I'm far from a Nolan fan but I loved this. The last hour is one of the most interesting things he has done in his career.
Film Christopher Nolan's 'Oppenheimer'
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Agree. Don't get some of the criticism re "it gets boring after the bomb test", the last hour is fascinating.
I didn't find it boring after the bomb test, but it definitely took me a while to get it all together in my head - i.e. where the Oppenheimer kangaroo court scenes before or after the Strauss scenes, trying to remember the different characters, their names, and their motivations and relationship to Oppenheimer, etc. It all eventually came together enough in my head to be able to follow, but I noticed the couple next to me seemed to switch off and were getting ready to leave with 10 minutes to go.
Arguably the easiest (after the Batman trilogy) Nolan film to follow!
They were definitely not too much into it. They came in 5 minutes late after half time, opened a massive bag of crisps, cheers'ed their beers by clinking the bottles during the movie, etc. I mostly found it funny, how lacking in self-awareness they were.
I thought it was probably Nolan's most accomplished film. I've always been a fan of his but I was impressed that he could make such a dialogue-heavy three-hour character study so compelling. Dialogue has never been his biggest strength, often exposition-heavy and slightly clunky at times but here, it was clever, funny and interesting throughout. Oppenheimer is probably his most compelling character to date and the nuances of the character relationships were far above any other Nolan film.
Maybe it doesn't have as many iconic moments as, say, the overall far inferior Interstellar but as a complete package, my first reaction is that it was his best film. Interestingly structured without being gimmicky, great performances by Murphy, Downey and Blunt in particular, spectacularly scored by Göransson. It was just really, really good. 9/10.
Maybe it doesn't have as many iconic moments as, say, the overall far inferior Interstellar but as a complete package, my first reaction is that it was his best film. Interestingly structured without being gimmicky, great performances by Murphy, Downey and Blunt in particular, spectacularly scored by Göransson. It was just really, really good. 9/10.
Brilliant piece of work. The last hour was masterful.
They sound awful
Half time?
Haha. I was sitting next to a old couple who kept doing this. The audiences for both Oppenheimer and Barbie have made a great argument that cinema should die(Some guy in Oppenheimer went to go for a piss as the countdown started
)Tbh I was fully expecting to hate it as I have never been a fan of Nolan yet the film won me over for most of it.
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Anybody playing around on their phone during a film in theatre should be thrown out and banned for life or publicly hanged.
... by the balls.
That is sociopathic behaviourHaha. I was sitting next to a old couple who kept doing this. The audiences for both Oppenheimer and Barbie have made a great argument that cinema should die(Some guy in Oppenheimer went to go for a piss as the countdown started
Yeah the movies here (Switzerland, but I think it's common across a lot of the region) have a 10 minute break in the middle.
HA! Small bladdered weaklings!
I can agree to a 2 hour and 30 minutes cut or slightly less but do you seriously believe a 90 minute cut would be better?So saw this tonight and yeah oddly it’s very similar to the Barbie film. The good bits are incredible and the bad bits are laughable awful.
Somewhere in the edit there is a 90 minute film that would be one of the greatest of all time. Currently it’s far too long and bloated. Nolan has such a odd world view that he can never really get to the core of an issue(The last hour is like a very boring and long twitter thread from Carole Cadwalladr). Although it’s probably the most left wing big budget Hollywood film since the first Avatar. Still it’s easily worth seeing at the cinema.
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Also: What did you find laughably awful?
SS wanted to see the Japanese die.
I don't see how a 90mn version would work either. I actually honestly feel there's a lot that has been left out, as I said, I easily could've watched a longer version of this. It was tight, the script was excellent, and nothing felt superfluous, for me.
90 minute cut?!
The movie was great. Why would you want less of it?
The movie was great. Why would you want less of it?
Agreed.
So many films need better editing but not this one.90 minute cut?!
The movie was great. Why would you want less of it?
Adam Sandler stars as Oppy the Magical Farting Pixie, who falls in love with a witch played by Drew Barrymore. Together they try to stop the evil Hitlertron 4000 (David Spade) and Doctor Fart (also Sandler) from reversing time so farts go inside everyone's bodies, causing them to explode in a big farty gas of farts. Starring the voice of Michael Caine as Fart Noise #46.90 minute cut?!
The movie was great. Why would you want less of it?
In 55 minutes Herzog pretty much shows hell on earth both physically and spiritually in Lessons Of Darkness. There should only be a hand full of films that go the 3 hour mark.
The big cut would have been getting rid of almost everything after the bomb(Only keeping the scenes where Oppenheimer is shown after effects of Hiroshima and the sit down with Truman). It’s completely different film after that event and Nolan goes into expensive BBC One dad drama mode
Start it in New Mexico and end it there with the successful test. Remove all the science jargon(Ideally I would have loved almost no dialogue at all).
To me the movie was at its best when I can’t hear what the characters are saying, the soundtrack is extremely loud and it’s cutting to between shots of fireballs and close ups of Cillian Murphy distressed face.
And to be somewhat fair to Nolan. The film I wanted would also be universally hated and career destorying
The Commie bits. In particular Nolan playing it straight with Oppenheimer and reading all 3 volumes of Marx’s Capital in German then saying property = theft. Granted most people won’t care but it was about as in depth as a Jordon Peterson speech.
Matt Damon and Robert Downey Jr have too many silly west wing style mic drops.
The sex scenes were awful.
Einstein by accident is the comedic relief of the film.
