City target Dos Santos

[Drifter]

Under Ramos he could go on to be a star.

 

[BaldwinLegend]

Get real. I haven't written him off as a player. I've just stated what is obvious to the naked eye. He is not a winger any more. At 34 He clearly struggles out wide more often than not. It isn't a coincidence that his most impressive performances over the last 3 months have all come with him in a more central role. People should start getting used to the idea that his best role on the pitch has finally changed.

Such as? Name one...

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Such as? Name one...

The champions league final

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

No Brown is better then Pique simply because Brown is a better defender then Pique. He is faster, more experienced, a better tackler, a better leader, he has better positioning erm he is a better defender. .

Brown isn't a better tackler than Pique. He isn't a better Leader, neither is his positioning better. Anyone who watched him in La Liga and has watched Brown through out his United stay can see this clearly.What Brown is, is much faster and more experienced. That is why he is better. Nothing else.It's the same with Park. He crosses better than Dos santos, has better work rate, makes better decisions, defends better, doesn't ran into blind alleys when dribbling as often all because he is far more experienced. That makes him better. Period. Only if Dos santos was a mature player like Messi was at 18 woud you have a point. But he isn't that way at all.

There again we are not talking here about the defense where experience is crucial. We are talking about the flanks where technique, dribbling and pace are much more important.

Experience matters every where. Park has the technique of a decent winger and has the experience too. Dos Santos as a player isn't even close to him ATM. And at a club like United talent alone wont get you a start. You need experience too.

...... Those are the criteria on which a winger is judged on.

Yeah right. A winger is judged mainly on creative end porduct, link up play with the other team members and decision making. Not goals. Do santos' over rall link up play is very average, his end product is erratic at best and his decision making is still poor. All he does best is score goals ATM. Basically Park shits on him as a winger right now. Because Giovanni is too raw. Thus he can't be a better player than Park. This is blatantly obvious

In my opinion Id rather have a raw version of Ronaldinho (thats how you have called him) who can develop and become a world class winger rather then a useful but above average winger who have little chance of ever winning a first team place.

Park is not there to win a first team place. He is there to be a quality squad player. In addtion, as I said before we are more than capable of having Park, Dos Santos, Nani and Ronaldo in the same team. But you would rather have a 34-35 year old Giggs on our wing instead of Park. Because you clearly rate him little.

And how can you play Dos Santos ahead of Park and Nani if he (in your opinion) is not better then Park?

Because he has more talent and if I was a manager I'd rate talent above experience. That is why I wanted to keep Pique and let Brown leave. This is something you already know very well.. .

PS you only agree with those who agree with you.

So what? You are no different.

 

[rooney__10]

I would probably rather us take zarate on loan then go for dos santos. If we could loan zarate for the year I'd like that.

 

[JCurr]

I would probably rather us take zarate on loan then go for dos santos. If we could loan zarate for the year I'd like that.

Agree with that fully. Zarate could turn out a cracking little player. Would be a very subtle signing.

 

[devilish]

Brown isn't a better tackler than Pique. He isn't a better Leader, neither is his positioning better. Anyone who watched him in La Liga and has watched Brown through out his United stay can see this clearly.What Brown is, is much faster and more experienced. That is why he is better. Nothing else.It's the same with Park. He crosses better than Dos santos, has better work rate, makes better decisions, defends better, doesn't ran into blind alleys when dribbling as often all because he is far more experienced. That makes him better. Period. Only if Dos santos was a mature player like Messi was at 18 woud you have a point. But he isn't that way at all. Experience matters every where. Park has the technique of a decent winger and has the experience too. Dos Santos as a player isn't even close to him ATM. And at a club like United talent alone wont get you a start. You need experience too.Yeah right. A winger is judged mainly on creative end porduct, link up play with the other team members and decision making. Not goals. Do santos' over rall link up play is very average, his end product is erratic at best and his decision making is still poor. All he does best is score goals ATM. Basically Park shits on him as a winger right now. Because Giovanni is too raw. Thus he can't be a better player than Park. This is blatantly obviousPark is not there to win a first team place. He is there to be a quality squad player. In addtion, as I said before we are more than capable of having Park, Dos Santos, Nani and Ronaldo in the same team. But you would rather have a 34-35 year old Giggs on our wing instead of Park. Because you clearly rate him little. Because he has more talent and if I was a manager I'd rate talent above experience. That is why I wanted to keep Pique and let Brown leave. This is something you already know very well.. . So what? You are no different.

