Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

[90 + 5min]

If realism and logic makes me an arsehole so be it...

In theory in might seem easier, but try working in a fast food kitchen all day with a mask around your face, or in a barber shop and see how long you last before you pull it off. I went into a five guys a week ago and they had about six members of staff cooking in close proximity and they were sweating and not a single one had a mask on.
The point you seem to have dodged/missed is that footballers are ALL GOING to be tested with the plans the PL have. Which means infected players wont be playing so the risk of spread reduces. Like I said will all Mcdonalds staff be tested? will everyone who walks into a barber shop or tattoo parlour be tested? feck no.

I did not once say its the same as going into an office because most office jobs can be done at home. " the virus affecting you will not likely affect your whole future". Are we really still doing this? pretending everyone is at equal risk? This whole discussion is completely pointless if we're still acting as if this virus effects everyone equally.



What the actual feck are you on about? When did I say that? Christ, resorting to making things up?



These last few pages have just been hysterical 'what if' scenarios? and the constant running down of the PL (which includes Manchester United and all its staff and players, not trying to be an arsehole or douche by pointing this out but our club are involved in these discussions) trying to make the best out of a shite situation. Then you've got people like @90 + 5min who resort to phantom quotes to try and make you appear unsympathetic because apparently you're not allowed to suggest a return to a semblance of normality without being labelled as such. As if this is not literally a thread designated to discussing the future of football.

And in reference to the above comment below is Bruno Fernandes...… So presumably based on comments being made on recent pages, Bruno should be getting ripped apart. I'll wait......….

From you. 2 pages ago.

It’s amazing, since you posted this, every one of the ‘groups’ you referenced has made a post in this thread
Its weird, there’s a lot more rational/logical discussion in the actual covid-19 thread. This thread seems full of people who’d be afraid of their own shadows.

There is no need for me to be lying. So people who are afraid or who might have lost someone to this and don’t think it is ok to play are being afraid of their shadows.

Fernandes want to play. Good for him. Lots of players want to play. That doesn’t mean it is the best thing. There are milions of children who want to go to school. There are milions of people wanting to go to nightclubs and bars. That doesn’t mean it is ok in current situation. Everything has its time and place.

You are allowed to suggest return to normality and football but you got to be prepared for some questioning. Whoever you might be. And Fernandes would also be questioned.

Here is some more problems that I wrote to you in previous post that you can think about. If football starts in a month and society opens up. Try now to be logical as you have mentioned before. Contracts ending, transfer window, home/away advantage, TheFa cup, time and calender, European compitition and so on. There will be tons of problems ahead. Like it would be closing the season.

 

[Pagh Wraith]

Unless that players

1. Never trains with his teammates
2. Never be in the same space with everyone else
3. Never train together
4. Never play together with anyone

Yes, then you quarantine him. Otherwise you tell the whole team to self quarantine, not asking them to continue playing football.

In Cologne's case, only the two players and the physio who tested positive are in self isolation. Rest of the team continues to train as normal.

 

[Hound Dog]

You created an argument to suggest he was saying that nothing should start until a vaccine was in place. Then answered that argument you created with a statement on the economy. When that wasn't what he said. Hence you created a straw man.

I know what a straw man is. This was not my quesrion.

 

[christinaa]

So three players of german team Cologne have tested positive to Covid-19.
Should they play without them - is that fair?
Should they play them with risks to other teams, people etc ?

Sky and BT have the FA by the ba**s and that's why the league has to continue in the UK with all the risks flying around.

 

[Sky1981]

In Cologne's case, only the two players and the physio who tested positive are in self isolation. Rest of the team continues to train as normal.

You're always a fecked up away from having the whole team infected.

 

[Snafu17]

So three players of german team Cologne have tested positive to Covid-19.
Should they play without them - is that fair?

In isolation, this is just not a problem at all. Players get sick and injured all the time, this wouldn't be any different.

There's a lot of sensible arguments why they shouldn't restart the league, but this one is just silly.

