You can't argue we didn't make a mistake not appointing him after City defeat last November
Conte | Spurs Manager
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He was also humiliated in 3 cup games TBFFake facts. He’s only list 5 since taking over. And definitely not 5 in the last 11. Actually it’s exactly 4 in the last 17. But they got 35 points form that 17 games run. More than us, despite the fact we’ve only lost 2.
The ranking since he took over.
An out of form chelsea team destroyed them & their fa cup beating was as bad as ours
Would you want him to come back at some point?
Well, it depends doesn’t it?
I mean, surely you can see the argument against Conte if you’re a club that’s attempting to shift direction into a more sustainable, long-term vision based on attacking, pressing football? That is supposedly what we’re doing under Murtough with the appointment of Ralf, and if that’s the aim then appointing Conte who has clashed with the board before leaving in his last three jobs isn’t really something that makes me sigh with relief and say “finally, a long-term plan”. Conte would not have joined on a six-month contract so just replacing the current interim with Conte in an interim role wouldn’t have been practically feasible.
Sure, we might have had a few more points on the table at this stage, but to what end? If we’re looking to appoint ETH that would’ve been a no-go for the summer with Conte on a two-year deal and potentially getting us into the CL, and next season Pep is probably leaving City meaning that they’ll probably go for ETH then. We’d have spent the summer chasing Conte’s targets who, like Mourinho, are more likely to give us short-term success and when that doesn’t pan out he’ll burst into a ball of flame and we’ll be back to where we started with another set of players not suitable for the game that the board seemingly wants the club to play.
Both parties (the owners and the man himself) have moved on and Allegri will have another year or two. United might be the best match again next Summer, if he leaves… otherwise, who knows? PSG would bore him to death.
Conte is a top coach but you cant build a club around the cnut and everybody should know this by now
Wow ok, somehow I had missed it completely. Best of luck to him and hope he can be good addition to the coaches.
Irony being….
Utd beating Spurs 3-0 triggered Levy into signing Conte, while Utd were sat in the changing room thinking all’s well.
Utd beating Spurs 3-0 triggered Levy into signing Conte, while Utd were sat in the changing room thinking all’s well.
Only if the Man Utd board decide to 100% trust and back the manager, not the players when the result is not as good as expected in the beginning.
Conte if he get enough backing from spurs he can build a very good squad in two windows. Players believe in methods and managers when they started to win things.
Managers like Conte has that edge when players look that achievements and then started to win through his methods it becomes habit and rub it on entire atmosphere and fans will give huge lift to team.
Any one can win matches but why saf or pep so special because they have the ability and authority to say what to do whoever that player may be. Conte is also there in that elite group of managers. Spurs are lucky to get him. If they keep him happy and put him as most important person in their club may be he will win the damn league for them within three years.
Managers like Conte has that edge when players look that achievements and then started to win through his methods it becomes habit and rub it on entire atmosphere and fans will give huge lift to team.
Any one can win matches but why saf or pep so special because they have the ability and authority to say what to do whoever that player may be. Conte is also there in that elite group of managers. Spurs are lucky to get him. If they keep him happy and put him as most important person in their club may be he will win the damn league for them within three years.
He is among the best as a head coach but there is only so much he can do. Spurs doesn't have the resource like Man City and United.
Another way of looking at it is they've won 6 out of those 11 games while outscoring their opponents. They beat City 2-3 at the Etihad in that run.
Alternatively you could also look at their more recent results to see an uptick in form. They've won 5 of their last 6, with the 3-2 loss at united being the only blemish in a run that started with a 0-4 bashing of Leeds, 5-0 hammering of Everton, 0-2 away to Brighton, 3-1 against West Ham and the Newcastle 5-1 win. 21 goals scored in the last 6 and 5 against, with three of those goals in the aforementioned 3-2 loss against united
Not sure about that, his signings at Inter were generally not great. Loads of old players and PL rejects. AC Milan in comparison have been building a young team that will last for 5+ years.
it is 2022 already and the SAF or Wenger "manager" role doesn't exist anymore. There are other people responsible for transfer and player recruitment. The head coach is being consulted of course but that's pretty much about it.
That is a fantastic method.
Revolutionary indeed
That's ignoring the context I gave. I didnt stop short at that, but thanks for the unnuanced observations
I rate Conte very highly but this is really really unlikely. As an Arsenal fan, I obviously have a vested interest in this logic but I think its pretty sound.
To begin with, he's unlikely to stay that long. He has had 8 jobs in management and stayed in only one of them longer than two years. He signed an 18 month contract and didn't move his family to London. Objectively, there is very little reason to believe he will be around in three years.
There are also two fundamental flaws in Spurs' plans for short term success.