Wes is a better defender then Pique. If that wasnt the case then SAF would have sold Wes and kept the Spaniard. I cannot understand why you rate Wes so poorly. I mean we are talking here about a player (a first teamer in a team capable of making the golden double) with more then 200 appearances with us and more then 17 caps with England. How can you ever compare him with Pique?

I do rate Park. He is a good utility player but he is not first team level. On the other hand Dos Santos has potential to become better then that. Regarding Giggs I apologise for still having faith in a player who will be remembered as one of the best wingers football had ever had. SAF tend to do that same mistake.

Experience is crucial for a goalkeeper and a defender, because you do one mistake in that role and you are fecked. The flank role is different, you are judged on the chances you create and your ability to score goals, in fact both Ronaldo and Giggs won a place when they were very young.

I still cannot understand how you can say that Dos Santos is still inferior to Park but you would still play Park ahead of him.

PS I had just told you that you're right on part of your post.

 

[JCurr]

If Brown's appearance record this season didn't speak for itself, 1-0 to Bolton at the Reebok should've erased any doubt. I reckon Anelka probably sent Pique flowers after that match. And comparing a squad player(Park) to a teenage starlet(Gio) is absolutely lunacy. Give it a rest. FFS, lads.

 

[devilish]

If Brown's appearance record this season didn't speak for itself, 1-0 to Bolton at the Reebok should've erased any doubt. I reckon Anelka probably sent Pique flowers after that match. And comparing a squad player(Park) to a teenage starlet(Gio) is absolutely lunacy. Give it a rest. FFS, lads.

Dos Santos is not a 16 yr old but a 19 year old. He is as old as Anderson who is pretty much one of the best attacking midfielders in the EPL. What's wrong in saying that he has more talent then Park? If I compared Dos Santos with Ronaldo than that would be lunacy but we are talking here about comparing him with a utility player.

 

[JCurr]

I reckon that a 17 yr old Cristiano Ronaldo was better then Park. Whats wrong with that? Now Im not saying that Dos Santos is as good as Ronaldo. Im just saying that he is more technically gifted and a better scorer then Park and if I had to choose between the two Id choose Do Santos. Whats wrong with that?

Nothing. But the discussion is pointless. A teenager with the ability to star at the top level being compared to a squad player who's reached his full potential... Why?

 

[devilish]

I reckon that a 17 yr old Cristiano Ronaldo was better then Park. Whats wrong with that? Now Im not saying that Dos Santos is as good as Ronaldo. Im just saying that he is more technically gifted and a better scorer then Park and if I had to choose between the two Id choose Do Santos. Whats wrong with that?[\QUOTE]

Nothing. But the discussion is pointless. A 17 year old with the ability to star at the top level being compared to a squad player who's reached his full potential... Why?

You know that they do play in the same position.

When Giggsie burst into scene he was still 17 and fresh from the youth academy. Despite all he was given a first team place ahead of England's international left winger. Now Im not saying that Dos Santos is as good as Giggs or that he should take a first team place with us. Im am only saying that he is a better option then one of our utility players. Btw, Dos Santos is 19, the same age Anderson had when he signed with us. Would it had been stupid to say (before April, because in April Anderson turned 20) that he was a better option then Fletcher?

 

[JCurr]

You know that they do play in the same position.

When Giggsie burst into scene he was still 17 and fresh from the youth academy. Despite all he was given a first team place ahead of England's international left winger. Now Im not saying that Dos Santos is as good as Giggs or that he should take a first team place with us. Im am only saying that he is a better option then one of our utility players. Btw, Dos Santos is 19, the same age Anderson had when he signed with us. Would it had been stupid to say (before April, because in April Anderson turned 20) that he was a better option then Fletcher?

Blimey. I agree with you. Your opinion is an obvious one. Not even worth discussing, in fact. That was my point. Shite argument. You should've pulled out the a long time ago.

 

[devilish]

Blimey. I agree with you. Your opinion is an obvious one. Not even worth discussing, in fact. That was my point. Shite argument. You should've pulled out the a long time ago.

I apologise for the misunderstanding then.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Wes is a better defender then Pique. If that wasn't the case then SAF would have sold Wes and kept the Spaniard.

Fergie kept Wes because he is way more experienced and almost as talented. & Fergie felt that was too good to lose. Fair dues to him. That is beyond obvious. It had zero to do with Pique being worse than Brown.

I cannot understand why you rate Wes so poorly.

