Cancel Culture

[KirkDuyt]

Why is cancel culture being discussed as if it is 1: a liberal thing and 2: a new thing?

Cancelling people / things / ideas you don't like is as old as dudes clubbing each other in caves.

Also, calling someone with shite views a cnut and urging other people to tell them they're a cnut is not cancel culture, it's a public service.

 

[Olly Gunnar Solskjær]

Why is cancel culture being discussed as if it is 1: a liberal thing and 2: a new thing?

Cancelling people / things / ideas you don't like is as old as dudes clubbing each other in caves.

Also, calling someone with shite views a cnut and urging other people to tell them they're a cnut is not cancel culture, it's a public service.

Because it's, a) one of the many buzz words/phrases the right have created to sound good on social media, b) a way to dismiss things they don't like, and c) a way to make themselves sound like victims.

They seem to be very effective at those it must be said.

 

[hobbers]

Also, calling someone with shite views a cnut and urging other people to tell them they're a cnut is not cancel culture, it's a public service.

But who decides who the cnuts are with the shite views? Malignant narcissists on twitter?

 

[Berbasbullet]

Because it's, a) one of the many buzz words/phrases the right have created to sound good on social media, b) a way to dismiss things they don't like, and c) a way to make themselves sound like victims.

They seem to be very effective at those it must be said.

I imagine these people you describe are the same people currently boycotting Sainsbury’s for well, we both know why.

But that is pure speculation.

 

[JPRouve]

Why is cancel culture being discussed as if it is 1: a liberal thing and 2: a new thing?

Cancelling people / things / ideas you don't like is as old as dudes clubbing each other in caves.

Also, calling someone with shite views a cnut and urging other people to tell them they're a cnut is not cancel culture, it's a public service.

No idea, that's why I asked Marcos what are the sides he is talking about. And yes, it's as old as the existence of fauna.

 

[JPRouve]

But who decides who the cnuts are with the shite views? Malignant narcissists on twitter?

You do it yourself, you don't need anyone to have an opinion.

 

[Olly Gunnar Solskjær]

I imagine these people you describe are the same people currently boycotting Sainsbury’s for well, we both know why.

But that is pure speculation.

Exactly.

So strange that the recent article I posted on here about right wingers foaming at the mouth and boycotting Ritz crackers got literally two replies while some random Tweet has added two+ pages to the "cancel culture" thread.

 

[JPRouve]

Exactly.

So strange that the recent article I posted on here about right wingers foaming at the mouth and boycotting Ritz crackers got literally two replies while some random Tweet has added two+ pages to the "cancel culture" thread.

I didn't like the ad, I felt cheated, he should have kissed the top of his friend's head.

 

[Olly Gunnar Solskjær]

I didn't like the ad, I felt cheated, he should have kissed the top of his friend's head.

There weren't enough sexual innuendos for me tbh.

 

[nimic]

Or more correctly, one side seeing bigots and racists everywhere, and politicizing issues that have nothing to do with racism, sexism and bigotry to advance their agendas. I agree that the alt-right are bigots.

The main difference is that the alt-right is a few years ahead. Alt-left is now at the level where far-right was before the Tea Party. No figureheads and central control, but slowly getting there.

Stop trying to make alt-left a thing. It's not a thing. Do you even know the history of the alt-right? It's the far right rebranding themselves as the alternative right. Do you know what anarchists call themselves? Anarchists. Communists call themselves communists. Socialists call themselves socialists. The only ones trying to hide their true origins are the alt-right.

Also, the main difference is that the alt-right is a few years ahead? Really? I rather think the main difference is that the alt-right are crypto-fascists. This is both-sides'ing at its best. Ironically the very phrase "alt-left" is mainly pushed by, you know, the alt-right. I'm not even sure where you would run into that phrase anywhere else to start bringing it up so suddenly today. I wonder if that shines some light on where you get your information.

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[Pogue Mahone]

Exactly.

So strange that the recent article I posted on here about right wingers foaming at the mouth and boycotting Ritz crackers got literally two replies while some random Tweet has added two+ pages to the "cancel culture" thread.

That’s because right wingers who might defend the feckwits that get upset about the Ritz crackers ad are in a tiny tiny minority on here, while we’ve absolutely no shortage of people who would take @Revan to task for his misguided take on cancel culture and the “alt-left”.

 

[Olly Gunnar Solskjær]

That’s because right wingers who might defend the feckwits that get upset about the Ritz crackers ad are in a tiny tiny minority on here, while we’ve absolutely no shortage of people who would take @Revan to task for his misguided take on cancel culture and the “alt-left”. .

It's not just one or two examples, a couple of months ago there was a Tweet posted here about how the BBC are going to axe left-wing comedies (post #721) there were less than ten posts talking about it.

There was a thread about the BBC telling journalists not to "virtue signal" or attend LGBT parades. It didn't even reach half a page. Where was Revan then (only using him as an example as he bumped this thread, not meaning to single him out for any other reason)? or all the others posters who go round calling the caf Libcafe.

