- Joined
- May 10, 2009
- Messages
- 36,760
Exactly.He was obviously not talking about Jose.
This post is replying to a complete strawman. Or if you're intentionally ignoring Di Matteo then carry on.
Exactly.He was obviously not talking about Jose.
This post is replying to a complete strawman. Or if you're intentionally ignoring Di Matteo then carry on.
Because even with the CL victory, he lasted a total of 8months at Chelsea. He was then unemployed for 2 years before being appointed by Schalke where he resigned after 7 months after 2 wins in 10 games. He then joined Villa and was sacked after 4 months.In what sense is Di Matteo winning a double within a few months a fluke?
Conte has participated in 4 CL campaigns, seems odd, I had to google it too, and those 4 were with 3 different teams. I'm sure his best work in the CL is ahead of him. Not sure if it will come anytime soon as Spurs will obviously prioritize finishing top 4 over the CL, but we shall see.Currently Conte is better than Mourinho, but Conte is in his prime now while Mourinho is at the later stage of his career so this comparison is unfair. Comparing both at their prime though, Mourinho was the better coach, no contest. He won 2 CLs including a treble, while Conte is yet to have Any European achievement while being in his prime.
He also failed in Europe League even with Juve who were dominating Serie A. Couldn't win it with Inter either. His overall European record has been pretty bad.Conte has participated in 4 CL campaigns, seems odd, I had to google it too, and those 4 were with 3 different teams. I'm sure his best work in the CL is ahead of him. Not sure if it will come anytime soon as Spurs will obviously prioritize finishing top 4 over the CL, but we shall see.
This is his European record.He also failed in Europe League even with Juve who were dominating Serie A. Couldn't win it with Inter either. His overall European record has been pretty bad.
I don't disagree that he is still in his prime and still has years in front of him to achieve something in Europe, but till then, comparing both and Mourinho in their prime, it's easy to choose Mourinho.
The 13-14 European campaign was a huge failure. The fact he couldn't even reach Europe League final later was also a big problem.This is his European record.
With Juve
12-13 - (his first season in the CL) - Lost to Bayern in the quarter final. Bayern won the CL
13-14 - Finished 3rd. Lost in the Europa SF to Benfica.
With Chelsea
17-18 - Qualified from a group that had Roma and Atletico. Lost to Barca in the RO16.
With Inter
19-20 Finished 3rd in a group that had Dortmund and Barcelona. Lost Europa Final against Sevilla.
It's not disastrous considering the fact that he's won league title/s everywhere it was expected of him, sure the 3rd place finishes look bad like this, but for a manager who is consistently winning/competing for league titles, he has to improve here only slightly. I'd be okay with the consistent last 8 finishes in the CL, an occasional final here and there.
The thing about CL/KO competitions is that I don't like to judge managers based on them, league finishes and style of football over CL finishes for me. Others can disagree.
That's right, looking at his European exploits in isolation does make for bad reading, but since he has proven his mettle in 2 leagues with 3 different teams, It's only a matter of time he does well in a campaign. The football is the same, I don't look at the CL as an elite competition, as much importance as it holds, it's still football just with room for fewer mistakes and requires a bit of luck.The 13-14 European campaign was a huge failure. The fact he couldn't even reach Europe League final later was also a big problem.
It's honestly a bad record for a manager of his caliber and success on domestic level. Mourinho had better success rate in his 4 European campaigns, winning UEFA cup and CL and reaching CL semi with Chelsea.
I do get these depend a lot on luck of the draw and league is a better measurement of consistency, I have said that myself multiple times, but ultimately, it will be a black spot in Conte's career if he couldn't manage at least one European achievement.
Don't disagree with any of that. I think Conte is one of the best managers at the modern times and he's still young and in his prime. Enough time for him to achieve more both domestically and on European level.That's right, looking at his European exploits in isolation does make for bad reading, but since he has proven his mettle in 2 leagues with 3 different teams, It's only a matter of time he does well in a campaign. The football is the same, I don't look at the CL as an elite competition, as much importance as it holds, it's still football just with room for fewer mistakes and requires a bit of luck.
Jose was different gravy, at their peaks, there are very few managers who can be compared to him. Conte is a very good manager right now, even with his current record, improving in the CL will make him an elite one.
Small but valid correction - Forster, not FosterStrong rumours that the first three signings we are aiming for are Bastoni, Perisic and Foster (GK) - Foster and Perisic on a free would be good business and Bastoni would be one of the signings of the summer if we managed to pull it off.
So no cycling GK then.Small but valid correction - Forster, not Foster
Bastoni would be an absolute coup.Strong rumours that the first three signings we are aiming for are Bastoni, Perisic and Foster (GK) - Foster and Perisic on a free would be good business and Bastoni would be one of the signings of the summer if we managed to pull it off.
TrueSmall but valid correction - Forster, not Foster
Not much of it - Perisic would be a free transfer, so a signing on fee plus wages.
He is better in term of demanding to the board , if you don't realize half of spurs starting eleven now are different than what they are under Jose.Currently Conte is better than Mourinho, but Conte is in his prime now while Mourinho is at the later stage of his career so this comparison is unfair. Comparing both at their prime though, Mourinho was the better coach, no contest. He won 2 CLs including a treble, while Conte is yet to have Any European achievement while being in his prime.
You can ask the same questions about ETH, Arteta, anyone.So even with Conte's very impressive league record, has he ever had to compete against 2 machines like City or Liverpool? If he doesn't reach their standards, will he be content with that, can he accept that, or will he demand more of the club and players until they get to breaking point?
