP, didn't catch his name.

He was very unhappy that TM was to discuss a way forward with the most left wing opposition for decades. He then went on a typical rant about Labour, completely missing the point that the only possible option left (I was going to say remaining) was to get cross party consensus.

To me it just summed up the whole problem. Our politicians have descended into the same level as opposing football supporters.
Both hating eachother and chanting obscenities at eachother and yet both loving the game.
 

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If the WA has been this tedious, imagine how bad a future relationship discussion is going to be? The idea we can come up with one in three years is a fantasy.
 

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I completely disagree. Trump managed to become president while Boris's attempt to become PM was ended by a lizard. He has a larger vocabulary than Trump, that's it. Watching him cry about the current state of brexit makes my blood boil.
I don't think Trump would have a snowflake's chance in hell of succeeding in British politics. :)
 

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If the WA has been this tedious, imagine how bad a future relationship discussion is going to be? The idea we can come up with one in three years is a fantasy.
Easiest trade deal in history mate, havent you been listening?
 

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Not hard to see who to blame if we lurch out without a deal. Hint: the blue lot.
You could just as easily blame Labour for not supporting May’s deal. The deadlock is due to the political system itself.
 

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Owen Smith the lying scumbag on skynews talking about wanting custom union and single market. He literally voted against both these things 2 days ago
 

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You could just as easily blame Labour for not supporting May’s deal. The deadlock is due to the political system itself.
There is plenty of blame to go around and Labour deserve some of it, but the vast bulk of it lies with the Tories. Brexit is a Tory project and they have made a dreadful mess of it.

Unfortunately, what was once a party obsession, has become a national obsession, and we've diminished ourselves on the international stage and likely taken a wrecking ball to our economy as a result.
 

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I thought something like this would happen. Jezzer seems to have jumped on board with the idea too. I reckon she has dangled a GE at him to get her deal across the line. It is just the exit part, and that is what she sees as her mission. After that she probably doesn't care anymore. In any case such thinking has some merit IMO. Jezz doesn't care much about the DUP and will probably relish pissing them off by passing the WA (ditto ERG).
The argument then will be totally about the future relationship. Everything will be on the table including the Canada+++ FTA.

In a GE, with a new Tory leader and the WA passed, parties will be much more able to state a clear position in their manifestos. Tories will probably go on an FTA (no SM or CU), Labour might go on 'a' CU/close alignment blah blah.

From May's POV she can stick two fingers up to the likes of Boris saying - you wanted to be PM, so there you go. Knowing that he will have to fight his own party to get the leadership and then Labour to get into No. 10.
 

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There is plenty of blame to go around and Labour deserve some of it, but the vast bulk of it lies with the Tories. Brexit is a Tory project and they have made a dreadful mess of it.

Unfortunately, what was once a party obsession, has become a national obsession, and we've diminished ourselves on the international stage and likely taken a wrecking ball to our economy as a result.
They opened Pandora’s Box, I’m just talking about where are right now.

The Tories actively want no deal.
That makes Labour more culpable for not compromising, not less.
 

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You could just as easily blame Labour for not supporting May’s deal. The deadlock is due to the political system itself.
Which party decided to have a referendum?

Which party has since ‘led’ the negotiations?
 

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They opened Pandora’s Box, I’m just talking about where are right now.

That makes Labour more culpable for not compromising, not less.
Culpable for what? Labour shouldn't be in the position to choose between a bad deal and no deal. That's on the Tories and specifically May.

If we go out with no deal May is the only reason, it's mostly in her power to extend or compromise.
 

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Culpable for what? Labour shouldn't be in the position to choose between a bad deal and no deal. That's on the Tories and specifically May.

If we go out with no deal May is the only reason, it's mostly in her power to extend or compromise.
If Labour voted for May’s deal it would pass, simple as that.
 

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If Labour voted for May’s deal it would pass, simple as that.
Funny you quoted the answer:
Culpable for what? Labour shouldn't be in the position to choose between a bad deal and no deal. That's on the Tories and specifically May.

If we go out with no deal May is the only reason, it's mostly in her power to extend or compromise.
The UK HoC is not the China People's Congress who just rubber stamp everything.
 

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To me it just summed up the whole problem. Our politicians have descended into the same level as opposing football supporters.
Both hating eachother and chanting obscenities at eachother and yet both loving the game.
Except using your football supporter analogy, it's like United fans actively seeking relegation in an attempt to stop Liverpool winning the league. Even though Liverpool aren't going to win the league anyway and United going down would have no bearing either way.
 

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They opened Pandora’s Box, I’m just talking about where are right now.



That makes Labour more culpable for not compromising, not less.
Risky game they are playing as they still may get the hard Brexit they don't want, possibly barring a few who are pandering to their electorates.

And Corbyn is fecking useless but the Tories deserve the vast majority of the blame. Cameron started the shit show. ERG types have wanted hard Brexit from the start IMO. May has been utterly pathetic. So they are all shit but the Tories own this fiasco.
 
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If Labour voted for May’s deal it would pass, simple as that.
If May compromised it would pass, simple as that.

To use a bad analogy Maybot has us driving out of control and is giving her passengers the choice between driving off a cliff or into a wall and you're blaming the passengers for shouting for her to avoid both? If they end off the cliff it's their fault?

Surely its simple logic that if someone is needlessly enforcing two bad choices then the subjects of that aren't to blame the enforcer is
 

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The EU of today is not the same as the one UK voted to be in decades ago, shouldn't even need to said really. Never said there was a EU army.

For anyone just reading this, I'm for fully remaining. Paul the Wolf seems to be in the 1970s and I'm not sure where this is going.
I don't think it's me that's stuck in the seventies.

You said the EU had changed - you mentioned foM and an EU Army. The idea from the beginning was to encompass more and more countries in Europe. We're all still separate nations.
If anyone's stuck in the seventies to think it would stay just as nine countries is a little bit naïve. I hope more countries become part. You couldn't be more wrong.
 

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Christ, if ever you needed reminding of what a bunch of tossers the Tories are.

I've criticised and been disappointed with Corbyn and Labour throughout this whole fiasco but they're not even in the same galaxy as those cnuts.
This supposed compromise is really an attempt to drag Labour down with them. Its disgusting but I don't have much sympathy for Labour either. Sad reality is, both will recover from this because our political system will not allow an outside party to be in control.
 

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If May compromised it would pass, simple as that.
Exactly my point, both sides are doing the same thing.

To use a bad analogy Maybot has us driving out of control and is giving her passengers the choice between driving off a cliff or into a wall and you're blaming the passengers for shouting for her to avoid both? If they end off the cliff it's their fault?

Surely its simple logic that if someone is needlessly enforcing two bad choices then the subjects of that aren't to blame the enforcer is
Trouble is, there's no consensus over what constitutes a "good" choice, as the indicative votes have made clear, so that argument doesnt really follow. Whatever solution is offered, a majority of MPs disagree with it, so the deadlock continues.
 

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This supposed compromise is really an attempt to drag Labour down with them. Its disgusting but I don't have much sympathy for Labour either. Sad reality is, both will recover from this because our political system will not allow an outside party to be in control.
if labour dont have the political nouce to avoid the trap that everybody can see then frankly they deserve to be dragged down...
 

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probably if may / coybyn agree and announce anything will be the time...
If May and Corbyn join forces, then arm in arm lead us out of the EU to a soft Brexit, it would probably break both parties in half. And for that reason, well, I just dont see it happening.