First, they are building around two star forwards who are on the precipice of significant decline. Almost without exception, every elite forward who spent big parts of his 20s in the PL over the last 20 years has declined significantly, in effectiveness or availability or both, somewhere between the ages of 29-31. Sometimes still very good players, but definitely a level below their peak and oftentimes only capable of playing 25 league matches a year or something like that. Next year Kane will be 29, Son 30. The following year 30 and 31, etc. For them to even have a chance of contending for the league title, they would definitely need Kane and Son to maintain their current elite level and play ~35 league matches a year for the next couple seasons and the odds are just strongly against that happening.
Second, the end of the Kane/Son window is also the end of the Klopp/Pep window, with both of them still under contract, still having the core of their current teams, and likely doing everything possible to maximize their chances of silverware, especially the league title, over the next couple seasons. Even Conte's brilliant 16-17 Chelsea side - which benefited a lot from not playing in Europe and also catching the rest of the league at an opportune moment - would not win the league against the current incarnations of City or Liverpool in my opinion. And Conte won't build a team that good at Spurs.
Now, is it possible that Conte builds a very good team that has a couple top four seasons? Absolutely. And, honestly, that's probably really what Daniel Levy ultimately wants. He needs the team to get back in the CL for financial reasons and to give him leverage in sponsorship deals related to the new stadium.
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They thrashed Everton, Leeds (in free fall at the time where even we scored 4) and Newcastle though, three of the worst teams in the league. You left out losing to Middlesbrough in the FA Cup which was one of their most important games left too.
His signing at Inter was top notch. With the resources he had, he spend it wisely. He doesn't have blank check, like Guardiola or to sign just top players, cause he was at Inter.
Everyone can look to what he transform Inter in just 2 years. Does people even check their facts before claiming something?
Barella was solid signing, they got Hakimi for 40m., just to sell him for 71 a year later. Vidal for 1m. was a solid option, that actually helped them, and still helping them great.
He also turn Lautaro into top player. Godin did his job. And of course our reject - Lukaku for 80m. which 2 year later they sold for 116m.(both numbers are in euro). While Lukaku scored 64 goals in 2 season 2 for them.
His signing were great and he transform them completely.
Some of our fans unfortunately are living in a fantasy world, and i'm saying this with all due respect. They want us to play highly attacking football, with high % possession and somehow also to have top notch defense.
And the savior is - Erik ten Hag. Yeah sure. I'm just wondering who will be the next magical guy if Ten fail miserable, which i think will happen for various reasons.
Very few teams can play that type of football successfully. And this teams spends ton of $$$ year after year. And i don't give a thing for the so call "beautiful" football when we aren't winning a team. The chance is a lot higher to turn into second Arsenal, then in City or etc.
BTW Zidane with Real didn't win 3 CL in a row playing highly attacking football, but playing balanced and smart football, and relying on high speed counter attacking football in a lot of matches.
And the same fans that are living in this fantasy are constantly talking about this magical manager and this magical project, which should have happen like 5 years ago already. And yet they still say we should build from the scratch, and that is just not serious.
We needed a proven manager with winning mentality that is proven he can build top team and win stuffs with it. World class manager was available, and was waiting for us, and our board manage to screw this opportunity.
Also in today football everything is short term. This has been proven time after time in the last years. And some people still didn't learn their lessons.
And lastly Conte is very intelligent man, and he knows his option, he knows that he burned some bridges and he won't have much opportunity, so we were a perfect destination for him to come and stay. And his demands are far from the likes of Guardiola with big $$$$ every year on top of already build in team.
Our board could have held talks and explain they want "long-term" manager and to settle thing, see what Conte plans are, and at least discuss everything.
But, no we hired a guy that never ever have managed a top team, and on top of that, never won anything noticeable, and never was even close to top manager. We had every chances to get into the top 4, and this should have been the priority, cause top 4 open doors, for players, more spending and everything that comes with CL.
BTW, Rangnick stats with us are exactly 42.86%, which is not stats of a top team, neither a top manager. On top of that, we ain't playing a good football, and we ain't scoring goals.
How the Premier League table would look if it began when Conte was appointed by Tottenham. Note: all teams have played 20 league games unless it’s stated otherwise.
1. Manchester City – 53 points
2. Liverpool – 50 points
3. Tottenham – 39 points
4. Arsenal – 37 points (18 games played)
5. Chelsea – 34 points (GD +12) (19 games played)
6. Manchester United – 34 points (GD +4)
7. Wolves – 33 points (21 games played)
8. West Ham United – 31 points (21 games played)
9. Newcastle United – 27 points
10. Aston Villa – 26 points
Consider Conte has no preseason and needed to work with existing players in the middle of the season. He did extremely well.
1. Manchester City – 53 points
2. Liverpool – 50 points
3. Tottenham – 39 points
4. Arsenal – 37 points (18 games played)
5. Chelsea – 34 points (GD +12) (19 games played)
6. Manchester United – 34 points (GD +4)
7. Wolves – 33 points (21 games played)
8. West Ham United – 31 points (21 games played)
9. Newcastle United – 27 points
10. Aston Villa – 26 points
Consider Conte has no preseason and needed to work with existing players in the middle of the season. He did extremely well.
