At this point most sensitive people (remainers or not) should consider stopping Brexit
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At this point most sensitive people (remainers or not) should consider stopping Brexit
What have they done so evil to warrant such hatred?
Junker?
Farage really is an ignorant crank but as he has followers, he's also dangerous.
And an expensive one....
His salary plus bonus ( bonus for what, we should ask ) plus pension contributions plus housing allowance plus expenses for his own, personal staff are almost €500,000 per annum.
But apparently that's all quite normal on the Brussels gravy train.
As well as having 10,000 employees sat around in Brussels ( doing what, we should ask ) almost 2,500 of them earn the equivalent of €175,000 or more each year beause EU employees have specially low income tax rates, or in other words, more than the Prime Ministers of any of the EU member states.
Think about that the next time you look at your own pay cheque.
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Of the idiots trying to ru(i)n the country, disappointed in the sheep who believe or want to believe all the nonsense.
Well sitting around discussing the shape fruit isnt easy. Nor is doing nothing about refugees in southern europe. Its not all fun and tax free money.
The refugees in southern europe aren't in the scope of the EU because EU members have always refused to give that power to the EU.
Codswallop
You are free to expend on that.
I dont have to, its there for all to see and read.
To see what? That the EU doesn't have an home office administration, that it's the exclusive power of the member states?
Why, then, are the EU threatening Poland and Hungary with sanctions if they don't take their 'quota' of refugees ?
Because EU countries agreed on those quotas. They don't come from Brussels, they come from the EU council, the members.
You separate member states from eu for every argument like they are mutually exclusive. I'm not playing that game.
"In 2016, Germany's trade surplus with the other EU member states combined stood at at little more than 150 billion euros, according to preliminary figures from the government statistics office Destatis."
No, I didn't I am talking about a trade surplus which is the figure after you take off the goods traveling the other way. If you want to get insulting at least read the point because you make yourself look like a complete ass when you miss it so badly and the rest of the comment becomes embarrassing.
The combination of the Euro and the single market has led to an imbalance in trade which moves wealth from the poorest regions of Europe to the richest at more than 20 billion Euro's a month. Germany's surplus is twice the surplus limit agreed by the EU.The EU does nothing and people like you blow a fuse when anyone even dares to raise it.
I think its unsustainable and I believe even Macron has said as much. I just don't think you can claim Robin Hood status for the EU while its flagship policies are having the exact opposite effect.
Well, it's not a game, the EU is a Union not a federation, on a number of subject you will have to separate the EU council and the commission. The problem here isn't with the outcome because I agree with you on the need to fix those problems but unfortunately only the EU council can do it and it is the members state.
Actually, it's been a bit worse than that.
Since the Eastern European countries joined the EU and the free-for-all market, French, Dutch and, in particular, German companies have been hoovering up companies of all sizes and in all industries throughout Eastern Europe.
The chances of Lithuanian, Hungarian and Slovakian companies ever being able to afford to buy successful companies in France / Netherlands / Germany are even less than Stockport County winning the ECL.
The end game is that those countries' economies are now effectively controlled by foreign multinationals.
Again you try to lay blame somewhere else. Without europe would there be an eu? Without eu would there be an eu council? Without europe would there be a euro?
Keep wrapping it up in nice paper but shit still smells the same however the packaging looks.
Either you're incredibly uneducated, or a wum. Probably both.
Edit: Just in case a neutral reader thinks this is too aggressive on my side: The claim that is made in the quoted post is just plain wrong. The sentence following that claim is at least as condescending. The lack of economic knowledge on display here is staggering considering he then feels empowered to explain the complex nature of the European economy.
If you're in doubt:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_of_trade.
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Yes, the thing exists since the 60s, it is the answer to all the questions you asked. They created the EU, they created the Euro, they are above the commission, they are the flipping executive.
Doesnt really change my point, just the order of it. There isn't one without the other ffs
Uhm, I don't wanna dissappointing you, but a trade surplus of Germany with the EU-26 in the region of 150 billion isn't that far fetched. I don't have the numbers right now, but our overall surplus is 250 billion right now. So 150 within Europe wouldn't surprise me that much.
I bolded the part I was referring to. Obviously one countries surplus is the other sides deficit... So overall we have a problem that needs to be worked out together, i'm far from saying everything was perfect at the moment...
However he started the argument with:
To which I answered:
The goods Germany exports in exchange for the money...
To which he answered:
The extent of the current surplus is a problem because it's our partner's deficit. We need to find a way to work that out together in the long run. Claiming Germany had forced the EU and EURO onto Europe so it could use those evil tools to rob smaller nations isn't only dishonest, it's the sort of stuff Farage believes.
Who would have thought that?
The poisoned dwarf does not really lnow what she wants.
She's a politician after all.
I was more thinking about the Tories scaremongering that leaving your biggest market might cause economic chaos but I tend to agree with them on this point, hail the glorious leader
Sturgeon is the worst. Having worked in the oil industry and seen the collapse of Aberdeen, and the scottish oil revenues, it's amazing she's pursuing the agenda at this point in time, the scottish economy is fecked at $50 a barrel oil. It was at >$100 a barrel, but it's super screwed at the moment if Scotland doesn't have massive UK subsidy. the sooner we feck them off the better.
