Technically we have said we won't install and border infra and therefore won't be in breach
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I think the whole of the rest of Europe want the whole thing over with. It's only the UK clinging on. Johnson's off to see Macron and Merkel to tell them that he will commit suicide if the EU don't drop the backstop.
Open borders for everyone!
What and spoil all the intrigue leading up to and including Halloween?
Will Boris call HM at Balmoral at the dead of night to tell her he wants to prorogue parliament (bet she will enjoy that)?
Will Bercow lose his head and/or be sent to the tower?
Will Corbyn stand on the steps of No.10 for a photograph of him becoming the temporary first Marxist PM?
Will Dominic Grieve go off into the Remainer wilderness, shouting and screaming and wearing sack-clothe and ashes, muttering "I'll be back"?
Will the new Lib-Dem leader say "sorry I didn't realise what sort of job this was" and then retire to the backbenches to spend more time with her family?
Will Caroline Lucas suggest a government of national unity made up entirely of Ken Dodd's Diddy-men, Mick the Marmaliser as Chancellor (after all things could get a bit sticky economically speaking)?
Will the Ghosts of Parliaments past, Guy Fawkes and all, rise on Halloween?
You want to miss all that Paul, by declaring Brexit now... spoilsport!
Actually its 3rd
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exporting-to-the-usa
But again it all depends on where you read it and that is the problem.
It's very hard to find real facts and figures, I have many problems cutting through the crap that is out there. Like they actually released the wto tariffs for the UK, but I can't find it now.
The main problem is the supply chain, what if we go cut tariffs on imports and buy parts directly from source eg: China what would be the downside? In your opinion?
Brexit: PM to tell EU leaders to renegotiate deal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49385263
Horse,dead and flogging comes to mind.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49385263
Horse,dead and flogging comes to mind.
Tbf at least in his case it actually makes sense given he's deliberately steering towards a hard brexit. Why wouldn't he eat up the remaining time by pretending it is the EU's fault?
We've had three years of going round in circles, either the UK give up the idea or get on with it , it's like watching the same episode over and over again.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1TC17K
Found this while looking for the import tariff on mechanical parts to the EU.
Protectionism at its finest?
Found this while looking for the import tariff on mechanical parts to the EU.
Protectionism at its finest?
Let's face it blaming the eu... And remoaner parliament is basically his general election campaign
Sadly I think it's far more effective than sitting on the fence and promising unicorns
Daft as it sounds he's doing the right thing (from his / Cummings perspective and he's doing it well)
I quite like this site for facts and figures: https://oec.world/en/profile/country/deu/
The point with tariffs, which imo is not the biggest problem, is that you lose a degree of control where for the most part you have to have the same tariffs for everyone and your tariff schedule and quotas has to be agreed by other members of the WTO and of course it's the importer and subsequently the consumer who pays the tariffs. If you reduce tariffs to zero or low for everyone the market is going to be flooded with imports and UK manufacturing will suffer.
You also have to have the infrastructure
Being protectionist is true but you can't be more protectionist than Trump who will do anything to protect the USA, unfortunately he's making a right mess of it and starting a trade war which will lead to economic downturns for all,whereas UK seem to want to be like Trump.
The biggest problem will be the supply chain and whether the UK like it or not , it is an island next to the European mainland and relies on close co-operation with its neighbours and speed of supply. Also the speed of documentation and have the personnel and infrastructure in place to cope with the massive increase in documentation and checks which will be required. Also bearing in mind that even if the UK wave everything through unchecked the EU won't do so going back the other way.
Additionally most of the traffic with the continent, lorries , drivers etc are nearly all European plus the number of licences that will be able granted to UK businesses traveling to the continent will be severely limited.
Really don't see how the UK copes with all these problems if and when they become a "third country".
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Banning mirrors.
Key point: That's what they consider the most likely scenario, not the worst case scenario.
More importantly has Tom Holland hunted down Jacob Rees-Mogg?
20/20 hindsight on behalf of Cameron there. The reality is that the only reason Cameron offered the referendum was to secure his own position. He was never going to make that deal with Boris when it would have negated his entire motivation behind offering the referendum in the first place.
That'd fulfill at least two of my fantasies.
Those bloody Germans in Lidl dictating eh. We won the war you know. You pay the charges and furthermore we demand that you have Union Jack stickers on every single product. Rule Britannia!
He wouldn't have had a natural base of popularity among the membership though - Brexiteer Tories wouldn't have wanted him because he was a Remainer, and liberal Cameron-type Tories would've still seen him as too ridiculous a choice to be PM, preferring Osborne instead. Boris knew his only means of getting in was going to be by appealing to the party's hard-right.
Are you suggesting that he is an opportunist....
Anyone would have thought that he was un-decided about Brexit until the last moment...
I wonder what made his mind up.
But that the point right, we can have the options to create tariff agreements. Where do you think these imports come from in the first place? China? then a third party sells them to us?
All because we're classed as a third country to the EU. The EU are not the only market in the world. If you went to Sainsbury's and said we're going to make you pay extra for Chilean wine from our EU DC, they'd turn around a say I'll just buy it from flipping Chile.
I've worked in logistics for years in fact there isn't a firm in the UK I've not done work for and like I said above the paperwork is digital and done before leaving.
But thanks for the post, I'm not on twater. I can get peoples opinions on sky news.