There are more than enough people who go around calling people "woke", "snowflakes" and all that that have no problem ignoring that stuff while popping up in countless other threads talking about how people are being "cancelled" or silenced by the left.

TBH I think you're severely underestimating the amount of right wingers on here, one look in the football forum any time a topic about racism or similar topics come up and it seems like a shit programmed video game with a never ending enemy spawn point.

 

[Revan]

Stop trying to make alt-left a thing. It's not a thing. Do you even know the history of the alt-right? It's the far right rebranding themselves as the alternative right. Do you know what anarchists call themselves? Anarchists. Communists call themselves communists. Socialists call themselves socialists. The only ones trying to hide their true origins are the alt-right.

Also, the main difference is that the alt-right is a few years ahead? Really? I rather think the main difference is that the alt-right are crypto-fascists. This is both-sides'ing at its best. Ironically the very phrase "alt-left" is mainly pushed by, you know, the alt-right. I'm not even sure where you would run into that phrase anywhere else to start bringing it up so suddenly today. I wonder if that shines some light on where you get your information.

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You can call it whatever you want. Would far-left suit you? If not, let me know what it suits you, and then I repost the remaining of the post with that label.

Ok then, far-left is a real thing. It is not as mainstream as far-right, as I said, it is just a few years back. It is a mirror image of the far-right, just on the other hand of the spectrum. Like any extremist ideology is extremely harmful. I hope that the sane people who are at the left of the spectrum do not let it become a mainstream view, because when it happens, good luck with it (same as how right-wingers allowed far-right ideology to win in the US, and now for normal right-wingers can either have to join far-right or become pariahs).

In Silicon Valley is has become poisonous. It will come to other place soon enough.

 

[nimic]

In Silicon Valley is has become poisonous. It will come to other place soon enough.

I'm sorry, Silicon Valley? Silicon Valley, the home of modern age ultra-capitalist oligarchs . . . and the far left?

Let's ring up @Eboue, resident "too left to vote for Biden"-American, and ask him how he feels about Silicon Valley.

 

[afrocentricity]

It's not just one or two examples, a couple of months ago there was a Tweet posted here about how the BBC are going to axe left-wing comedies (post #721) there were less than ten posts talking about it.

There was a thread about the BBC telling journalists not to "virtue signal" or attend LGBT parades. It didn't even reach half a page. Where was Revan then (only using him as an example as he bumped this thread, not meaning to single him out for any other reason)? or all the others posters who go round calling the caf Libcafe.

There are more than enough people who go around calling people "woke", "snowflakes" and all that that have no problem ignoring that stuff while popping up in countless other threads talking about how people are being "cancelled" or silenced by the left.

TBH I think you're severely underestimating the amount of right wingers on here, one look in the football forum any time a topic about racism or similar topics come up and it seems like a shit programmed video game with a never ending enemy spawn point.

I like this post! For using the term libcafe(TM) and for that gaming reference in the last paragraph. Have a biscuit!

 

[Olly Gunnar Solskjær]

I like this post! For using the term libcafe(TM) and for that gaming reference in the last paragraph. Have a biscuit!

Ooh excellent In return I have added one credit into my pro-Playstation post bank for the console war thread.

 

[KirkDuyt]

But who decides who the cnuts are with the shite views? Malignant narcissists on twitter?

That's the great burden God has placed on the good folks with common sense and 1/2 a brain.

 

[Revan]

I'm sorry, Silicon Valley? Silicon Valley, the home of modern age ultra-capitalist oligarchs . . . and the far left?

Let's ring up @Eboue, resident "too left to vote for Biden"-American, and ask him how he feels about Silicon Valley.

You realize that most of the people who work there are actually not ultra-capitalist oligarchs, right?

 

[SinNombre]

You realize that most of the people who work there are actually not ultra-capitalist oligarchs, right?

They are making decent money so they have to be ultra capitalist oligarchs.

I think the biggest issue of modern culture is how both the left and the right are so quick to label large swathes of the populations.

Nuance is a lost art.

 

[Halftrack]

It's sad when liberals get so brain poisoned that they think there's a far left that's a mirror image of the far-right.

It's like when they claim antifa and actual nazis are the same, or think horseshoe theory is real.

 

[Olly Gunnar Solskjær]

 

[Berbasbullet]

Reminds me a little when people attribute the nazis to the ‘far left’, which is of course ridiculous.

 

[Olly Gunnar Solskjær]

Reminds me a little when people attribute the nazis to the ‘far left’, which is of course ridiculous.

TBF being extremely racist is just the same as being extremely anti-racist because the word "extremely" is used for both, so there.

 

[nimic]

You can't spell anti-fascist without using the word fascist. That should tell you something.

They are making decent money so they have to be ultra capitalist oligarchs.

