City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome

Rob said:
Just heard yesterday’s athletic football podcast, which is usually quite good, where they talked about City’s summer transfer window and how they’re likely to spend big.

Managed to not mention the charges or potential punishment once.

I was kind of impressed.
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The Athletic are champions of selective outrage. They have some great journalists who are more than capable to go in-depth on this, but they have decided since the beginning to be massive cheerleaders on it. They were giddy with anticipation when talking about the summer window in that podcast.

Martyn Zeigler is one of the very few who has been consistently tough on this.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
The Athletic are champions of selective outrage. They have some great journalists who are more than capable to go in-depth on this, but they have decided since the beginning to be massive cheerleaders on it. They were giddy with anticipation when talking about the summer window in that podcast.

Martyn Zeigler is one of the very few who has been consistently tough on this.
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When the Athletic started I thought they where going to be different and unbiased. Guess I was wrong.
 
JBG said:
When the Athletic started I thought they where going to be different and unbiased. Guess I was wrong.
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Don't worry, they're always ready to do an exceptional podcast when there are job cuts at Manchester United or when there are bad decisions about the women's football team at Manchester United or when something related to Greenwood at Manchester United happens. Sanctimonious Adam Crafton (who is in fairness an excellent journalist) will come on to tell you how it's the worse thing to happen to football, while the elephant in the room destroys the couch and smashes the TV to bits.
 
Laughable that there is all this delay. Money talks bullshit walks situation it seems.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
Don't worry, they're always ready to do an exceptional podcast when there are job cuts at Manchester United or when there are bad decisions about the women's football team at Manchester United or when something related to Greenwood at Manchester United happens. Sanctimonious Adam Crafton (who is in fairness an excellent journalist) will come on to tell you how it's the worse thing to happen to football, while the elephant in the room destroys the couch and smashes the TV to bits.
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Exactly.. I wasn't even thinking about when they attack us(they all love kicking us when we're down). Just in general, "spread the love/hate". They never seem to cover these kind of news, maybe mention it, but go deep, like with those examples you mentioned.
 
Greyfog said:
The PSG fans going wild last night looked real enough to me.
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I think you have got confused by the phrase i wrote 'Real football fans'.
I should have put 'real football' into quotes.
I'm not saying the fans aren't real, however pathetic sugar daddy fans act.
I'm saying that the clubs themselves aren't real. They're facsimiles. They are an artificial construct of what a real club has built but without the history and soul that got a real club to the top.
 
Top_Bins said:
I think you have got confused by the phrase i wrote 'Real football fans'.
I should have put 'real football' into quotes.
I'm not saying the fans aren't real, however pathetic sugar daddy fans act.
I'm saying that the clubs themselves aren't real. They're facsimiles. They are an artificial construct of what a real club has built but without the history and soul that got a real club to the top.
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You're completely correct, but increasingly this point is being made to a generation of adults who have become adults through a period in which city normalised cheating. A lot of people in their 20s for example just don't grasp a time before City and that's ultimately been city's aim. Ride it out, play the long game and the chance to act was immediately. It should never ever have been allowed to happen.

That said, and I've made this point before, however good city fans felt after any of their tainted wins, will never come close to how for example a life long Wigan fan felt winning the FA cup. City fans think that because they feel joy it must mean it's real, but it isn't - its just the best joy available to a team that has cheated. Sleeping with a beautiful woman might feel amazing, but when you've paid for it it can only feel so good
 
SER19 said:
You're completely correct, but increasingly this point is being made to a generation of adults who have become adults through a period in which city normalised cheating. A lot of people in their 20s for example just don't grasp a time before City and that's ultimately been city's aim. Ride it out, play the long game and the chance to act was immediately. It should never ever have been allowed to happen.

That said, and I've made this point before, however good city fans felt after any of their tainted wins, will never come close to how for example a life long Wigan fan felt winning the FA cup. City fans think that because they feel joy it must mean it's real, but it isn't - its just the best joy available to a team that has cheated. Sleeping with a beautiful woman might feel amazing, but when you've paid for it it can only feel so good
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Your second paragraph is interesting. I wouldn't know how a City fan felt or if they will be honest enough to admit that the wins felt hollow after a few days of winning their first premier league or champions league.
 
