Cop in America doing a bad job, again

[yumtum]

Another straight up execution…

Spoiler: Graphic clip of an execution

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Nice to hear clear instructions from the get go...from the victims point of view obviously in a bit of a panic when faced with officers with guns and their usual demand of "let me.see your hands" he tried putting his hands up (I'm actually assuming the officers asked to see his hands too) - but as soon as he raised his hands they shot him? Then the same hing 30 seconds later? You can't ask to see someone's hands (asking in a very muffled way too) and then shoot them as soon as they raise their hands.

Wouldn’t a taser worked in this situation?

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Another case of someone with the gun using force first instead of their brains - there are probably loads of different ways to have resolved this situation without killing the old woman.

Firstly they were warned by her family be careful with her) - why couldn't the officer ask her family to tell her to let go of the knives? Maybe the old lady couldn't speak english, or that faced with a gun a human looses all sense of calm and is rendered incapable of following simple instructions.

The training these "officers" go through must be absolutely shite, to go into situations with guns held high, no clear instructions etc will obviously create a very tense. and difficult situation, it's literally their job to contain and control those situations.

In most of these videos you see the officers panicking and absolutely shiting themselves in these instances, which means there's only a few ways these situations can go, sadly when it's dark and they throwing out different commands to their suspects/victims they're going to take any confusion as hostility and because they're so amped up and panicked, they shoot.

I was pulled over by police a few years ago (UK) just bought a car and it flagged up with no insurance, it was midnight in November (picked my girlfriend up from work - waitress, not a stripper) and there were 2 police cars and 2 riot vans and I'm a calm individual and never raise my voice (I'm a big dude, and get told I'm intimidating as it is) - anyway, I asked if I could start my car to keep my girlfriend warm, not ten seconds pass where another officer comes flying up to my window banging on my car shouting at me to turn my car off - the first officer literally didn't say a word, can't imagine what would have happened if they were armed.

 

[SirAnderson]

Wouldn’t a taser worked in this situation?

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Fecking hell, another senseless preventable death. I can't imagine what needs to happen for this to stop happening, it's crazy.

 

[MrMarcello]

Wonder if that initial hand movement to the chest was to try to disable the body cam?

Perhaps. Later on in the video the older looking cop taps this guy on the chest and mentions something about turning off body cam.

 

[jackal&hyde]

Fecking hell, another senseless preventable death. I can't imagine what needs to happen for this to stop happening, it's crazy.

Put an end to the insane gun laws in the US and then you can have a police force more relaxed. The only other alternative is to spend 100 times as much on training to have every police officer trained to special ops level.

 

[calodo2003]

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[jackal&hyde]

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We don't know what she was doing before the video started. If she tried to by force stop some sort of arrest then that is normal.

I hate this no real context videos just to paint the Police like they are Hitler.

I've had an acquaintance at best some time ago, that was a very smart 'fish' in Germany until the German Police came and f'ed up both him and his wife. Came crying to me about racism and unfairness. If you break the law then get bent.

 

[Roane]

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I'm not the best with written words so forgive me if this sounds crass or comes across bad in any way.

One thing I've noticed and have been sort of made aware of is the very "handsy" approach of officers, mainly in USA but starting to see it in UK, when it comes to black women and girls.

Again forgive me for the language but what I mean is there is a noticeable "sexual" approach to restraining and dealing with these women/girls from the male police officers. Some of it is subtle, as in hands but some of it is very much the whole body rubbing against the female being arrested or being spoken to.

It was raised by the arrest of a young girl a while back. She seemed to be lost and initially it was the officer asking her if she was lost and if he could help. Lead to him basically "mauling" her under the pretext of restraining and "helping". I can't find the video but it was filmed. Since then it seems to be apparent in many other arrests. It was even raised in some quarters with the young girl strip searched in that school recently. Not saying it was true just that it was raised.

 

[calodo2003]

We don't know what she was doing before the video started. If she tried to by force stop some sort of arrest then that is normal.

I hate this no real context videos just to paint the Police like they are Hitler.

I've had an acquaintance at best some time ago, that was a very smart 'fish' in Germany until the German Police came and f'ed up both him and his wife. Came crying to me about racism and unfairness. If you break the law then get bent.

 

[WI_Red]

Lots of bad videos in the thread (yeah, I know bad is literally in the title), so let’s have some good news:

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[calodo2003]

At least no one died…

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[WI_Red]

At least no one died…

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Sherman should have done a more thorough job.

 

[calodo2003]

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[calodo2003]

At least no one died…

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[RedTiger]

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This is ridiculous. Openly masturbating in someones house...

 

[calodo2003]

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[calodo2003]

@Skizzo

I literally lost count of how many long guns I saw on cops in this clip. Why didn’t those there try to enter into the school & engage the shooter?