Conte doesn't need to beat them directly but outperform them in league against lower teams ranked below them. For that they have two precious players in Kane and son. He will definitely strengthen them with marginal upgrades to create a strong unit.Conte is an excellent manager, he's an absolute winner in the league, there's no denying that.
However, like Jose, the worry for me is when the winner isn't winning. I know he won the league with Chelsea when Klopp & Pep were in the league, but they hadn't built the winning machines they are now.
So even with Conte's very impressive league record, has he ever had to compete against 2 machines like City or Liverpool? If he doesn't reach their standards, will he be content with that, can he accept that, or will he demand more of the club and players until they get to breaking point?
The club look like they are going all in for him this season, which is fair enough, but can they do that in multiple windows? Can they convince him to build the club over time, to sign a new contract, to move his family over & settle over here? Because until that happens, it's hard to look at it as anything other than hes looking for a quick, sharp, short reign.
Don't mention Perisic or you will get inundated with posts from Mourinho haters.Perisic would be a good signing TBF. Similar to when Milner joined the scousers. Gives them good squad depth and Conte knows how to use him.
I don't know what his fitness levels are like, but at his age I'd imagine he'll be used generally on a rotational basis - maybe 1 game played, followed by 1 game rested - coming in for the more important or difficult games.Perisic would be a good signing TBF. Similar to when Milner joined the scousers. Gives them good squad depth and Conte knows how to use him.
Yeah as a wingback he will be very good. It's weird too, Conte sent him on loan because he didn't like the profile of player or because Perisic didn't want to play as wing back (not sure about the reason) now he is signing him.Perisic would be a good signing TBF. Similar to when Milner joined the scousers. Gives them good squad depth and Conte knows how to use him.
He played over 40 games for Inter last season. I expect him to be our first choice left back with Sess being his backup but yes there will be rotation of course.I don't know what his fitness levels are like, but at his age I'd imagine he'll be used generally on a rotational basis - maybe 1 game played, followed by 1 game rested - coming in for the more important or difficult games.
If he's used mainly on the left side, which is where I gather he usually plays, and if we sign a left-side CB as first choice ahead of Ben Davies, then Davies and/or Sessegnon could be used as the wingback rotation for Persic. I'm not sure if Reguillon is staying or going.
Won the league with Perisic at LWB, so guess they both saw the light in the endYeah as a wingback he will be very good. It's weird too, Conte sent him on loan because he didn't like the profile of player or because Perisic didn't want to play as wing back (not sure about the reason) now he is signing him.
He will be easily their first choice wingback and arguably Inter's best player.
Yeah he had all attributes to be very good wingback, as usual Conte is elite coach who knows how to get best out of his players.Won the league with Perisic at LWB, so guess they both saw the light in the end
Big pickup for Spurs. Expensive(inter were offering in the region of £180k a week) too
Bastoni would cost a bomb. Only way he leaves Inter is they push him out, and they push him out for a monster offer
Spurs gave City a hard time last season. Beat them at the Etihad tooBissouma for 25m. Not bad. Conte cannot compete with City but everyone else will probably have have hard time to beat them.
Spurs actually match up the best of any team v Man. City in recent times (unless you mean over 38 game season). Have no psychological hang up playing them like Arsenal do.Bissouma for 25m. Not bad. Conte cannot compete with City but everyone else will probably have have hard time to beat them.
I think he is talking about getting ahead of them in the league.Spurs gave City a hard time last season. Beat them at the Etihad too
I mean I can see Conte battling Klopp for second spot.Spurs gave City a hard time last season. Beat them at the Etihad too
Agree, hopefully Ten Hag can do the same. Do remember though he had top players at the clubs though. E.g Kane, Son, Kante, Martinez etcI know conte has a bit of a label of being like a pep, mourinho etc.. in terms of needing big bucks to succeed but he generally seems to do well with getting lesser players performing within his system, he tends to take one team's rejects and make them a valuable in his system like kulusevski, lukaku, moses, sessegnon etc.. and is seemingly rebuilding spurs without having to chase high profile big names for big fees all summer like we have done. For the 80 million we wasted on Maguire, conte could probably rebuild 3 out of 4 positions in our back 4 for the same price.
What planet are you living on? This is Spurs you're talking about. They will never win the league.Lucky for him.
Last time he could get and have Kante.
This time for Spurs he has a really really DM/Allround CM player in Pierre-Emile Kordt Højbjerg. Will become 27 in Aug. Crucial crucial ingredient and factor behind Conte and Spurs top 4 last season.
And Pierre-Emile Kordt Højbjerg for Denmark? Denmark key key factor and ingredients behind a really strong, good and solid collective team and Denmark.
A hard work aggresive CM player. Consistent and really good with the ball too.
If Conte and Spurs are winning the premier league in the future.
Pierre Højbjerg will be like Kante and Rudiger be really really important key factors and ingredients.
With a strong and solid central spine in
Pierre Højbjerg CM - Kane CF -CB and GK. I would consider Spurs up there.
Maybe Conte is missing a Rudiger as CB and Lhoris good enough?
But for top 4 last season and future premier league title. If you have Kante, Hæjbjerg make your team hard to beat. Solid rock defend + plus really good attack. Special counter attacking like Leicester winning season.
I will not write off Conte winning premier league for Spurs in the future. You never know. Because with Pierre Højbjerg, A world class CB and a strong central spine and squad depth. It can happen and its not unrealistic target and goal.