I rate him poorly? Yous re about that Devlish? Especially when I didn't want a player of his ability and talent to be wasted as mere back up on our bench & believed Pique was better suited to that role? And you did and still do think brown is fantastic for a mere bench role for us (which is what he is getting by staying)? and I rate him less than you?

I mean we are talking here about a player (a first teamer in a team capable of making the golden double) with more then 200 appearances with us and more then 17 caps with England. How can you ever compare him with Pique?

Because he has no business, with all those things you mentioned, being finally over his injury problems, coming into the peak years of his career, being just back up to Rio, Vidic and who ever we bring in at fullback, on our bench. Pique who is just as talented but far less experienced was better suited for the role of back up.

I do rate Park. He is a good utility player but he is not first team level. On the other hand Dos Santos has potential to become better then that. Regarding Giggs I apologise for still having faith in a player who will be remembered as one of the best wingers football had ever had. SAF tend to do that same mistake.

First off, you can 't rate Park and then claim Dos Santos a totally raw teenage no where near first team level, is a better player than him right now. Sorry, but that is not poosible.

Secondly Fergie hasn't made your "mistake" at all!. Of late he hasn't been using Giggs out wide but more centrally. & the up turn in the great mans performances has justified this particular tactic. & my statements on Giggs' role change all the more.

Experience is crucial for a goalkeeper and a defender, because you do one mistake in that role and you are fecked. The flank role is different, you are judged on the chances you create and your ability to score goals, in fact both Ronaldo and Giggs won a place when they were very young.

Neither of them won it based on criteria with goals scored. It was for their ability to link up play and create chances plus to find space for the rest of the team to operate. Dos Santos in terms of that is not close to Park at all. As a big fan of Dos Santos I'm under no illusions about this. Dos Santos isn't better than Park yet. Not by a long shot. Especially when you add experience into it

still cannot understand how you can say that Dos Santos is still inferior to Park but you would still play Park ahead of him.

Because you are either just stubborn or you don't bother to read what I post properly. I already said if I was United manager start Gio ahead of Park because I rate talent above experience. Because I feel talent always matures faster when given game opportunity. If you can't understand that then the problem lies with you, dude.

PS I had just told you that you're right on part of your post.

I am aware. That was duly acknowledged

 

[Count Duckula]

Once again the Chief tries his tactic of subtly changing his argument when he's clearly losing the fight.

He's now no longer claiming that selling Pique and keeping Brown was a bad thing because Pique is more skilled, better for the team and a better prospect, as he had originally been arguing, but now he claims it's for Brown's own good, and that at his age he should be playing regular first team football.

Newsflash: He IS playing regular first team football. Wes Brown is a better defender than Pique. That's a fact. Ferguson keeps his best players. Were Pique a better defender then we would have kept him and sold Brown. We didn't.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Once again the Chief tries his tactic of subtly changing his argument when he's clearly losing the fight.

He's now no longer claiming that selling Pique and keeping Brown was a bad thing because Pique is more skilled, better for the team and a better prospect, as he had originally been arguing, but now he claims it's for Brown's own good, and that at his age he should be playing regular first team football .

You are clearly mad. My views never ever change. It' s who constantly fails to grasp them. Ending up viewing them as separate thing. It's not the first time you've done this.

Newsflash: He IS playing regular first team football.

Because Gary Neville hasn't been fully fit all season. Once he is and if Alves is bought as seem to be the case, Brown will be back on the bench. Guaranteed.

Wes Brown is a better defender than Pique. That's a fact.

No that's merely your opinion.

Ferguson keeps his best players.

Wrong. Fergie keeps what suits his team best. That's why men like O'shea will never ever be sold and Fortien was around as long as he was. It has zero to do with them being "his best players"

Were Pique a better defender then we would have kept him and sold Brown. We didn't.

Bullshit. Fergie wasn't about to let a defender of Brown's calibre walk out on a free. This was obvious the moment he offered hima new deal. Once that was signed Pique' fate was sealed. He was never EVER going to get in to the side ahead of player with Brown's experience. & with Evans around too, his only option was to leave in order to save his career. Which he has duly done.

 

[Name Changed]

We can safely say now that he's not going to Citeh!!

 

[rooney__10]

New Tottenham signing Giovani Dos Santos, 19, has revealed he turned down Manchester United, Chelsea and Ajax to sign at White Hart Lane from Barcelona. "I also had good offers [from them], but I loved Juande Ramos's ideas. I am going to do great things with the Spurs," he said. (Setanta Sports, 1110)

as if he would turn down us, well I hope he didn't anyway if we were in for him. That would be him and ramsey.

