Yeah I’m only speaking from my own experience, with 2 kids for us to go to Portugal or Spain its 4 grand at least for a two week holiday, obviously in school time it would be half the price.
Cost of living crisis: Lets pay more to water companies so they can invest more in their shareholders.
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No thats just not true, most people buy a new car every 3 years. The poor aren't people
If there’s 35 million drivers in England alone and 3 million get a new car every year that would suggest 1 in almost 12. Or a new car every 12 years. What are the numbers for people flying abroad?
I'm assuming the answer is going to be "lots of people".
I’d love to know how many actually ‘buy’ them too. I’d guess most new car sales aren’t actually sales at all.
You're looking in the wrong places then because you could do that for half that IMO quite easily
Well my wife and I have scoured the internet, so if you can find one I’d be all ears
Already posted. Bang on 50% fly each year with 126 million total trips.
35 million cars is the wrong number too, there are 25 million drivers. If those new cars are on an average 3 to 5 year lease then something like 12 million cars on the road were bought new by their owner. So not far off half.
Never mind though, the nitpicking has all successfully distracted from the point that most people still live very comfortably in the UK, despite the doom mongering.
No, not "posted". Post one link to the actual stats instead of just writing a number.
Also, how is 50% of anything "most"?
34.8m people have driving licenses in England alone. You can’t just remove them from the calculation because they didn’t buy cars. The main reason you would hold a license and not buy a car is because you couldn’t afford it. Even if you consider 25 million it is still on average a new car for every 8th person or year.
If something is on a lease you haven’t bought it. What would be the reason for taking a lease? Because you don’t have the money to buy outright.
If those cars are on leases do they stop driving when the lease is up? No, they get another one or buy a car. So the same people will be accounted for multiple times. You can’t just cheat numbers to try and stand up to a wildly inaccurate claim.
You seem to be very confidently wrong:
RAC Foundation numbers:
You said the majority of people buy a car every 3 years. There are around 50 million adults in the country. Last year 1.65m new cars were registered. The year before that the figure was 1.67m. Even if we accept that each new car bought in every 3 year period was bought by a different person that still only adds up to 4.95 million people. This is less than 10% of the British adult population. You can't say that more than 50% of people have a car less than 3 years old when 90% either have no car at all or drive one more than 3 years old. It's silly to say it's nitpicking when someone pulls you up on such an egregious error. If you don't want to be corrected stop making claims which are so obviously untrue.11101 also said said:
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Look, the numbers I made up may be monumentally wrong, but feck that, my point was that the plebs live better than they claim they do 
I never once said every other person in the UK had a new car every 3 years. Please point me to where I did. I said that the majority of people were able to do things like have a new car, go on holidays, and other things like that. They can, and until they can't nobody is going to do anything about anything.
How many can do that then?
But evidently the majority of people aren't able to have a new car, only 3-5% of adults in any given year do. You're equating buying a new car to going on holiday as if they are in the same ballpark. If you'd just left it as "about 40-45% of people still manage to holiday abroad each year" then nobody could argue with you, but you didn't. Anyway, here's where you said it:
Typical tory propaganda
You've already had your "facts" disputed with actual evidence so I'm amazed how you still think your point stands.
Heres your 50% of the population flies each year evidence:
https://policycommons.net/artifacts/1439908/elitestatusglobalinequalitiesinflying/2067509/
Do 50% of the population travel abroad each year? Or do the numbers include those who travel more than once? Do the numbers show how long they were on holiday? If they don’t, you still can’t back up what you said.
Nah, provide an actual excerpt from it if it's your evidence. I'm not signing up for some website just to browse through a potentially lengthy report to do your job for you. You made the statement so you back it up.
But, anyway. I didn't realise that 50% of the population flying equated to going purely on holidays. And even if it did, is that it? That's the entirety of your evidence that the majority of people aren't being affected by the current cost of living crisis, and they've never had it better? (By the way, your source doesn't remotely state that 50% go on holidays)
A reminder of what your first point was;
I fail to see how you can keep claiming this when, so far, all of your arguments don't hold up to scrutiny. If that link is genuinely some sort of bombshell, irrefutable proof, then I'm sure you'll be more than happy to give me the actual excerpt that proves it.
Because, so far, the only thing in your own source that I can see that's relevant actually shows that between 57-68% of the population don't go on flying holidays...
...and it's ten years out of date.
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Sod it, I'm not coming back to a million different notifications everytime I login. Yes you're right I'm wrong, the majority have it incredibly tough these days. Those Victorian kids didnt know they were born compared to us!
Now let's all get back to planning how we're going to Guy Fawkes the government so we can have a few days out of the workhouse.
Now let's all get back to planning how we're going to Guy Fawkes the government so we can have a few days out of the workhouse.
A valiant concession
So....
We accept your grovelling apology, don’t let it happen again or we’ll cut off one of your numbers.
Also you weren’t comparing nowadays to Victorian era (~120 years ago). You were comparing nowadays to 20-30 years ago.
The best way out of an argument is always to blame everybody else for replying instead of just accepting it. Definite MP material here.
Smells like coffee in here
Nice meltdown tbf.
He would've got away with it were it not for those meddling kids.
They have time in their hands, what with all their money and comfort and luxuries and all.
Tbf - stop replying now. That’s eight posts in a row joking with him - that’s the majority of RedCafe.
Judge not a country based on how the median person lives. Judge it based on how the bottom 10% live.
Sunday papers are saying that our Energy bills (in the UK) will massively increase again this winter.
HSBC profit more than doubles as interest rates rise
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66368580?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66368580?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA
just shows how all the world’s problems are actually caused by the poor. as soon as you price them out of stuff and kill them off, everyone else wins.
I know it's a recognised way of curbing inflation, but surely making everything more expensive and making people struggle is a really shit way of going about it. There must be an easier way to stop it.
That's the thing - it's corporate greed that's causing the inflation. Price gouging, profiteering, hypercapitalism etc etc.