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[bosskeano]

@Skizzo

I literally lost count of how many long guns I saw on cops in this clip. Why didn’t those there try to enter into the school & engage the shooter?

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and if they rush in to a school to confront the guy and accidentally shot a student child in a crossfire incident.....then what? they can absolutely battered by the media for rushing in. It's a no win situation for them

The one officer that did go in quickly by himself was shot and killed if reports are accurate

 

[calodo2003]

and if they rush in to a school to confront the guy and accidentally shot a student child in a crossfire incident.....then what? they can absolutely battered by the media for rushing in. It's a no win situation for them

The one officer that did go in quickly by himself was shot and killed if reports are accurate

Parkland police went in far quicker iirc. Just doesn’t seem consistent. Or effective use of available labor.

You can hear the gunshots in the background. They should have mobilized what they had & went in to neutralize the shooter. Now they have scores of kids dead.

I get that they might not be trained as well as an HRT team, etc., but to use the excuse that one hostage might get caught in the crossfire for not doing anything is weak in my opinion.

 

[entropy]

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[bosskeano]

Parkland police went in far quicker iirc. Just doesn’t seem consistent. Or effective use of available labor.

You can hear the gunshots in the background. They should have mobilized what they had & went in to neutralize the shooter. Now they have scores of kids dead.

I get that they might not be trained as well as an HRT team, etc., but to use the excuse that one hostage might get caught in the crossfire for not doing anything is weak in my opinion.

no...not debating at all as i think with this especially being young children they should have been much more aggressive with going in to stop him from killing more kids

again though...that one hostage is a little kid not an adult. I'm sure guys on the ground there were more than ready and anxious to go in and kill the shooter

 

[nimic]

@Skizzo

I literally lost count of how many long guns I saw on cops in this clip. Why didn’t those there try to enter into the school & engage the shooter?

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I hope they feel shame for the rest of their lives.

 

[utdalltheway]

It looks really bad for the local police that they waited outside while kids were getting shot inside.
All it takes to stop a bad guy with a gun is a guy with an armored battalion?
The arguments for guns gets weaker and weaker so the goalposts will keep getting moved by the gun nuts.
One door, secure the schools, mental illness treatment, etc,
Everything except actual common sense gun control.

 

[Skizzo]

@Skizzo

I literally lost count of how many long guns I saw on cops in this clip. Why didn’t those there try to enter into the school & engage the shooter?

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Probably don’t have a good answer for you unfortunately. I’d like to say they were organized and had people already going in and this group was focused solely on keeping parents out as a safety precaution.

unfortunately though it seems like they have no real setup. They should have some sort of training at the very least on clearing buildings and active shooter situations. We had one just last month. It might possibly be a policy thing where they’re advised to stay out until they have enough units or whatever whatever, but we’ve been instructed that if we get there, we wait for units, but if there’s active gunshots, you go in on your own if you’re the only one there to engage.

 

[calodo2003]

Probably don’t have a good answer for you unfortunately. I’d like to say they were organized and had people already going in and this group was focused solely on keeping parents out as a safety precaution.

unfortunately though it seems like they have no real setup. They should have some sort of training at the very least on clearing buildings and active shooter situations. We had one just last month. It might possibly be a policy thing where they’re advised to stay out until they have enough units or whatever whatever, but we’ve been instructed that if we get there, we wait for units, but if there’s active gunshots, you go in on your own if you’re the only one there to engage.

That’s what got me. A third of the way through it, there appears to be two sets of gunshots, but no visible reaction.

 

[Skizzo]

That’s what got me. A third of the way through it, there appears to be two sets of gunshots, but no visible reaction.

I could only hazard a guess as to what their mindset is there, but I can’t imagine why at least one of them wouldn’t go in. You have parents willing to rush in there unarmed to try and save their kid. Any officer there who’s a parent should find it impossible not to be moving in. I have three kids and I can’t imagine standing there in that situation just waiting around doing nothing. People are relying on them to do something, that’s the help you hope arrives, and then this is the response from them. Disappointing doesn’t even scratch the surface. There’s situations where policy is very cut and dry, and like I said, I’m not sure if their policy restricts their actions in a situation like this, but certain things would be more than justified in going outside that guideline.

 

[Carolina Red]

we’ve been instructed that if we get there, we wait for units, but if there’s active gunshots, you go in on your own if you’re the only one there to engage.

Our county sheriffs dept took us through their school / building clearing training one time a few years back. That's what they are trained to do as well.

 

[calodo2003]

I could only hazard a guess as to what their mindset is there, but I can’t imagine why at least one of them wouldn’t go in. You have parents willing to rush in there unarmed to try and save their kid. Any officer there who’s a parent should find it impossible not to be moving in. I have three kids and I can’t imagine standing there in that situation just waiting around doing nothing. People are relying on them to do something, that’s the help you hope arrives, and then this is the response from them. Disappointing doesn’t even scratch the surface. There’s situations where policy is very cut and dry, and like I said, I’m not sure if their policy restricts their actions in a situation like this, but certain things would be more than justified in going outside that guideline.