 

[GlastonSpur]

... as if he would turn down us, well I hope he didn't anyway if we were in for him. That would be him and ramsey.

... and Mpoku

 

[charleysurf]

New Tottenham signing Giovani Dos Santos, 19, has revealed he turned down Manchester United, Chelsea and Ajax to sign at White Hart Lane from Barcelona. "I also had good offers [from them], but I loved Juande Ramos's ideas. I am going to do great things with the Spurs," he said. (Setanta Sports, 1110)

as if he would turn down us, well I hope he didn't anyway if we were in for him. That would be him and ramsey.

His agent obviously told him that "Manchester" were interested in him, but Dos Santos thought United were the only club in Manchester.

 

[Mojo_pin]

United interested? Rubbish.

Glad he is at tottenham...would be surplus to requirements as we have better attacking options.

 

[Name Changed]

New Tottenham signing Giovani Dos Santos, 19, has revealed he turned down Manchester United, Chelsea and Ajax to sign at White Hart Lane from Barcelona. "I also had good offers [from them], but I loved Juande Ramos's ideas. I am going to do great things with the Spurs," he said. (Setanta Sports, 1110)

as if he would turn down us, well I hope he didn't anyway if we were in for him. That would be him and ramsey.

I'd say fair play to him. He turned down extra money for footballing reasons. I respect that.

 

[Eto'odinho]

Funny kid, perhaps he's trying to endear himself to Spurs' fans right away. Saying daft things like these might help BUT he might want to consider more appropriate opposition (Notice my reluctance to use the word "rivals").


Arse? naah too big, West Ham? perhaps, QPR? Possibly.

 

[hotshot2004]

Have watched him a lot this season, not really impressed.

Agreed mate. didn't impress me either. Barca are thinking along the same lines, rather than paying more money.

 

[The_Red_Hope]

Spurs are going to be interesting to watch this season, with all the new additions. I think its going to be safe to say that they are NOT going to play defensive football.
They'll still somehow end up conceding bucketloads of goals and finishing 6th or 7th.

 

[SharkyMcShark]

What has happened to this lad? Only made three appearances all season.

 

[Anderson Searl]

He fell apart, completely... Would love to know the behind the scenes story on his career so far because he didn't even look bad in Spain when he started out, maybe if it's a case of "fame to head"

 

[MUFC07]

I don't know why he hasn't gone out on loan, he played really great for us in the WC qualifiers when we were struggling and in the Gold Cup too. I thought the old Harry would give him some chances after those performances but he got that injury which left him out for arround 3 months, but should be ok by now.

Hope he gets some playing time, he is one of our best players for the upcoming world cup and I really rate the Dos Santos - Blanco behind Vela offensive play Aguirre has come up with.

 

[BAMSOLA]

He's still only 20 yrs old so plenty of time for him to get back on track. I actually thought he'd be an amazing signing for Spurs and he with a little luck still can be. The question is whether he's actually suited physically to playing in english football.

Personally, i'd like to see him return to Spain, with a side like villareal who favour a more patient technical style of football than that used by most prem sides. He can still be a very good forward for somebody and will possibly have an good world cup this summer.

 

[Alex]

Under Ramos he could go on to be a star.

 

[Partizan]

. I am going to do great things with the Spurs," he said. (Setanta Sports, 1110)

.

Another,

 

[Brwned]

He's never performed on the pitch at club level(besides the Championship), really. Obviously talented but had one good performance for Barca in a competitive game and I'm not even sure he's had that for Spurs.

 

[Kevin]

Glaston reckoned he'd be a superstar with them.

 

[GlastonSpur]

Glaston reckoned he'd be a superstar with them.

He still might be. He's only 20.

 

[jatin]

He still might be. He's only 20.

are your 6 months over now?

 

[GlastonSpur]

are your 6 months over now?

Yup, and so is the injury which meant he missed most of them.

 

[jatin]

Yup, and so is the injury which meant he missed most of them.

but he still shit and worse than rosicky (who was also out)

 

[UnitedBoy]

he caught my eye many times at barce/
i watched him play a couple of times for spurs when he first moved there, he still looked promising and filled with talent, havent seen him since.

 

[Top]

he caught my eye many times at barce.

Yeah all those misplaced passes and dwelling on the ball did stand out quite a bit at Barca.

 

[EZee]

Glaston reckoned he'd be a superstar with them.

well he thought he would be a superstar under ramos... and well we know what happened there