For the last twenty years Van Gaal was travelling the whole Europe and gathering knowledge from every major football culture and management styles in Holland, Spain and Germany. In that regard he may have even a wider horizon of knowledge than Sir Alex.
Bearing in mind the duty of LvG is to RESTORE United to pre Moyes, and not to transform United per se, the stock market example is not really that relevant. United has a blip for 10 months, and since the departure of Moyes, it's always going to be business as usual. Yes, he's a more than solid manager, and every one trusts him to steady the ship. He knows best not to rock the boat whilst introducing his philosophy for sure.Since he came to club our situation on stock exchange is slowly improving. I don't think it's that high as Mirror reports but you don't have to be an analyst to notice that stability is slowly returning to this club also through these 'behind the scenes' changes that doesn't necessary have to mean something bad.
Where are the Ladyman/Ogden pieces which have people like @#07 worried?
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I dont think they are as bad as you seem to think they are. I'm even more curious why you're so worried based on those pieces.Tweet
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They obviously got the briefing from the same source.
Because Lord Odgen and Lord Ladyman wrote them.I dont think they are as bad as you seem to think they are. I'm even more curious why you're so worried based on those pieces.
No doubt he will. He's not the type to stick around if he can't do what he wants.Looks as though LVG is turning a lot heads behind the scenes already, especially with the directors and in particular the commercial side of things.
The major factor against Mourinho last summer was the way he let's his feelings known without holding back, despite often being told otherwise by the Chelsea heirachy. Quite ironic now that we have a manager who will, if not atleast match Jose, but go even further than that to get ultimate control.
Really is a breath of fresh air, although it may end in a particularly heated breakdown. Fergie towed the party line for far too long, and that's coming to show now... Moyes was completely overawed by everything and doubtless didn't have the personality to stand up to his bosses.
Do we think LVG will get completely authority?
ha. very good. and i didn forget about responding to your other post btw. should be up by tomorrow (it's early evening here) at the latestBecause Lord Odgen and Lord Ladyman wrote them.
Everything they write we should take as gospel.
Jeeezus, where do these posters come from ?. The man has been in position for 5 minutes FFS and already some fecking stupid questions are being asked.
Are you serious with that? The most successful manager handled our football side of things in a disastrous manner? Wow! If we were so successful under such horrible football management, how did we end up as the pst successful English club of all time? The revisionism and attitude change towards Fergie is crazy. Can you at least give some examples as to why you think that? And don't start with him not spending money or ignoring midfield because he built a side that worked for him.If you bothered to read the original post properly instead of jumping all over the bandwagon of posters who have misinterpreted it maybe you'd understand the point.
I am delighted that he seems to have put a few noses out of joint. It's long been needed at this club, because under Fergie & Moyes it was an absolute shambles how the football side of things were handled. Let alone the media and supporter relations which to me are at an all time low.
Mate, don't bother...the best way to go about it when you read those type of posts is either ignore them or else hope that the poster is a wum (for his own sake)Are you serious with that? The most successful manager handled our football side of things in a disastrous manner? Wow! If we were so successful under such horrible football management, how did we end up as the pst successful English club of all time? The revisionism and attitude change towards Fergie is crazy. Can you at least give some examples as to why you think that? And don't start with him not spending money or ignoring midfield because he built a side that worked for him.
Apologies I should have said in his final few years, obviously I don't mean his entire tenure.Are you serious with that? The most successful manager handled our football side of things in a disastrous manner? Wow! If we were so successful under such horrible football management, how did we end up as the pst successful English club of all time? The revisionism and attitude change towards Fergie is crazy. Can you at least give some examples as to why you think that? And don't start with him not spending money or ignoring midfield because he built a side that worked for him.
Don't get this idea at all. That's not the way to build a squad. You don't build a squad by signing 10 players in one summer, you build it gradually, by having young players waiting in the wings to take over from the more established ones. That's the smooth and organic way to do it. It's how Fergie did it his entire United career and the idea that he would 'stop' buying players in order to leave his successor a broken team and a chest full of money is misguided because that's the wrong way to go about it and Fergie knows that more than anyone.Maybe Fergie didn't want to spend a lot of money on a team his successor might not like. Maybe he wanted his successor to have the money to spend.
With regards to your point about not trusting youngsters - I believe the added pressure of City splurging meant he could not trust them as much as he would have liked to. However that doesn't mean he didn't trust the kids. They just followed a different development plan as we saw with the likes of Cleverly, Welbeck etc. which was to loan them out to get some experience and then come back ready as a squad player before making the step up. I think we underestimate how much more tougher the league has become since the days of Class of 92 and to break into a team like United you have to be Ronaldo/Rooney level good at such a young age. So I have to disagree that he wasn't bringing in the youth. Rafael is also a case in point. And the kids you have mentioned were never good enough to stake a squad place let alone a first team and we have seen that in their new clubs.Apologies I should have said in his final few years, obviously I don't mean his entire tenure.
Examples are the handling of some of the youngsters we had either promoted or bought in, especially the likes of Tosic, Bebe, Diouf, De Laet etc. Clearly some of those weren't good enough but rarely were they given chances... The same with experienced players like Nani, Smalling, Jones who to me were seemingly overlooked as soon as an old yet no longer consistent favourite was back.
The transfer situation is there for all to see, there seemed to be no philosophy or plan in the final years. Moyes and Woodward panicked with Fellaini & Mata, that much is clear. RVP was not a necessary signing at the time, we had just signed Kagawa for what seemed like a planned transition. Whilst I agree the chance to get Robin at such a price was very tempting I don't think long term it was viable.