If your takeaway from my post was that I think the workers in Silicon Valley are ultra capitalist oligarchs, then I don't know how to help you any further.

I think the biggest issue of modern culture is how both the left and the right are so quick to label large swathes of the populations.

Nuance is a lost art.

There's like three different levels of irony missed here.

 

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[Kasper]

Let´s agree to cancel Silicon Valley so that their far leftism doesn`t poison the rest of the world.

 

[KirkDuyt]

Reminds me a little when people attribute the nazis to the ‘far left’, which is of course ridiculous.

Yeah, but National SOCIALISM man! Hitler was such a woke fecking libtard.

 

[dumbo]

Is alt right even a thing? Wasn’t it just a few twats on places like 4chan trying to be edgy, rather than any kind of proper movement?

Whatever, it’s not hard to see that there are two sides taking part in the culture war on Twitter. I assume Facebook too but avoid that place like the plague (have avoided Twitter too, for the last few months and feel better, mentally, without it)

Alt-right is a thing. It has it's own extensive Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right. That you want to portray it as one side of a two sided cultural war and yet seem to spend a lot of time going at this other side is not a good look.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Alt-right is a thing. It has it's own extensive Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right. That you want to portray it as one side of a two sided cultural war and yet seem to spend a lot of time going at this other side is not a good look.

An extensive Wikipedia entry that specifically references the post-2016 decline I alluded to in my following post.

I don’t even know where you’re going with your second sentence.

 

[hobbers]

Dangerously close to a double cancelling.

 

[berbatrick]

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Buhh ... from a Tory? From a right-wing culture warrior journalist? From a brve truth-teller? How is that possible?

It came from this frightening malign deleted tweet, oh my word, I have the vapours when I read it.

 

[Gehrman]

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[Pogue Mahone]

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Buhh ... from a Tory? From a right-wing culture warrior journalist? From a brve truth-teller? How is that possible?

It came from this frightening malign deleted tweet, oh my word, I have the vapours when I read it.

Yup. Cancel culture in action, right there. What a nasty, vindictive cow. Hopefully his employer sees sense and ignores her.

Is that the way this thread is going now? We all look for examples of attempted cancellations by people whose politics we disagree with and play down similar incidents from anyone whose politics we share?

 

[berbatrick]

Is that the way this thread is going now? We all look for examples of attempted cancellations by people whose politics we disagree with and play down similar incidents from anyone whose politics we share?

Yes. That's the way this discourse works.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Yes. That's the way this discourse works.

Cool. At least we’ve thrashed out the ground rules.

 

[berbatrick]

Cool. At least we’ve thrashed out the ground rules.

will update this thread with appropriate content once my allegiance has been determined

Have you fully embraced the PC gone mad dark side?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

will update this thread with appropriate content once my allegiance has been determined

Shit. A double agent. You sneaky bastard. Talk about playing the long game!

 

[Wolverine]

Yeah not a fan of that Allison Pearson woman, a lot of GPs, registrars and receptionists got a lot of abuse (and continue to do so) due to her lies in the Telegraph about GP's not seeing patients in person.

Its just grifter journalism. It is kind of worse I think her doing what she did seeing as she is on the media/PR advisory council for Toby Young's free speech union organisation/thing. A lot of them do it. Maajid Nawaz regularly and reflexively does the free speech schtick but aggressively counters the mildest bit of criticism to twitter randoms with legal action to stifle any criticism of him.

 

[dumbo]

I think it's an entirely fair argument to make that the most pernicious and malicious attacks upon basic freedoms of expression come, not from the lefty, wokey, sjw, Marxist blogger, (as is commonly suggested here and elsewhere), but from powerful, hypocritical righties with a bigoted agenda.

PiKaFaN1989@twitter trying to no-platform a eugenicist is a different power dynamic than a national newspaper journalist or Billionaire author threatening legal action against people expressing what seem fair opinions*. Even if they both have similar affects and you disagree with both, drawing a direct equivalence is disingenuous. As is the suggestion that posting examples of conservative, right wing oppression that highlight their inconsistency/hypocrisy on the issue of freedom of speech, amounts to blind political side picking. The premise of this thread and other discussions around culture wars is very much centered on an idea that a puritanical left is stifling freedoms.

*The NHS have received a degree of measurable hate of late (even if it was only easy to find twitter abuse, which it's not), and it seems entirely reasonable to suggest that this is likely stoked by those in question. And I wouldn't trust a transphobe or racist around my children.

 

[Welsh Wonder]

Yup. Cancel culture in action, right there. What a nasty, vindictive cow. Hopefully his employer sees sense and ignores her.

Is that the way this thread is going now? We all look for examples of attempted cancellations by people whose politics we disagree with and play down similar incidents from anyone whose politics we share?

I saw that unfold in real time and the fella tweeted about anxiety and suicide (below) and she pressed on regardless. She's vocally anti-lockdown and brings up the mental health aspect a lot but outed herself as clearly not actually giving a feck about mental health.

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