First rule of business it's just business. if Lidl raised there prices - then they'll lose customers because they're model is based on cheap EU imports from the likes of Germany and as I said before Under WTO they is no tariff on food / produce import so anything they add is an export tariff from the EU.
Jamie Oliver blames restaurant collapse on Brexit - moaning it ruined his 40th (Mirror)
Every cloud has a silver lining!
Every cloud has a silver lining!
If there's a second referendum a smart Leave campaign would print this on massive billboards across the country. Would be a landslide.
You talk as if the EU are stopping the UK trading with the rest of the world which is the "we're becoming global Britain". It's Tory /Brexit rubbish which has conned the British people. The Uk are already trading with the USA and China and many other countries. The Uk's biggest customer is the USA now. If Minford wants to destroy the British manufacturing industry what are you going to sell to them. The Uk have got to get agreements on the tariffs first
Having quick supply chains you will not get from China or from the USA nor will you get fresh food nor will you have the markets in Europe which as Minford incorrectly states is that Europe needs the UK more than the other way round, it's total rubbish, yes the whole of the EU27 (27 countries ship more to one country (UK) than the one country ships to the 27, hardly surprising really but as individual countries, which they are, no. The EU27 still have each other to trade with plus all the trade agreements they have with non-EU countries. The UK will have zero agreements if they leave with no deal.
And no all documents and checks are not made on line plus the EU are not going to let exports from the UK pass without checks especially if they lower their standards and regulations.
By the way I've run an international trading company for 30 years in the UK and you never worked for me.
The first time I saw one of those Jamie's Italian, I immediately thought, wtf?
It isn't hard to assume that a large trading bloc has better negotiation leverage on imports than a sole nation, is it?
I may be missing something but your last sentence has nothing to do with the UK-EU relationship if you are talking about a company in the US.
Arlene?
US?
I wish I could indulge in some schadenfreude but as per usual NI will feel the brunt of the UK's nonsense.
Do you know my name? Or who I work for... anyway..
Yes I understand about the standards body of the European Union, is it a type of fallacy because EU DCs have been trading lower class imports for years - most products electrical come from China, we're just paying a middle person?
Would we need trade deals right out of the gate?
This is from the BBC
If they are being imported, would we not set the quality framework?
If we agree to keep our standards what would be the case for the EU to check every container in Calais? Because it would need to be done on the EU side of the channel as we wouldn't be the enforcer of this rule.
As your an international businessman you will know that losing a market (3rd biggest) is not good business - money talks.
This is in response to a comment about our exports to countries outside the EU, this was also the case with our customers inside the EU by the way
I don't follow the point that you are making with that table.Do you know my name? Or who I work for... anyway..
Yes I understand about the standards body of the European Union, is it a type of fallacy because EU DCs have been trading lower class imports for years - most products electrical come from China, we're just paying a middle person?
Would we need trade deals right out of the gate?
This is from the BBC
If they are being imported, would we not set the quality framework?
If we agree to keep our standards what would be the case for the EU to check every container in Calais? Because it would need to be done on the EU side of the channel as we wouldn't be the enforcer of this rule.
As your an international businessman you will know that losing a market (3rd biggest) is not good business - money talks.
Who has agreed the temporary tariff rate? How you you going to manage the VAT payments, who is going to finance the extra funding needed to pay the VAT and duty. If everything is zero you are going to be swamped with rubbish because you have no control.Do you know my name? Or who I work for... anyway..
Yes I understand about the standards body of the European Union, is it a type of fallacy because EU DCs have been trading lower class imports for years - most products electrical come from China, we're just paying a middle person?
Would we need trade deals right out of the gate?
This is from the BBC
If they are being imported, would we not set the quality framework?
If we agree to keep our standards what would be the case for the EU to check every container in Calais? Because it would need to be done on the EU side of the channel as we wouldn't be the enforcer of this rule.
As your an international businessman you will know that losing a market (3rd biggest) is not good business - money talks.
If the UK is maintaining the same standards and regulations they won't be doing deals with the US any time soon and if you are why are you leaving the EU?
You say money talks but the UK are losing their biggest group of countries. It will affect Ireland the most and Germany to some extent and a few north-western European countries a bit but cripple the UK.
Any delays on the cross-channel route either way will cause chaos.
We haven't even mentioned the loss of confidence of foreign investors and currency problems and lack of access to EU markets.
Spoons? Bring Brexit on then.Do you know my name? Or who I work for... anyway..
Yes I understand about the standards body of the European Union, is it a type of fallacy because EU DCs have been trading lower class imports for years - most products electrical come from China, we're just paying a middle person?
Would we need trade deals right out of the gate?
This is from the BBC
If they are being imported, would we not set the quality framework?
If we agree to keep our standards what would be the case for the EU to check every container in Calais? Because it would need to be done on the EU side of the channel as we wouldn't be the enforcer of this rule.
As your an international businessman you will know that losing a market (3rd biggest) is not good business - money talks.
I'm just saying where does the cost hike to the consumers come from? My bananas come from Kenya they will have an import tariff from the EU, but under WTO that will be 0. Or look at the TV from China 14% with the EU, but under WTO 0%. I'm not bothered anymore weather in or out.
I just don't like being bullied into thinking we are substandard, incapable people by the media or the European Union.
Uri Gellerr will be rubbing his spoons together in anger...