There’s a video where a PR cop confirmed that cops went in & got their own kids out early in the chaos, but then retreated.

 

[Skizzo]

Our county sheriffs dept took us through their school / building clearing training one time a few years back. That's what they are trained to do as well.

Maybe it falls back on being a smaller department and they aren’t trained, or comfortable, performing in that situation. If that’s the case, that raises a whole new set of issues and just reinforces the lack of training complaint that people have.

 

[Carolina Red]

Maybe it falls back on being a smaller department and they aren’t trained, or comfortable, performing in that situation. If that’s the case, that raises a whole new set of issues and just reinforces the lack of training complaint that people have.

Possibly. All I know is they’re gonna have a hard time justifying taking up 40% of the city budget to do… whatever that was

 

[Skizzo]

There’s a video where a PR cop confirmed that cops went in & got their own kids out early in the chaos, but then retreated.

Well if that’s true then I’d have to not comment at this time because I’d only have incredibly negative things to say. Hopefully the guilt of living with that for the rest of their life makes their life miserable. Those kids will grow up with all kinds of guilt if their friends were killed and their dad pulled them out but left others behind.

Possibly. All I know is they’re gonna have a hard time justifying taking up 40% of the city budget to do… whatever that was

I agree. I know some people in here have commented on cops in different areas liking to play military with all the gear, but if it doesn’t come with the training and willingness to actually use it in a situation like this, and not just as a show of force at some protest, then it should all be taken away and the city close their department until they can find suitable candidates to work there. Conversely, if @calodo2003 post above is true, I don’t know how they justify their existence at all.

 

[Carolina Red]

Well if that’s true then I’d have to not comment at this time because I’d only have incredibly negative things to say. Hopefully the guilt of living with that for the rest of their life makes their life miserable. Those kids will grow up with all kinds of guilt if their friends were killed and their dad pulled them out but left others behind.




I agree. I know some people in here have commented on cops in different areas liking to play military with all the gear, but if it doesn’t come with the training and willingness to actually use it in a situation like this, and not just as a show of force at some protest, then it should all be taken away and the city close their department until they can find suitable candidates to work there. Conversely, if @calodo2003 post above is true, I don’t know how they justify their existence at all.

Agreed.

I saw the clip he's talking about too, I'll try and find it. Dude said it so matter of fact too, like it was no big deal.

 

[Carolina Red]

@Skizzo - I assume this is the same clip that @calodo2003 saw

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[Skizzo]

@Skizzo - I assume this is the same clip that @calodo2003 saw

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Yeah I’m not sure they need much acknowledgment. Although maybe they do need to be acknowledged so everyone can be aware of those actions and what they chose to do.

 

[nimic]

@Skizzo - I assume this is the same clip that @calodo2003 saw

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Can they be prosecuted? Was it Sandy Hook where a police officer was prosecuted for not going in? This is somehow both more understandable and much worse.

 

[Skizzo]

Can they be prosecuted? Was it Sandy Hook where a police officer was prosecuted for not going in? This is somehow both more understandable and much worse.

if you’re taking about the school resource officer, that was more recent. The fact that there’s enough to get mixed up is depressing in its own right.

 

[RedDevilQuebecois]

I touched on it in the other thread. I feel that US police officers just look poorly trained and mentally unfit AF despite all of that equipment of theirs. I don't think it can be any more evident than what we saw in Uvalde. As a result, I don't think cops should be anywhere near carrying a gun unless they meet requirements on mental and physical fitness in high-pressure situations that would demand the use of firearms. Furthermore, such fitness has to be regularly assessed.

I have read about Britain's specialist firearms officers (SFOs); those guys are the cream of the crop and are helped by a solid system of mobile patrols for quicker responses. I only wish that US police corps could hold the same high standards for the sake of 1) intervening when they have to, and 2) knowing how and when to use guns in a situation.

 

[nimic]

if you’re taking about the school resource officer, that was more recent. The fact that there’s enough to get mixed up is depressing in its own right.

It was easier when I just had to remember Columbine.

 

[Amarsdd]

Possibly. All I know is they’re gonna have a hard time justifying taking up 40% of the city budget to do… whatever that was

Pretty sure this will be spun and they will be arguing they need more than 40% of the city budget with the backing of their republic constituents and politicians ... and I won't be surprised if they get it.

 

[WI_Red]

if you’re taking about the school resource officer, that was more recent. The fact that there’s enough to get mixed up is depressing in its own right.

That was the Margerir Stoneman shooting in Florida I think.

 

[Carolina Red]

Can they be prosecuted? Was it Sandy Hook where a police officer was prosecuted for not going in? This is somehow both more understandable and much worse.

Good question. No clue to be honest