Greyfog said:
Your second paragraph is interesting. I wouldn't know how a City fan felt or if they will be honest enough to admit that the wins felt hollow after a few days of winning their first premier league or champions league.
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You don't have to really. You just have to ask yourself how you or the majority of people you know would feel. If we were bought by Saudi tomorrow, spent 600m (in some world where we can circumvent FFP) and won the league next year or the year after, Im sure it would be a league success full of objectively exciting moments, but deep down there is simply no way it would feel the same as if Amorim happened to turn us around organically. What Leicester felt under Ranieri is not the same as city predictably winning a title under every single manager since they cheated the first one. We can do the whole 'nobody knows how another individual feels' until the end of time - but broadly speaking any football fan with a brain understands the difference between types of success, and broadly speaking globally, there is no respect for City as a football club. It could have been Southampton that were bought - and we'd be here talking about them.
 
SER19 said:
You don't have to really. You just have to ask yourself how you or the majority of people you know would feel. If we were bought by Saudi tomorrow, spent 600m (in some world where we can circumvent FFP) and won the league next year or the year after, Im sure it would be a league success full of objectively exciting moments, but deep down there is simply no way it would feel the same as if Amorim happened to turn us around organically. What Leicester felt under Ranieri is not the same as city predictably winning a title under every single manager since they cheated the first one. We can do the whole 'nobody knows how another individual feels' until the end of time - but broadly speaking any football fan with a brain understands the difference between types of success, and broadly speaking globally, there is no respect for City as a football club. It could have been Southampton that were bought - and we'd be here talking about them.
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Those fans should be content watching the same teams spend hundreds of millions of pounds and scoop up trophies while their own club hope for once in a lifetime Leicester experience?

Broadly speaking, maybe I don't have a brain (sports for me is just entertainment, I am not emotionally invested in any football club) so I would like to know if the different type of success really matters to those fans.
 
Greyfog said:
Those fans should be content watching the same teams spend hundreds of millions of pounds and scoop up trophies while their own club hope for once in a lifetime Leicester experience?

Broadly speaking, maybe I don't have a brain (sports for me is just entertainment, I am not emotionally invested in any football club) so I would like to know if the different type of success really matters to those fans.
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Ya i don't think you see sport the same way I do. If you're here rationalising UAE buying a random club to wash their global image and hoover up cups and titles I don't think there's much point is us talking anymore. You keep tuning in to sports for the reasons you want to
 
SER19 said:
Ya i don't think you see sport the same way I do. If you're here rationalising UAE buying a random club to wash their global image and hoover up cups and titles I don't think there's much point is us talking anymore. You keep tuning in to sports for the reasons you want to
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20 EPL titles in your cabinet yea I will wait for that fan with none to tell me that if a sugar daddy bought them and they won the league, it will feel hollow and meaningless because it wasn't organic.
 
Greyfog said:
20 EPL titles in your cabinet yea I will wait for that fan with none to tell me that if a sugar daddy bought them and they won the league, it will feel hollow and meaningless because it wasn't organic.
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Your logic is so childlike. I've asked you politely to not bother continuing this trite tired pseudo argument to justify cheating
 
SER19 said:
Your logic is so childlike. I've asked you politely to not bother continuing this trite tired pseudo argument to justify cheating
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Yes it is childlike and brainless. Then don't reply my post and it ends there. Simple
 
SER19 said:
As i said, childlike.
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Yea the child who doesn't want to continue the tired justification of cheating but wants to have the last word. Reply this my guy and I won't reply I promise. Good night amigo
 
Greyfog said:
Yea the child who doesn't want to continue the tired justification of cheating but wants to have the last word. Reply this my guy and I won't reply I promise. Good night amigo
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Enjoy United in another final, troll harder next time
 
What's going on with this? All gone hush hush again? Absolute piss take there's no decision announced yet.
 
They're waiting for the CL spots race to play out before giving the verdict? Also not clear if City will appeal which could drag it on longer.
 
They said they expected any news to be delayed until the summer. Somebody knows though, so I’m surprised they’ve managed to keep a lid on it all this time.
 
Should be completely independent of what happens this season. If they’re waiting to see how the league lands before confirming the punishment then something really smelly is happening.
 
I imagine that any sort of punishment that (presumably) includes a point deduction will be much cleaner to enact in the summer, rather than during the season when other teams can argue that the punishment will have influenced how their games went, both before and after.

If the punishment is handed out in the summer then there’s a clean slate without that added layer of complications.
 
So what happens if the verdict comes out in the summer, and they appeal (which of course they will) - does that mean things get delayed even further and they just continue to spend huge amounts as per usual, and probably go straight back to the top of the league when the season starts?
 
