Sassy Colin
Death or the gladioli!
BoJo loses again?
feck knows what we are going to do after 31 October, when Bercow retires.
feck knows what we are going to do after 31 October, when Bercow retires.
does he have to retire? Is it a personal choice, or do you have to leave after x yearsJohn Bercow is an absolute boss!
They change after a general election I believe or they can retire. They still have to be elected by the House though. I don't know how he does it but he's been awesome in that role.does he have to retire? Is it a personal choice, or do you have to leave after x years
He's a career diplomat. It's probably the pinnacle of his career no matter how difficult it is.
I thought he was staying up to the next election no?BoJo loses again?
feck knows what we are going to do after 31 October, when Bercow retires.
The vast majority of deals that are in force are with wealthy first world nations with majority white (and South East Asian) populace. Onerous regulations are also designed to exclude poor countries who do not have the infrastructure to compete with countries inside the EU. Take a quick look at the Common Agricultural Policy if you're in doubt.Jesus, what?
The EU already has trade agreements with a lot of those "poor black people's" countries and is negotiating with others. What's Britain going to do outside of the EU that's better than that exactly?
Funny how you're looking out for the poor black people there despite in an earlier post stating that one of the reasons you voted Brexit is for tighter immigration rules.
I find support for the EU and equality of races to be a fundamentally inconsistent position.That's a very novel and laudable argument.
Considering a large portion of leavers are xenophobic racists, that might actually convince them to change their vote to remain.
Finneh I would love to know what you think Britain is going to do differently to combat these issues when they're outside the EU and going it alone. You think they'll prioritise these African countries over the richer nations? You think they'll increase immigration from these countries as opposed to countries where far more skilled workers would come from?The vast majority of deals that are in force are with wealthy first world nations with majority white (and South East Asian) populace. Onerous regulations are also designed to exclude poor countries who do not have the infrastructure to compete with countries inside the EU.
I didn't vote for Brexit for immigration purposes but believe free movement but only within a white country only block is again racist. Although as a democrat if the party in government had this in their manifesto and were voted in on this platform then I'd have to respect that.
I find support for the EU and equality of races to be a fundamentally inconsistent position.
Cheers mate.I've not argued it won't be a disaster because I don't know for sure but I do believe we are a big enough economy and a smart enough country to cope with whatever we do.
Last time: I voted remain because I work for a part of one of the biggest scientific companies in the world. The sector I work in (Agricultural research) conducts trials all over the world. I work very closely with colleagues in France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Romania, Poland, Greece, Italy and so on. I was concerned about what impact it would have on the UK branch of this company and still am. So far it has had no impact and there seems to be no mad panic at managment level but IF there was a second referendum, I would vote the same way.
So far it hasn't undermined client confidence but I do worry, of course I do.
I would hope to abolish all agricultural subsidies and have worldwide tariff free trade. Irrespective of the colour of your skin you should have the opportunity to sell your goods into the UK without prejudice. I don't believe Europeans have the right to enrich themselves at the expense of poorer people; however this viewpoint is naturally incompatible with EU membership.Finneh I would love to know what you think Britain is going to do differently to combat these issues when they're outside the EU and going it alone. You think they'll prioritise these African countries over the richer nations? You think they'll increase immigration from these countries as opposed to countries where far more skilled workers would come from?
This is a country who largely voted to leave because of xenophobic reasons, and you think that by leaving, you are going to do better than the EU did at helping out the poorer nations? What sort of logic is that?
Yeah that's a nice dream, but none of it will happen, and the UK won't be the ones doing it.I would hope to abolish all agricultural subsidies and have worldwide tariff free trade. Irrespective of the colour of your skin you should have the opportunity to sell your goods into the UK without prejudice. I don't believe Europeans have the right to enrich themselves at the expense of poorer people; however this viewpoint is naturally incompatible with EU membership.
Any political party that wanted to unilaterally extend freedom of trade, particularly with poor countries who're currently starved and impoverished by EU trade policy, would have my vote. I also never said I think this would be achieved by leaving the EU. However leaving the EU is a necessary first step.
My argument is democratic not economic. I agree there are no economic benefits to leaving. I'm saying we should suck it up and do it, then change it when we don't like it. We don't re-run or overturn GE's because the wrong party won do we? For example I see total economic disaster if the current Labour party are given the chance to implement their policies. A lot of analysts including the City feel the same. So there is analytical evidence that a Labour government will lead to an economic hit on the country. If Labour won the election, the notion of the losers trying to overturn that vote on the basis of said economic analysis would be preposterous. The way would be to vote them out in 5 years, or earlier if those economic forecast were seen to be coming true. Why is that not the right way now?What is your point?
Leaving, to any sane and sensible person, is an idiotic idea which has a significant negative effect on the economy of the country for years to come. It's not surprising that people are reacting against it.
They are still yet to sell any benefits whatsoever to leaving the EU, only the will of the people which keeps being repeated, ad nauseum.
