Because if we change now who is to say they will do any better with this group of players? I don’t think we should change managers to only start the process of different ideas all over again. It’s got us no where over the last 6 yrs.
Can we stop blaming managers and start looking at the real problem?
- Thread starter WensleyMU
- Start date
Everyone with half a brain knows it's the Glazers that are the root disease - everything else is just a symptom.
The question is can we do anything to cure the Glazers? And is treating the symptoms going to help or make things worse?
The question is can we do anything to cure the Glazers? And is treating the symptoms going to help or make things worse?
Hmm.
I have very little time for the owners but that is what they are; owners. They might not be that best but it is obvious that their main objective is growing their investment.
To my mind the primary problem lies with those who are actually running the club.
And that has to be the CEO.
As far as the owners are concerned he is in charge. He dictates policy and objectives.
Manchester United is a football club but is not being managed to deliver football excellence; rather financial excellence.
I said this in another thread a few days ago. Sir Alex should have been given the funds to rebuild, and then had a team go into their prime when he retired.
Instead City fans have a song that literally says 'you signed Phil Jones and we signed Kun Aguero', and if that doesnt sum up Sir Alex's last few years perfectly.
The club wasted years with the GOAT manager, because they could. When that was the perfect time to spend big
It would help if we had fan forums that moderated the knee jerkers a little more than they are.
Saf didn't sign Hazard because he thought he won't make it in the pl. The same with Aguero.
But why Ole is my question. Why did the board and some fans think he can turn it around? In these kinds of issues past history has to be taken into account. There are much better managers than Ole around with better track records. So why him?
Apart from getting rid of 4 players and bringing in 3 what else has he done?
Yes you can say we are fitter and we press. Then what? We can't take a decent corner, we can't take a decent free kick and we can't take a decent penalty and we don't know how to pass or even take throw in. We don't know what to do if the other teams remain defensive and compact. We can't defend when the ball is in the air and we don't know how to use the substitute players. We can't even beat the Old Fox.
But why Ole is my question. Why did the board and some fans think he can turn it around? In these kinds of issues past history has to be taken into account. There are much better managers than Ole around with better track records. So why him?
Apart from getting rid of 4 players and bringing in 3 what else has he done?
Yes you can say we are fitter and we press. Then what? We can't take a decent corner, we can't take a decent free kick and we can't take a decent penalty and we don't know how to pass or even take throw in. We don't know what to do if the other teams remain defensive and compact. We can't defend when the ball is in the air and we don't know how to use the substitute players. We can't even beat the Old Fox.
Last edited:
Also if we had owners that actually fecking allowed us to buy more than 3 players in a window the gap wouldnt be so wide or take years. WE NEED A DIRECTOR OF FOOTBALL AND OR NEW OWNERS. END OF!
Nope he didnt sign him because he didnt want to play the huge agent fee. The agent fee was £7M...he then spent that same £7M on Bebe. The man is the GOAT but he did make mistakes too.
The manager picked Pereira and Mata in his starting xi. Then subbed in Lingard. Gives Greenwood barely any time to get it going.
Yes, it’s the responsibility of the whole hierarchy itself, but on the pitch, the manager has to make it work with whatever he has at his disposal.
Yes, it’s the responsibility of the whole hierarchy itself, but on the pitch, the manager has to make it work with whatever he has at his disposal.
Agree with this argument but would also add the following conundrum.
If we change manager again I presume Woody will be at the forefront of that decision making process so why on earth does anyone believe he will make a better job of it this time round. We can't keep changing managers and thus players, tactics etc ad infinitum until Woody strikes lucky. We could be playing 1st. division before we get it right with him in charge. And don't forget that as soon as a new manager loses a few games a lot on here will be calling for his head/blaming Woody or both.
Whilst I agree Ole was appointed in haste I cannot see the point of changing just for the sake of it. There are absolutely no guarantees of doing better with the next choice even if Woody is removed from the equation ( which he won't be ) A very difficult job of replacing Fergie has now be turned into a not very funny joke.
That would be a start.
Looking back now we know he had a net spend of 20M / season, he had to be frugal. He had no problems breaking transfer records prior to 2005. During the same 8 year period Chelsea outspent us by more than 500M pounds, net. But I agree it was a mistake not to push for Hazard and what a player we would have had.