Rotation. His apparently lack of trust in his own tactics. Want more?
Between 01-02 and 03-04 we brought in 20 players; between 05-06 and 07-08 we brought in 15. I'm not convinced by your "smooth and organic" hypothesis.Don't get this idea at all. That's not the way to build a squad. You don't build a squad by signing 10 players in one summer, you build it gradually, by having young players waiting in the wings to take over from the more established ones. That's the smooth and organic way to do it. It's how Fergie did it his entire United career and the idea that he would 'stop' buying players in order to leave his successor a broken team and a chest full of money is misguided because that's the wrong way to go about it and Fergie knows that more than anyone.
The problem is, now we have to do it the wrong way (many signings at the same time) because Fergie allowed our squad to regress more and more in his latter years by not addressing the midfield issue, not getting adequate replacements for the important players and wasting money on players that just weren't good enough.
WTF. Are you a REAL supporter or what??.
It's long been needed at this club, because under Fergie & Moyes it was an absolute shambles how the football side of things were handled. Let alone the media and supporter relations which to me are at an all time low.
No I've just been home, away and abroad every season from the age of 5 for the fun of it mate.WTF. Are you a REAL supporter or what??
So, I have been an avid supporter since 2013 through thick and thin.No I've just been home, away and abroad every season from the age of 5 for the fun of it mate.
Considering we have spoken in private before about coaching and in such a sensible manner I'm surprised you're not able to reply or debate in a manner suitable for this thread.So, I have been an avid supporter since 2013 through thick and thin.
Can't give any answers to this yet. Busy relaxing at the Broken Oar !!!!!Considering we have spoken in private before about coaching and in such a sensible manner I'm surprised you're not able to reply or debate in a manner suitable for this thread.
I have an opinion, you disagree. Don't bring being a real supporter into anything when you don't know a thing about the person you are talking to. You'd be made to look quite the tit.
OK, to answer your points. Firstly if I have communicated with you about coaching you will know how passionate I am about the way things are done. Secondly, not that it matters I have the credentials for coaching.Looks as though LVG is turning a lot heads behind the scenes already, especially with the directors and in particular the commercial side of things.
The major factor against Mourinho last summer was the way he let's his feelings known without holding back, despite often being told otherwise by the Chelsea heirachy. Quite ironic now that we have a manager who will, if not atleast match Jose, but go even further than that to get ultimate control.
Really is a breath of fresh air, although it may end in a particularly heated breakdown. Fergie towed the party line for far too long, and that's coming to show now... Moyes was completely overawed by everything and doubtless didn't have the personality to stand up to his bosses.
Do we think LVG will get completely authority?
OK, to answer your points. Firstly if I have communicated with you about coaching you will know how passionate I am about the way things are done. Secondly, not that it matters I have the credentials for coaching.
My point about if and what kind of supporter you are is based on the questions you are asking about Van Gaal even though he has only been in the job for a short time and has not even had a home game.
You say that Fergie towed the party line yet look at the success he brought us. Moyes was a disaster and now we have a manager who has a track record of success it appears you already know that he is upsetting the directors already? what is this based on? the media. He was a major success at Barca for a period of time, do you honestly think they would have put up with his antics.
Anybody and in particular supporters who raise these sort of questions after such a short period to me questions their loyalty to our club. That is my point.
This is a discussion forum and we all have opinions but for goodness sake if the man wants to get us back where we belong then I am all for him and will back him 100% until proved wrong.
He really isn't. Ferguson was irreplaceable because he is a complex being. Harsh but calculated. LvG is not as developed as him and things may come to a head. I reckon signs of these cracks will appear in 6 months.Van Gaal is Fergie Mark II. He is the law.
United are traded on the stock exchange. First and foremost, they are a business, not a football club. It may not be nice to hear, but that's the truth of it. Van Gaal may be given a honeymoon period, but there's no way he'll be allowed to put advertising and other revenue in jeopardy. This is the brave new world, and he'll have to adapt or expect a short commission.The commercial interference might be a problem but Woodward has made sure next pre season they'll do it how Van Gaal wants it.
Don't think we need to worry, our owners and Woodward have showed they don't interfere with the footballing side.
Tbh this pre season tour was one of the better ones we have had. Played against very good teams.I think we're already seeing him change, and hopefully it's because he's starting to see the big picture of the club he's joined.
Amongst last night's comments from him, he talked about the 300,000 fans who have had a chance to see us live this tour. I think he actually took some genuine delight in a pre-season friendly breaking the attendance record in the US. Hopefully he's starting to see that the commercial juggernaut really is something to be lived with rather than simply fought against.
Next pre-season he might want things done differently - a fixed training base and not so much travel between matches perhaps. He might want to add different criteria to the hotels we choose or the timing of the games. I'm sure he would fight against the kind of pre-season tour that United had last year for example. Hopefully though he won't feel obliged to lock the team up for 6 weeks in Carrington, before venturing out for a couple of matches in Scotland instead.
Imagine when demands investment in the team. He will do it in public.I like the authority that LVG has so far seemingly brought to the club. I am worried though, that he will fall out with the club's owners and directors. His coaching credentials are great, but doesn't sound like a great politician. Time will tell.
And yet Moyes managed to feck them upTbh this pre season tour was one of the better ones we have had. Played against very good teams.
The tours in Asia were horrible though.