The streaming site I use has the unedited version of that Fawlty Towers on there. Is it ok to post it? Obviously warning for certain words used in it
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Christ, I missed that bit when pasting the story over, might be the cherry on the cake.At least some employees and clients on Civis Analytics complained that Shor’s tweet threatened their safety.
I think it was. I thought the whole point of the Major was to be an out of touch old man who barely knows his own name, not exactly promoting the term.Wasn't it Major? He was talking about Asians (maybe Indians) and then something about black people and used that word to describe them.
HBO stopping streaming temporarily, or BBC removing something from streaming, is surely not a permanent deletion. Hard copies still exist and are even being bought and sold, and in the case of Gone with the wind, someone showed that it's still available to buy/rent on 4 different online platforms including youtube. Fawlty Towers is still on Netflix.You’re not comparing like with like. What you describe is taking away unrestricted access to what some people believe is their intellectual property. The content will remain in existence. Which is not the same thing as permanently deleting/cancelling something that is deemed offensive.
It’s a bit of a moot point in this thread anyway. I don’t think there’s been many objection to stuff like Fawlty Towers etc. That’s been more of a theme in the “blackface” thread. This thread has been predominantly about individuals saying something wrong/stupid and being punished excessively as a result of the exquisite sensitivity of the twitter mob. See NY mag tweet above for excellent example.
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Agree. I loved Fawlty Towers back in the day and the Major was just a bumbling fool to me. The only character off the top of my head from old sitcoms that still makes me wince to this day is Spike Milligan's portrayal of a coolie in "Some like it hot".I think it was. I thought the whole point of the Major was to be an out of touch old man who barely knows his own name, not exactly promoting the term.
It Ain't Half Hot, Mum ?Guys, I think I'm going mental. What was that sitcom about the British indian army called? I can't find it on YouTube now and I'm sure spike Milligan was in it.
"It Aint Half Hot Mum"?" I don't think Spike Milligan was in it though.Guys, I think I'm going mental. What was that sitcom about the British indian army called? I can't find it on YouTube now and I'm sure spike Milligan was in it.
cheers brother!It Ain't Half Hot, Mum ?
You knew it was temperature related.
That's the fecking point. If you/I /we don't care enough to follow through why bother? WE'RE REALLY ANGRY... but ok that's fine. We weren't actually that bothered, we just all decided to go on the hunt.Well he should have fecking resigned but if he flat out refuses what are you gonna do
Spike was the blackface Indian coolie"It Aint Half Hot Mum"?" I don't think Spike Milligan was in it though.
Ignore everything my weed addled brain says. It's not spike Milligan it's Michael Bates.Spike was the blackface Indian coolie
I just did a GoogleSpike was the blackface Indian coolie
Yeah I corrected it dufferI just did a Google
Spike played an Indian in "In Sickness and in Health" and also something I've never heard of called (this is true) "Curry and Chips".
I don't think he was in Aint Half Hot Mum.
Firing a black academic for a tweet like that is frightening and to my mind racist in the extreme sense. It almost directs people of colour to act in one singular way only, something I find as racist as it gets.
I just did a Google
Spike played an Indian in "In Sickness and in Health" and also something I've never heard of called (this is true) "Curry and Chips".
I don't think he was in Aint Half Hot Mum.
For clarity (it's a pretty convoluted story), Omar Wasow (the black academic) wasn't the one fired, it was David Shor (the white data analyst who tweeted promoting Wasow's work).Firing a black academic for a tweet like that is frightening and to my mind racist in the extreme sense. It almost directs people of colour to act in one singular way only, something I find as racist as it gets.
argh ok. it's sheeeet for a different reason then (Hope that's not racist) I'm not very good at this..... i should probably keep quiet as I agree with the work.For clarity (it's a pretty convoluted story), Omar Wasow (the black academic) wasn't the one fired, it was David Shor (the white data analyst who tweeted promoting Wasow's work).