Why dont you go to a game and lift a banner then?
How hard did you look mate?
https://talksport.com/football/513310/david-moyes-manchester-united-sign-gareth-bale-real-madrid/
The rest are easy to find with a quick Google as well, like this.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...Ander-Herrera-and-Romas-Daniele-De-Rossi.html
Cause it's about 10000 kilometers away.
Of course. Don’t talk about what match going fans should or shouldn’t be doing then.
Ole is in an impossible situation. He has a team with only two reliable mobile central midfielders. After Pogba and McTominay Fred is the best bet and clearly Ole, desperate as he must be, doesn't rate him. I doubt that there is a team in the Championship much less the Premier League with only two mobile reliable central midfielders. That's why Ole plays Lingard. He needs his mobility and defensive tenacity to make up for the lack of central midfielders.
Last year when Herrera was injured for a period of time United's quality of play went down the tubes because there was no cover for Herrera. Still no cover this year but also no Herrera anymore. Folks rightly criticize playing Pogba in such a deep position but there's no cover for him to move into an attacking midfielder position.
My opinion is that Ole is a walking dead man. He's doing a decent job for a guy with an incomplete midfield in one of the toughest leagues in the world. But what will happen in the likely event that eventually Pogba and/or McTominay sustain a long-term injury? He doesn't have anybody mobile and reliable to take either of their places. Top six finish could be in jeopardy.
And who will take the blame? It won't be Mr. Ed. No problem after six years of failure. Why would 7 years make any difference?
Last year when Herrera was injured for a period of time United's quality of play went down the tubes because there was no cover for Herrera. Still no cover this year but also no Herrera anymore. Folks rightly criticize playing Pogba in such a deep position but there's no cover for him to move into an attacking midfielder position.
My opinion is that Ole is a walking dead man. He's doing a decent job for a guy with an incomplete midfield in one of the toughest leagues in the world. But what will happen in the likely event that eventually Pogba and/or McTominay sustain a long-term injury? He doesn't have anybody mobile and reliable to take either of their places. Top six finish could be in jeopardy.
And who will take the blame? It won't be Mr. Ed. No problem after six years of failure. Why would 7 years make any difference?
Last edited by a moderator:
Half the stadium is full of tourists anyways, people who don't follow the club with a passion. I've had several ask me why I'm wearing a Norwich scarf at the games I've attended.
Why? those folks need to sort themselves out.
Like I said, go to a game and lift a banner if that’s what you want done. If you live 10000km away don't comment on the fans who are at games.
Wtf would you know about match going fans?
True. Fred and Tuanzebe should be playing ahead of lindeleof and Perreira... Jesus even Stevie Wonder would see this.
Ole is clueless as far as game management
Our coaches were both working in Norway and Australia last season. We can clear the deadwood all we want but with such an average coach we will make the same recruitment errors.
One of which was fergies right hand man for years
I feel this is what Ole is trying to address. Yes, this season it’s going to result in a thread-bare squad but he’s looking at keeping players he can trust, then add as he needs to (or the board will allow).
If the team aren't producing the football they should be and not getting the results they should be, sooner or later the manager will be questioned. So why should Ole be any different?
The manager isn’t only problem but it’s only one that is likely to change. Club still hasn’t learnt they need a structure behind the scenes and need people who can actually run a football club. To have not learnt that in over six years and despite wasting hundreds of millions tells you a lot.
We’ll change manager at some point this season, it’ll be same clueless people looking for a replacement and will have to be someone out of work. Then we’ll repeat same cycle in transfer windows and be back to square one in no time.
Unless Poch or someone else lands in our lap I don’t see how it when things will get better.
We’ll change manager at some point this season, it’ll be same clueless people looking for a replacement and will have to be someone out of work. Then we’ll repeat same cycle in transfer windows and be back to square one in no time.
Unless Poch or someone else lands in our lap I don’t see how it when things will get better.
The manager is a part of the problem right now, Ole is not the right man to lead.
The problem is simpler... this season's end will prove you all wrong... pathetic theory and all 
You are right mate. The Glazers are everything that is wrong with the club.