Matt Damon and Robert Downey Jr have too many silly west wing style mic drops.
The sex scenes were awful.
Einstein by accident is the comedic relief of the film.
The best was the guy who sat through 20 minutes of adverts and then when the film started left to get some drinks.
The common man is a strange beast.
Saw this yesterday. I'm not a massive Nolan fan at all - I thought The Prestige was great, his Batman films are very good for what they are, but most of his other stuff is meh and I'm generally a bit wound up by some of his directorial foibles.
This is genuinely brilliant, though. There are of course a couple of eye-rollers, like the fecking sanskrit Bhagavad Gita randomly opening on the 'destroyer of worlds' line in the sex scene, or the way that several different characters describe things happening during the Oppenheimer/Strauss hearings using the exact same words in order to beat you over the head with the parallels - but these are just nitpicks.
I was a bit wary of the film falling into the biopic trap of getting too far down the rabbit hole into relationships etc that I just don't care about, but the personal side of things was weaved together with the stuff with a wider scope very well and found just the right balance for me. The pacing and efficiency of dialogue was excellent too. it felt like there was barely a line wasted and as mentioned by others, you couldn't go for a piss without missing something that had moved the plot along. Most three hour movies feel like 90 minutes pointlessly stretched out to fill the time, this felt more like four hours expertly streamlined into three.
I barely remember seeing Downey Jr in anything other than Marvel shite, but he might even have been the best thing about the film. The scene where he first meets Oppenheimer and is somehow slighted by almost every word that comes out of Oppenheimer's mouth is great.
There have been criticisms of mostly swerving scenes showing the death and injury caused by the bombs, but I think they got that right as well, with it being primarily a biopic. The decision to have those elements superimposed onto the jingoistic crowd while Oppenheimer gives his rah rah speech was perfect.
On the Jamie Redknapp rating scale: it's a top, TOP movie.
This is genuinely brilliant, though. There are of course a couple of eye-rollers, like the fecking sanskrit Bhagavad Gita randomly opening on the 'destroyer of worlds' line in the sex scene, or the way that several different characters describe things happening during the Oppenheimer/Strauss hearings using the exact same words in order to beat you over the head with the parallels - but these are just nitpicks.
I was a bit wary of the film falling into the biopic trap of getting too far down the rabbit hole into relationships etc that I just don't care about, but the personal side of things was weaved together with the stuff with a wider scope very well and found just the right balance for me. The pacing and efficiency of dialogue was excellent too. it felt like there was barely a line wasted and as mentioned by others, you couldn't go for a piss without missing something that had moved the plot along. Most three hour movies feel like 90 minutes pointlessly stretched out to fill the time, this felt more like four hours expertly streamlined into three.
I barely remember seeing Downey Jr in anything other than Marvel shite, but he might even have been the best thing about the film. The scene where he first meets Oppenheimer and is somehow slighted by almost every word that comes out of Oppenheimer's mouth is great.
There have been criticisms of mostly swerving scenes showing the death and injury caused by the bombs, but I think they got that right as well, with it being primarily a biopic. The decision to have those elements superimposed onto the jingoistic crowd while Oppenheimer gives his rah rah speech was perfect.
On the Jamie Redknapp rating scale: it's a top, TOP movie.
Meh, it was OK.
No idea if this was any good or not, I reckon people could convince me either way. I think it'd probably help to know something of Oppenheimer beforehand and his story. Oddly, I'm not sure I'd heard of the guy before this movie was announced.
I also had the sound issues, in imax. Some dialog was lost to the excessive background noise.
I also had the sound issues, in imax. Some dialog was lost to the excessive background noise.
Also starting Rob Schneider as a shart. A role he’s been typecasted in.
For real?
Me neither. Maybe I had just heard the name in passing but nothing that registered. He’s not that famous worldwide (now might be)
Innit
He wasn't there. The entire story is told from either his or Strauss' point of view. Him imagining his colleagues skin fall off their face told you everything you needed to know.
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Yeah and and I'm someone who takes an interest in all sorts of random shit including plenty of history, so I find it more strange than you can, believe me
He seems a pretty important fellow.Ended up seeing this for a second time, and I still found it pretty average.
You couldn't edit it down - he's done his absolute best to keep it as brief as possible - which to me means it's a badly written film. It's too long, there's no pacing, it's one dimensional.
Thought I might enjoy it more, but nah. It's like an a film by AI; there's no art in it.
You couldn't edit it down - he's done his absolute best to keep it as brief as possible - which to me means it's a badly written film. It's too long, there's no pacing, it's one dimensional.
Thought I might enjoy it more, but nah. It's like an a film by AI; there's no art in it.
I am not sure when I first learned about him. Either in physics class in high school, or some of the discovery channel I watched as s kid.Yeah and and I'm someone who takes an interest in all sorts of random shit including plenty of history, so I find it more strange than you can, believe me
Why?
Watched it today, what an incredible piece of filmmaking it was amazing, the last bit to me was the most compelling as it was the bit I didn't have any idea of beforehand, the whole thing has made me want to find out more so will he shopping for some books on this in the next few days
Great first two hours of cinema, but the last bit was a complete waste of time.
Wife wanted to go
The bolded parts make no sense.
Guys, I just got out of my 8th screening. It was the worst one yet.
Like, I predicted the entire plot cus it didn't change. How lazy is that?
Like, I predicted the entire plot cus it didn't change. How lazy is that?