That's not what I said at all.That's the fecking point. If you/I /we don't care enough to follow through why bother? WE'RE REALLY ANGRY... but ok that's fine. We weren't actually that bothered, we just all decided to go on the hunt.
Bother telling us what it is that you stated and what happened as a result?I've been in the middle of some similar thing, for simply stating data-proven facts.
Person A (black-woman) tweets that 'Google DeepMind gave a lecture in topic X, and they did not cite my paper despite that I did it while I was doing an internship there. This is only because I am a Black Woman. The paper has only 5 citations, would this have happened if I was a white male?' (I did not do a verbatim quote)Bother telling us what it is that you stated and what happened as a result?
Me too, he was an awful keeperhttps://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-news-media-is-destroying-itself
I hate Taibbi, but this was commendable
I don't see a big deal with either of those links you post. In the first case, Pinker has such a pattern of problematic behaviour (the first example is literally him misrepresenting research that contradicts the report's own conclusion in order to downplay racism as a factor in police brutality) that is documented there that it's hard to defend him and easy to see why he is fostering animosity against his position. It is not a petition for him to be sacked but for LSA to remove him 'from both our list of distinguished academic fellows and our list of media experts'. Is that 'cancelling' or is that not just asking one institution to clarify how its values align with an individual and if it is happy to continue to associate itself with his work? Pinker would be free to carry on in life operating exactly as he has done irrespective of LSA's decision.It is reaching ridiculous levels, and I am starting to get annoyed. Obviously, Twitter and Silicon Valley are the worst symptoms, but the main problems are at the university level. Character-assassination nowadays can happen for anything, including having different scientific opinions. A couple of examples:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/...Onk200PvhM5e3isPvY/mobilebasic?urp=gmail_link (against Steven Pinker)
renaming Fisher lecture (arguably the father of statistics): https://www.change.org/p/american-s...dium=copylink&utm_campaign=petition_dashboard
I've been in the middle of some similar thing, for simply stating data-proven facts. Honestly, political correctness is the new religion of the ultra-left, and things are getting from bad to worse. I am part of academia and it is soon gonna reach extreme levels when you will need to do research based on political correctness, not on the truth.
Deep, funny, and insightful.I'll confess something - i'm a right winger. So what i do in life is this: i pretend that "cancel culture" is a thing. I also pretend there is a war on christmas and santa. Know those leftist college kids that have debts in the order of hundred billions? I pretend they are superpowerful and are in control of the country. In the other hand, i'm never ready to challenge the economic elite. I will never fight for free college; i call it communism. I know many people die without heath care, but this is not relevant when we have this culture war thing to face. In fact i always size with the strong against the weak in the society, because pc culture is not going to force me to care about those parallel subjects.
Its not about you, OP, i dont know you. I'm talking.about me.
butI'll confess something - i'm a right winger. So what i do in life is this: i pretend that "cancel culture" is a thing. I also pretend there is a war on christmas and santa. Know those leftist college kids that have debts in the order of hundred billions? I pretend they are superpowerful and are in control of the country. In the other hand, i'm never ready to challenge the economic elite. I will never fight for free college; i call it communism. I know many people die without heath care, but this is not relevant when we have this culture war thing to face. In fact i always size with the strong against the weak in the society, because pc culture is not going to force me to care about those parallel subjects.
Its not about you, OP, i dont know you. I'm talking.about me.
There is a cancel culture, but it isn't a left wing phenomena. It's an entirely liberal construct. Actual left-wing people have been victims of this as much as those on the right.I'll confess something - i'm a right winger. So what i do in life is this: i pretend that "cancel culture" is a thing. I also pretend there is a war on christmas and santa. Know those leftist college kids that have debts in the order of hundred billions? I pretend they are superpowerful and are in control of the country. In the other hand, i'm never ready to challenge the economic elite. I will never fight for free college; i call it communism. I know many people die without heath care, but this is not relevant when we have this culture war thing to face. In fact i always size with the strong against the weak in the society, because pc culture is not going to force me to care about those parallel subjects.