What’s the point of sacking Woodward when they will just appoint appoint Woodward 2.0?
What’s the point of sacking managers when they are seemingly unwilling to truly back a new manager in the transfer market?
Nothing is going to change until we are sold.
Appointing such an inexperienced manager in Ole to lead the biggest rebuild job in 40 years is another sign of their utter incompetence. But of course, it was the cheapest option so why wouldn’t these parasites go with it.
In this last two paragraphs you summed up all my thoughts better than I could express them.
All the managers made their mistakes, but they were set up to take the lion's share of the blame that should befall the accursed owners of the club, and their executioner.
Question for all the brilliant minds saying that "we have more than one problem" and "it's the manager's and the players' fault as well":
Who hired the fecking players and the fecking manager?
Who hired the fecking players and the fecking manager?
Our board is of course inept because they just can't stop making stupid decisions with all our managerial appointments. All managers post SAF were simply the wrong choice, Ole one probably tops it all. We hired him purely because of the fact he is an ex player who smiles, unlike most of others who share their true opinion of what's happening at our club.
There must be some problems with the scouting department, we have a huge team of scouts but never sign anyone who needs scouting. Everyone could see how well AWB was doing at Palace, maguire is the England centre back and James was a highly rated youngster in the championship. Other teams are pulling good players in from across the world who have proven themselves as elite premier league players- Jesus, Son, Bernardo, Richarlison etc.
What do our scouts do? They certainly never find us a first teamer at decent value...
What do our scouts do? They certainly never find us a first teamer at decent value...
Last edited by a moderator:
Good post. Agree on all points.
The Ignore button is your friend. I come here for fun. If I wanted to hear whining I’d turn on the TV news.
I have said before on here that this side is good enough to get top four both in it's own right and by virtue of the fact that Arsenal, Tottenham and Chelsea will drop a lot of points. Some of the problems we have faced are down to poor chance conversion. If things had been just slightly different, we could easily have 10 points. The results have been very disappointing but the performances have not been ragged. That said we need to sort out how to breakdown defences that defend deep. This is the third time we have lost points against deep lying defences.
There are many here simply not getting it.
It doesn't matter who the manager is, it could be Sir Klopp of Pep or Lady Pep of Klopp, it won't matter. It took a man greater than all the current managers and all those who went before to keep us at the top, and now he is gone.
We are being held back from the very top. People keep bringing money into this yet we make more than everyone in the league and most of the world, yet we aren't willing to spend what is really required. We will do half a job, then scrap it and start over.
We absolutely should have spent better, but having 4 separate managers try to do there thing means that it breaks down to around £180million per manager, which, when looking to rebuild simply isn't enough. A rebuild is going to cost upwards of £4-500million for us, and every year we fail to make the grade, it will cost us even more.
So no, this isn't a "blame the owners 100%" thread, but a "let's start at the top" thread.
We've blamed the managers and players (and every single one of us is guilty of one or both) for years, while they sit pretty, with the occasional murmur of discontent.
It doesn't matter who the manager is, it could be Sir Klopp of Pep or Lady Pep of Klopp, it won't matter. It took a man greater than all the current managers and all those who went before to keep us at the top, and now he is gone.
We are being held back from the very top. People keep bringing money into this yet we make more than everyone in the league and most of the world, yet we aren't willing to spend what is really required. We will do half a job, then scrap it and start over.
We absolutely should have spent better, but having 4 separate managers try to do there thing means that it breaks down to around £180million per manager, which, when looking to rebuild simply isn't enough. A rebuild is going to cost upwards of £4-500million for us, and every year we fail to make the grade, it will cost us even more.
So no, this isn't a "blame the owners 100%" thread, but a "let's start at the top" thread.
We've blamed the managers and players (and every single one of us is guilty of one or both) for years, while they sit pretty, with the occasional murmur of discontent.
Also, if anyone doubts the dangers of bad owners, just take a glance at the Bury and Bolton thread.
Or, for a more direct comparison... Liverpool a decade ago under Hicks and Gillette.
Or, for a more direct comparison... Liverpool a decade ago under Hicks and Gillette.
Oh Im using it. It would be nicer if members who were known kneejerkers had their own thread to behave like 11 year olds in.