Again I'm not saying it'll happen, but it's a necessary step to get closer to that ideal. If you're a communist then voting for Corbyn isn't going to achieve your ideal, but it would be a step towards it.Yeah that's a nice dream, but none of it will happen, and the UK won't be the ones doing it.
I'm still failing to see what the EU have done to these African nations, can you clarify? A few articles or something maybe? I'm not dismissing your opinion here and I don't disagree that European nations have a loooong history of fecking up African nations but I've genuinely never seen anything regarding the EU being discriminatory towards them so more info would be nice.
It's been 3 years not 3 weeks. The determination of whether something has been given a chance isn't just whether it's been committed to or not but surely also whether it has been given due consideration?My argument is democratic not economic. I agree there are no economic benefits to leaving. I'm saying we should suck it up and do it, then change it when we don't like it. We don't re-run or overturn GE's because the wrong party won do we? For example I see total economic disaster if the current Labour party are given the chance to implement their policies. A lot of analysts including the City feel the same. So there is analytical evidence that a Labour government will lead to an economic hit on the country. If Labour won the election, the notion of the losers trying to overturn that vote on the basis of said economic analysis would be preposterous. The way would be to vote them out in 5 years, or earlier if those economic forecast were seen to be coming true. Why is that not the right way now?
We literally do overturn the results of GE if the wrong party has been elected by holding another election as you rightly point out.My argument is democratic not economic. I agree there are no economic benefits to leaving. I'm saying we should suck it up and do it, then change it when we don't like it. We don't re-run or overturn GE's because the wrong party won do we? For example I see total economic disaster if the current Labour party are given the chance to implement their policies. A lot of analysts including the City feel the same. So there is analytical evidence that a Labour government will lead to an economic hit on the country. If Labour won the election, the notion of the losers trying to overturn that vote on the basis of said economic analysis would be preposterous. The way would be to vote them out in 5 years, or earlier if those economic forecast were seen to be coming true. Why is that not the right way now?
I have spent over 30 years of my life trading with African countries importing and exporting to and from the EU and the rest of the world. You argue for tariff free trade and then quote an article which without knowing it actually argues the opposite.Again I'm not saying it'll happen, but it's a necessary step to get closer to that ideal. If you're a communist then voting for Corbyn isn't going to achieve your ideal, but it would be a step towards it.
Not the best article (especially as I'm anti trade union) but I'm leaving work now so don't have hours to post better articles http://www.tuaeu.co.uk/how-the-eu-starves-africa/
It's not difficult to find information regarding EU protectionism and the effect it has on the third world. A good start is the Common Agriculture Policy.
But the wrong party were at least allowed to take office and given a chance to make their policies work.We literally do overturn the results of GE if the wrong party has been elected by holding another election as you rightly point out.
Yes you are correct that Europe has a long history of taking from poor countries without giving back. The problem though is that Europe has also shown far more willingness than the UK to give back to former colonies.Again I'm not saying it'll happen, but it's a necessary step to get closer to that ideal. If you're a communist then voting for Corbyn isn't going to achieve your ideal, but it would be a step towards it.
Not the best article (especially as I'm anti trade union) but I'm leaving work now so don't have hours to post better articles http://www.tuaeu.co.uk/how-the-eu-starves-africa/
It's not difficult to find information regarding EU protectionism and the effect it has on the third world. A good start is the Common Agriculture Policy.
Again I'm not saying it'll happen, but it's a necessary step to get closer to that ideal. If you're a communist then voting for Corbyn isn't going to achieve your ideal, but it would be a step towards it.
Not the best article (especially as I'm anti trade union) but I'm leaving work now so don't have hours to post better articles http://www.tuaeu.co.uk/how-the-eu-starves-africa/
It's not difficult to find information regarding EU protectionism and the effect it has on the third world. A good start is the Common Agriculture Policy.
It's his wife's decision so yes he has to leave.does he have to retire? Is it a personal choice, or do you have to leave after x years
Honestly I’m sick that my future will be worse off because of a slim majority of people voting for an idiotic decision.Right now there are massive efforts to either overturn this result or have a 2nd referendum.
Every possible weapon in the parliamentary book is being deployed including recourse to the supreme court.
There were a million people marching in London on Saturday.
Would we be seeing anything like this if it had been 52-48 the other way? I don't thinks so.
Even if there was dissent over the result it would have been put soundly to bed with remainers crying losers consent from every quarter?
How long, in that situation, would Leavers have had to wait to have got another bite of the cherry?
Probably not. Any idea why that might be?Would we be seeing anything like this if it had been 52-48 the other way? I don't so.
Actually although logically it should have - i dont actually think it would haveHonestly I’m sick that my future will be worse off because of a slim majority of people voting for an idiotic decision.
However if the government had been sensible & thought ‘ hmm ok so it was a very close vote, so let’s implement a soft brexit’ Such as a Norway model etc I’m sure that would have gone easily through Parliament & even I begrudgingly would have accepted it.