UK needs more immigrants to 'avoid Brexit catastrophe' apparently. Who would have guessed? Or asked? Or planned?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/19/uk-needs-more-immigrants-to-avoid-brexit-catastrophe?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/19/uk-needs-more-immigrants-to-avoid-brexit-catastrophe?
"The goal of any great project portfolio control system is to establish appropriate analysis and scoring criteria so that the emotional factors of decision-making are removed. Either a project meets, or does not meet, the pre-selected and well-communicated criteria. All that remains is nothing more than a simple pass/fail equation."
101 project management. If an envisigoned project has no benefits, it doesn't get approved. Because it has no benefits.
101 project management. If an envisigoned project has no benefits, it doesn't get approved. Because it has no benefits.
Or as an alternative to the Remoaning Guardian, you could read this German point of view -
On a narrow bilateral basis Brexit is likely to have a more negative impact on the German economy than the British. Stefan Mair from the German confederation of industry made this point to the Bundestag and recommended a “transition agreement” for Britain’s exit. The idea with this would be to, in effect, allow both sides to “cherry pick” from the menu of single market rules and benefits.
In the same spirit other experts, including myself, argued that during the transition, which might last quite long, the UK could withdraw from the “free movement of labour” condition, but retain the other three of the “four freedoms” of movement: capital, goods and services.
https://www.socialeurope.eu/2017/05/smooth-brexit-interests-germany-much-uk/
On a narrow bilateral basis Brexit is likely to have a more negative impact on the German economy than the British. Stefan Mair from the German confederation of industry made this point to the Bundestag and recommended a “transition agreement” for Britain’s exit. The idea with this would be to, in effect, allow both sides to “cherry pick” from the menu of single market rules and benefits.
In the same spirit other experts, including myself, argued that during the transition, which might last quite long, the UK could withdraw from the “free movement of labour” condition, but retain the other three of the “four freedoms” of movement: capital, goods and services.
https://www.socialeurope.eu/2017/05/smooth-brexit-interests-germany-much-uk/
But they are both quite similar, talking of a transitional deal - remember it is Theresa May and company negotiating this not Margaret Thatcher , this is the most important point and there will be a price for the transitional deal. The way things look discussions reaching even this stage seem slim unless May changes tactics.
Tranitional deal or, as I said a couple of months ago ( was it ? ) the UK joins EFTA and gets access to the sm through this organisation.
Agree with you about May - maybe now she should just demand / ask for nothing....Wait and see what the EU want and are prepared to offer offer in return is probably the best option / tactic for the UK from here on in.
But let's not forget it takes two to tango.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/francois-hollande-brexit-threat-risk-price-2016-10
There's been no sign of a softening from the EU since Hollande let the EU cat out of the bag.
Agree with you about May - maybe now she should just demand / ask for nothing....Wait and see what the EU want and are prepared to offer offer in return is probably the best option / tactic for the UK from here on in.
But let's not forget it takes two to tango.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/francois-hollande-brexit-threat-risk-price-2016-10
There's been no sign of a softening from the EU since Hollande let the EU cat out of the bag.
But it looks as if May is not keen on joining EFTA/EEA which will not be that straightforward anyway and that would basically mean still accepting the 4 freedoms and contributions - can't see how this is going to coincide with "the will of the people".
The UK has to be worse off, it cannot be seen to continue with the same benefits for no input, that's basically what the EU is saying.
May has put herself between a rock and a hard place and imo the only thing May is really interested in is power and that this power lasts as long as possible, I believe the interests of the British people are way down on her list of priorities.
Remember I had been a Tory voter not a Labour voter or socialist - imo May will be/is worst PM in my living memory and that is saying something and the crew she has behind her are even worse.
Fortunately I have no interest to vote in the GE.
You shouldn't confuse the view of one Herr Mair with "the german" view. Also, transition means transition, not maintenance of the access to the SM to conditions Westminster deems fit.
The access to the SM is tied to all 4 conditions, and so far all EU leaders have been more than clear about the fact that is is non-negotiable. This article just rehashes that notion of "they need us more than we need them, hence they'll bend over in the end".
Good luck.
You're like that 'United Supporter' on RAWK
His assessment is spot on, though, and reflects the political *and* public consensus across the continent. No amount of laughing smilies from your side is going to change that.You're like that 'United Supporter' on RAWK
Jonno White or whatever his name is supposed to be? Why?You're like that 'United Supporter' on RAWK
Not sure what *and* means. If the UK is fecked by Brexit the global economy is fecked, so in terms of your narrative Germany will deliberately feck the UK and the global economy to prove a point, let's see how the G7 and G20 lap that up. The rhetoric from the EU (basically means Germany and France) is basically reinforcing the Brexit vote and it plays out like they're a bunch of vindictive tossers who can't accept that someone wants to leave their club. Well done in your analysis, let's see how it pans out
. I'm not claiming green smilies will change anything btw, but just for good measure .