Hasn't it been established there is no means of appeal on this ruling?

Either way I wonder if FIFA have asked the PL nicely not to throw any shade on their new shiny Club World Cup - that finishes mid July
Would be funny of City get hit with unprecedented punishments whilst winning it
 
Red_Aaron said:
Hasn't it been established there is no means of appeal on this ruling?

Either way I wonder if FIFA have asked the PL nicely not to throw any shade on their new shiny Club World Cup - that finishes mid July
Would be funny of City get hit with unprecedented punishments whilst winning it
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I'm not sure. I keep hearing different things. Some have said they can't appeal, while others have said they can.
 
'Rule B6 of the Premier League's Handbook stipulates that, in order to trigger the expulsion of one of its members, clubs would have to vote as part of a Special Resolution. This would require 15 clubs to vote in favour of expulsion.'

One can only hope.
 
Top_Bins said:
'Rule B6 of the Premier League's Handbook stipulates that, in order to trigger the expulsion of one of its members, clubs would have to vote as part of a Special Resolution. This would require 15 clubs to vote in favour of expulsion.'

One can only hope.
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Imagine the scenes if only 14 vote for them to be kicked out .
 
klayton88 said:
What's going on with this? All gone hush hush again? Absolute piss take there's no decision announced yet.
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It was a 12 week trial with 130 charges.

When Everton and Forest got hit with one charge each that took a a fair few months to sort out.

I never understood where the idea that we'd get a verdict in March came from.

I think it's likely a good thing that it hasn't come out yet as a quick trial and quick verdict would mean that the charges didn't stick and were easy to dismiss.

The longer it takes likely means the worse it gets for City.
 
Top_Bins said:
'Rule B6 of the Premier League's Handbook stipulates that, in order to trigger the expulsion of one of its members, clubs would have to vote as part of a Special Resolution. This would require 15 clubs to vote in favour of expulsion.'

One can only hope.
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If the clubs were smart they'd all realise that kicking City out would be beneficial for everyone in the long term, however City have spent many years greasing up certain clubs. Villa and Burnley immediately come to mind, plus you have fruit cake ownership models like Forest, Chelsea and Newcastle.

Hopefully Newcastle have realised that you can still build a successful team within the rules if you get your manager and recruitment right, but I still worry that they'd want to ditch the rules completely and go on a massive unrestricted spending spree.
 
Cloud7 said:
I imagine that any sort of punishment that (presumably) includes a point deduction will be much cleaner to enact in the summer, rather than during the season when other teams can argue that the punishment will have influenced how their games went, both before and after.

If the punishment is handed out in the summer then there’s a clean slate without that added layer of complications.
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So, they can issue their points deduction punishment from the start of next season then, they shouldn't have to wait until the summer to announce it.

It would be quite amusing if they issued a 100 point deduction from the start of next season though, would mean them playing the whole of next season for nothing. They would have spent £500M, or whatever, on transfers and those players wouldn't get to play for a PL title for 2 years.
 
MaMa given red said:
Hopefully Newcastle have realised that you can still build a successful team within the rules if you get your manager and recruitment right, but I still worry that they'd want to ditch the rules completely and go on a massive unrestricted spending spree.
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If the city punishment is worth taking, then Newcastle's humble owners can start playing pass the parcel with brown envelopes to their heart's content.
 
They are apparently ready to pay the 160m€ that Leverkusen is asking for Wirtz.



Maybe its only negotiation tactics by Leverkusen though, the source is the Kicker, where certain journalists are basically their "propaganda machine" .
 
BayernFan87 said:
They are apparently ready to pay the 160m€ that Leverkusen is asking for Wirtz.



Maybe its only negotiation tactics by Leverkusen though, the source is the Kicker, where certain journalists are basically their "propaganda machine" .
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These kinds of tweets just show the journalist doesn't know anything.

The idea that players or their agents will ask permission to speak with another club is a completely antiquated notion. Agents are talking all the time with other clubs. And of course Wirtz' agent is talking with Manchester City. He will do that if his client is genuinely interested, if his client is kind of interested as a backup plan, and if his client is not interested at all and just has his heart set on Bayern or nothing. There is zero that we can read into it.

In the end, the player's wish is almost always the most decisive factor, especially with big players. Leverkusen can hold out for a big fee but Wirtz will go where he wants to go. My guess is that is still Bayern.
 
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