But I don’t accept some far right hard brexit wet dream for their own benefit which will make this country & it’s people (including 48% of those who voted totally against this & just get ignored when they say ‘Will of the people’ ) much worse off in every possible way.
You can't have a referendum and say the winners haven't won. If they cheated you need to prove that to be so. If you can't then that is it. Or we just tear up the democratic rule book.Probably not. Any idea why that might be?
Doesn’t answer my question but yeah good to know you have a low opinion of Remain people and think of a referendum that has a massive impact on people’s lives as a case of winners and losers.You can't have a referendum and say the winners haven't won. If they cheated you need to prove that to be so. If you can't then that is it. Or we just tear up the democratic rule book.
What if remain had won and the Government had said 'ahh it's only an indicative vote, remain told lies about an economical crash, its not legally binding so we think we'll leave anyway'?
Nobody knew what it meant? I did and I don’t even live in the uk anymore. Of course some people knew. It’s all in deadlock as the government never thought people would vote yes. Had Cameron and co wanted it, it would have happened a long time ago.That isn't possible as noboby who voted leave had the faintest idea what leave involved or meant, as it was never articulated. Part of the reason we are still deadlocked all this time and effort later.
What did it mean?Nobody knew what it meant? I did and I don’t even live in the uk anymore. Of course some people knew. It’s all in deadlock as the government never thought people would vote yes. Had Cameron and co wanted it, it would have happened a long time ago.
Enlighten us, what did it mean then ?Nobody knew what it meant? I did and I don’t even live in the uk anymore. Of course some people knew. It’s all in deadlock as the government never thought people would vote yes. Had Cameron and co wanted it, it would have happened a long time ago.
Tbf farage did say that he’d keep going until he got the result he wanted. It’s the biggest political decision of many people’s lives so it’s not unexpected that people will change their minds especially as they find out the full implications and lies away from the catchy sound bitesRight now there are massive efforts to either overturn this result or have a 2nd referendum.
Every possible weapon in the parliamentary book is being deployed including recourse to the supreme court.
There were a million people marching in London on Saturday.
Would we be seeing anything like this if it had been 52-48 the other way? I don't thinks so.
Even if there was dissent over the result it would have been put soundly to bed with remainers crying losers consent from every quarter?
How long, in that situation, would Leavers have had to wait to have got another bite of the cherry?
I think farrage actually said if its 52%-48% then its not over by a long way ... so yeah I don't think they would have stoppedTbf farage did say that he’d keep going until he got the result he wanted. It’s the biggest political decision of many people’s lives so it’s not unexpected that people will change their minds especially as they find out the full implications and lies away from the catchy sound bites
Look I hate it as much as you and I too have skin in the game as far as my Company and it's staff are concerned. I wrote to my local MP detailing those concerns. However this has gone way too far. The precedents now being set (courts getting involved etc.) will have a lasting effect for your generation and beyond. I don't have a low opinion of Remain voters (I was one of them ffs). However, if you deploy the blunt instrument which is direct democracy then you have to implement the result if you ever envisage using that method to decide things again. In this case the softer the better but it has to be implemented in my view.Doesn’t answer my question but yeah good to know you have a low opinion of Remain people and think of a referendum that has a massive impact on people’s lives as a case of winners and losers.
Well, again, that is completely not true.As opposed to a snapshot or an average of snapshots (poll of polls), I meant the underlying trend the weeks leading up to the vote indicated growth in leave share.
Also, a difference of 4% between a poll and actual isn't a 'swing'; it is well within the margin of error.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2011/11/21/understanding-margin-errorA poll of 1,000 people has a margin of error of +/- 3%, a poll of 2,000 people a margin of error of +/- 2%
But isn’t it something like 10+ years before the UK could reapply again (and maybe not get accepted after the way they’ve behaved). Also you’d have to pay out a shit load more money to get inBut the wrong party were at least allowed to take office and given a chance to make their policies work.
for feck sake man, all you can find me is an article from a pro-leave website?Again I'm not saying it'll happen, but it's a necessary step to get closer to that ideal. If you're a communist then voting for Corbyn isn't going to achieve your ideal, but it would be a step towards it.
Not the best article (especially as I'm anti trade union) but I'm leaving work now so don't have hours to post better articles http://www.tuaeu.co.uk/how-the-eu-starves-africa/
It's not difficult to find information regarding EU protectionism and the effect it has on the third world. A good start is the Common Agriculture Policy.
They would have been seriously set back and there would not have been shed loads of MP's trawling parliamentary procedure to overturn it or a million marching in London. The result would have been largely accepted and Cameron would have succeeded in putting both the Scottish and EU questions to bed for a generation. Another referendum would have been a million miles away.I think farrage actually said if its 52%-48% then its not over by a long way ... so yeah I don't think they would have stopped