Its not about you, OP, i dont know you. I'm talking.about me.
Oh, it is totally left-wing. Obviously, most of the left-wing people are not part of it* (same as how most right-wing people are not racists), but those that are in cancel culture, are almost exclusively far-left wingers.There is a cancel culture, but it isn't a left wing phenomena. It's an entirely liberal construct. Actual left-wing people have been victims of this as much as those on the right.
Some of it is legitimate, as with racists, but lots of it is people leveraging statements they don't like in order to make comlpetely legitimate arguments seem politically dubious. It depends a lot on how much you really give a feck about Twitter. It's mostly a bunch of cnuts spouting idiocy imo and one more platform best left to die.
From what I've seen, it's liberal types who don't know the distinction between liberalism and left wing. The sort who think identity politics is somehow "left".are almost exclusively far-left wingers.
What is the difference between liberalism and left-wing? In what way identity politics are not part of the left-wing?From what I've seen, it's liberal types who don't know the distinction between liberalism and left wing. The sort who think identity politics is somehow "left".
If it were class based, there would be no cancellations. The working class doesn't have that power within those circles.
Liberalism is the ancestor of liberal humanism. It's neither right nor left wing. Republicans and Democrats are both liberals to some degree. It's an ethos of equality but based on enlightenment ideals of individual liberty rather than Marxist ideals of class struggle. The Tory goverments have been liberal in their legalisation of gay marriage which is neither a left or right wing proposal. It's a liberal proposal centred on identity politics.What is the difference between liberalism and left-wing? In what way identity politics are not part of the left-wing?
Very well put.Liberalism is the ancestor of liberal humanism. It's neither right nor left wing. Republicans and Democrats are both liberals to some degree. It's an ethos of equality but based on enlightenment ideals of individual liberty rather than Marxist ideals of class struggle. The Tory goverments have been liberal in their legalisation of gay marriage which is neither a left or right wing proposal. It's a liberal proposal centred on identity politics.
Left-wing politics takes class, defined economically, above individual identites. Being the broadest possible mode of unification among the same subset of disenfranchised, it seeks to build a class consciousness over and above any identity-based consciousness which it views as both liberal and factional. Hillary Clinton is a liberal, but she isn't left wing. Sanders is left wing but is also liberal. Mitch McConnell is liberal but is clearly not left wing.
The difference is subtle but can best be seen by a comparison of Labour in the 1970s with Labour as of today. One was left wing with liberal tendencies the other is liberal and sometimes has a left wing policy, like nationalising the rail industry or establishing the right of refusal for co-ops.
The main point is the right has embraced identity politics as much, maybe moreso, than the left, because it allies neatly with capitalism.
Cool, thanks for this explanation.Liberalism is the ancestor of liberal humanism. It's neither right nor left wing. Republicans and Democrats are both liberals to some degree. It's an ethos of equality but based on enlightenment ideals of individual liberty rather than Marxist ideals of class struggle. The Tory goverments have been liberal in their legalisation of gay marriage which is neither a left or right wing proposal. It's a liberal proposal centred on identity politics.
Left-wing politics takes class, defined economically, above individual identites. Being the broadest possible mode of unification among the same subset of disenfranchised, it seeks to build a class consciousness over and above any identity-based consciousness which it views as both liberal and factional. Hillary Clinton is a liberal, but she isn't left wing. Sanders is left wing but is also liberal. Mitch McConnell is liberal but is clearly not left wing.
The difference is subtle but can best be seen by a comparison of Labour in the 1970s with Labour as of today. One was left wing with liberal tendencies the other is liberal and sometimes has a left wing policy, like nationalising the rail industry or establishing the right of refusal for co-ops.
The main point is the right has embraced identity politics as much, maybe moreso, than the left, because it allies neatly with capitalism.