Yes not sure about anything in future but his track record for coaching ability is top though. Not poch or tenhag can claim the pedigree same as Conte. He is there and done that in his all tenures.
As for transfers nobody will be 100 % sure about players and their success. As much as he get the responsibility in player recruitment their board too share the responsibility. His latest additions to spurs team not bad. So there is 60 % chance of him recruit well and build a good squad.
I am happy if spurs win nothing in next 20 years. But not sure Conte will keep that spursy trend though. That man is a winner and give it all for his team.
If there is an opportunity to capitalise he will do that. He may not win big games at spurs but he can win most others to win 80 + points with further addition to squad.
I actually think he would have been the ideal manager for us to build the club around. Manages with an iron fist like a young Fergie. Conte only falls out with players who aren't giving him everything. These are the players we should be getting rid of anyway and should always back the manager over.
Imagine a young Fergie joining United now. He'd be sacked within a season as our current bunch of entitled twats would down tools on him and the board would back them over the manager as usual. The man was ruthless and demanded a huge amount from his players. Remember his post final interview in Scotland. He slammed his players for their standard of play even though they won the cup. He was every bit as ruthless and demanding as Conte is today and probably even more so.
Our biggest problem isn't the players. It's our business focussed board who will always sack the manager other than get rid of their big name players bringing in the big merchandise sales and ad money. The players know this now so play lazily knowing the manager always takes the fall at United.
Van Gaal was right. Manchester United is no longer a football club.
Many don't understand this simple logic. You were run by Fergie in all those successful years by not providing lollipops and dolls to players but shoeing them when needed to. This spoiled childish attitudes from this era players will never go well with manager like saf. He would have slapped Pogba and his big fat agent the moment he talked public about his unhappiness.
It's ironic to claim most want to search next Fergie but didn't want the bold character to stand up against the harm that killing the club.
He would be if he got everything he wanted but he wouldnt get everything he wanted. He is like Jose without the moaning and he just leaves.
Honestly I think it’s slightly different, I think if he gets all he is promised is more realistic, if he doesn’t get what was agreed he will throw a massive tantrum.
I responded directly to a post about their league form. Newcastle are much improved from the form that had them in the bottom three for long spells before Howie took over. Theyre currently not among the three worst teams in the league.That thrashing is the worst performance they've put out under Howie's charge.
Don't do it to yourself. It will blow up at some point no matter what you just have to hope he delivers the success first.
I have to say a Chelsea supporter telling another supporter how bad something could blow up is at the very best slightly amusing.
what's happening in Chelsea's takeover may bring Chelsea back into the mix with Arsenal and Spurs if they have an American owner. So Arsenal and Spurs may be able to challenge for the 3rd place trophy in the future.
Because I've seen Conte close up. If you really think he will put up with Levy and penny-pinching long term than I can only admire your optimism.
When he was with us he told the world how Harry Kane was his dream striker. Now he's got said dream striker he went out of his way to claim he couldn't compete with a team that had Malang Sarr marking him.
Hope Levy is prepared for the fallout.
2 cup games. The other defeat to Chelsea was a league game. 1-0. Chelsea may have deserved it but they mostly won it thanks to a Ziech banger and a smart TSilva drawing an imaginary foul to rule out Kane’s goal.
They tend to lose some games when they have to play twice in a week. But almost every time he’s had the week to prepare a game they’ve performed quite well.
Kulusevski wasn’t expected to start against City, but he did and performed very well. He said in a interview that Conte actually told him a week before the game that he was going to start and explained stuff to him in individual video sessions almost every day leading to that game (his first start).
Conte is one an 18 month contract, it’s not long term. He joint Spurs knowing we don’t bank roll, if he had of been in charge from the start of the season the stats show we would be 3rd right now. I don’t think any Spurs fans think that If Levy reneges on promises Conte is well with in his right to go noisily.
Of course he isn’t. He has never been prepared for the number of times in the last 2-3 years how badly he has handled the football side. There is very little Spurs fans can do about it.
He would have been issued some form of promises that he will get a lot of what he wants.
This is a guy who walked out on the club he played most of his career for where he had a guaranteed title every season because in his eyes he wasn't getting enough. He will want to be backed to the tune of a title bid at the absolute minimum.
chelsea won both legs of the cup semi
They beat spurs 3 times around then
Because Sarr is representative of Chelsea’s squad level and Kane is representative of Spurs squad level.
Well why is he still in post? He got budget signings in Jan, yes they have been good but he’s still here? From what I know is this season was to be treated as a *preseason* and next season is the money shot, we still just have a tiny shot of challenging.