Champions League: Premier League hit by Uefa seed change
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Is it illogical to blame some of this on City's failings? Arsenal haven't impressed either, but City have been awful in Europe season after season.
We weren't so great in Fergie's second last season either, but City are surely the worst? Anyone got some statistics handy?
We weren't so great in Fergie's second last season either, but City are surely the worst? Anyone got some statistics handy?
isn't every league affected?
Yep.
Barcelona, United, Roma, Monaco. Decent group.
They went out in the group stages 2011/12, 2012/13 and out in the last 16 in the 2013/14 and this season.
As opposed to PSG, Lazio, Steau Bucharesti, Apoel.
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Yeah, this has been known about for a while now.
Champions League: La Liga hit by Uefa seed change
Champions League: Serie A hit by Uefa seed change
Champions League: that French League hit by Uefa seed change
Champions League: Serie A hit by Uefa seed change
Champions League: that French League hit by Uefa seed change
Blame them for what exactly? Not winning the UCL?
That rule has been declared long back and it is typical misleading headline. All except 1 of those 7 leagues is going to have 1 team only in pot 1.
good change in my opinion.
What did Romania ever do to you? Teams from the same country can't meet in the group stages.
What if the holder is also a champion of its country?
Champions League: Ukranian Premier League hit by good news from Uefa
Champions League: Ukranian Premier League hit by good news from Uefa
Its stupid because if, say, Spain had 4 teams in the semi finals and one of those did the European Double... They'd presumably still only get 1 seed, despite clearly having 4 of the 8 best European teams.
Its also stupid because Chelsea could, say, come runner up in both the Premier League and Europe and mid out on top seed despite clearly being one of the best teams around.
But yeah, its slightly better than how it was.
Its also stupid because Chelsea could, say, come runner up in both the Premier League and Europe and mid out on top seed despite clearly being one of the best teams around.
But yeah, its slightly better than how it was.
Also, CFR is getting relegated this season.
No Cluj in CL!
How the mighty have fallen. Both CL clubs in recent seasons at the very bottom, though, Cluj got deducted a lot of points.
I meant that one team from Cyprus -- Apoel.
"If the Champions League winner also wins its national title, then the eighth top-seeded team is the Dutch champions. That is PSV Eindhoven, which is only 30th in UEFA's club standings."
Are those 6 teams in red because there are 6 relegation places?
Random draw would be dreamy. No restrictions whatsoever.
Match fixing?
Arsenal and United will be in pot 2 with City in pot 3 (or 4) due to falling out of the top 16.
I like the old seeding simply since it punished City.
So they'll be winners in 2022 and 2023.
Romanian football is quite fascinating with this kind of things. Unirea Urziceni (08/09 champions and 3rd place in 09/10 CL group stage) doesn't even exist anymore.
Debts.
Was on UEFA site, Ukraine was on 8th place, Netherlands behind them on 9th. Maybe it wasn't updated...
Only La Liga. The other two have only one team in Pot 1 anyway. Not even sure Seria A had any.
EDIT: Apparently neither Juve nor PSG were in Pot 1. Not really "hit" then.
Are Russia and Portugal the 6th and 7th top leagues?
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a year out of the champions league should get people's appetites back whatever the draw.
But getting some big hitter would really spice it up.
But getting some big hitter would really spice it up.
I think this is a half decent change, actually. You've still got some sort of seeding system, but it changes it up a bit so you've not just got the 8 best teams automatically in different groups, with the group stages being a fairly dull affair.
This way, there's still a good chance you'll get some big games in the latter stages and that most big teams can make it through, but you've got a bit more variety and excitement in the group stages, which have become ridiculously formulaic in recent years.
This way, there's still a good chance you'll get some big games in the latter stages and that most big teams can make it through, but you've got a bit more variety and excitement in the group stages, which have become ridiculously formulaic in recent years.
No. Their overall record is what I'm talking about. I'm not exactly blaming them, but saying they're part of the reason the european co-efficient has changed, but that doesn't make as much to us now?
Season Stage P W D L
2014/2015 8 2 2 3
2013/14 Round of 16 8 5 0 3
2012/13 Group stage 6 0 3 3
2011/12 Group stage 6 3 1 2
total: 28 10 6 11
To be fair, while it isn't exactly a guarantee that the best teams are seeded, I don't think it's trying to be, and it doesn't necessarily have to be. Hell, if they wanted to, they could just make it a completely random draw. But with what they've done, they seem to be trying to add some excitement to the group stages, while still maintaining some sort of seeding system.
I don't think their record really matters in this context though because it's a change that's hitting all of the major leagues: it's not England dropping down because of poor performances from one of their sides in the CL.
I like it in principle, makes winning your league actually count for something once you're in Europe.
Initially we will see some lopsided groups though as not all leagues are equal
Initially we will see some lopsided groups though as not all leagues are equal
Well, that's a misleading title to say the least...
So it's possible to have bayern, madrid and city in the same group.
Also, CFR is getting relegated this season.
No Cluj in CL!
How the mighty have fallen. Both CL clubs in recent seasons at the very bottom, though, Cluj got deducted a lot of points.
That's bad. Hope this is the last time I hear about Otelul, the only memories I have of them are from that awful 11/12 season.
Nope, nothing to do with the performance of English sides in Europe, although City are partly responsible for highlighting the inadequacies of the current seeding system, especially when in 12/13 our group contained the champions of England, Germany, Spain and Holland.
The title makes it seem like it only affects the EPL.