 

[christinaa]

Bundesliga: Koln announce three people at the club have tested positive for coronavirus

Cologne have announced three people at the club have tested positive for coronavirus - yet training will continue ahead of the Bundesliga's return.

The German top flight looks set to become the first major league to return to action as the world continues to deal with the Covid-19 pandemic.

Clubs are back in training with a mid-May resumption on the cards, but Cologne's arrangements have received a setback.

The club, 10th in the Bundesliga, said that "after three positive tests, three people at FC Koln are now in quarantine" - but also that "the group training can continue".

In a statement, Cologne said: "FC Koln had the entire team and coaching staff, along with the backroom staff, tested on Thursday for Covid-19. Three people tested positive, all are symptom free.

"After an assessment of the cases by the responsible health authorities, the three people who tested positive will go into a 14-day quarantine at home. FC Koln will not confirm any names out of respect for the privacy of those affected.

"FC Koln's training can continue as planned, according to the hygiene and infection control measures that have been in place since April 6 in group training.

"The prerequisite for this is that the relevant group of people are tested further, as stated for in the medical concept of the 'Taskforce Sports Medicine/Special Game Operation' from the DFL."

The procedure discussed on Friday with the taskforce's chair Professor Dr Tim Meyer, medical director of the Institute for Sports and Preventive Medicine at Saarland University, and Professor Dr Barbara Gartner, specialist in microbiology and infection epidemiology.

Meyer said: "We now see in everyday life that our concept recognises and reduces risks at an early stage.

"We will always be in close contact with the responsible health authorities and medical experts.

"We are convinced that with our concept, we can enable players to practice their profession with the best possible protection against infection."

Cologne managing director Horst Heldt: "The health and private sphere of players and staff have priority above all else.

"The previous measures, as well as the strategy of regular tests, have proven themselves so that we can now react with individual solutions."

 

[christinaa]

In isolation, this is just not a problem at all. Players get sick and injured all the time, this wouldn't be any different.

There's a lot of sensible arguments why they shouldn't restart the league, but this one is just silly.

So this is just silly?!

Can Koln play without the two players?
What if more test positive and also in other teams?

Feck football - lives are more important presently.

 

[Sky1981]

So this is just silly?!

Can Koln play without the two players?
What if more test positive and also in other teams?

Feck football - lives are more important presently.

apparently not, it's hunger games. where few sacrifices for the cheers of millions

 

[christinaa]

apparently not, it's hunger games. where few sacrifices for the cheers of millions

I agree.
Society has stooped to an all-time low!

 

[Renegade]

Cologne haven’t announced the identity of the 3 infected for their privacy. That’s going to be a little difficult to maintain when the league gets going and players are mysteriously missing from the matchday squads.

 

[Snafu17]

So this is just silly?!

Can Koln play without the two players?
What if more test positive and also in other teams?

Feck football - lives are more important presently.

Yes, teams play with less than their full squad all the time. The idea that when one player is unable to play the whole competition is unfair is very very silly.

I specifically said that there are other factors in play and I'm only disputing this one specific silly argument. I'm not sure how this suddenly equals the death of society or whatever.

 

[Pexbo]

Yes, teams play with less than their full squad all the time. The idea that when one player is unable to play the whole competition is unfair is very very silly.

I specifically said that there are other factors in play and I'm only disputing this one specific silly argument. I'm not sure how this suddenly equals the death of society or whatever.

What about if they have 7 people infected with CV?

 

[christinaa]

Yes, teams play with less than their full squad all the time. The idea that when one player is unable to play the whole competition is unfair is very very silly.

I specifically said that there are other factors in play and I'm only disputing this one specific silly argument. I'm not sure how this suddenly equals the death of society or whatever.

It's your prerogative if you just can't see the implications but that's up to you.

When NORMAL injuries happen it follows that teams play without their players.
But this Covid-19 is not NORMALITY and the rest of the season will not be played in a normal scenario but just to appease Sky and BT and some other teams who we all know.

If you can't see that then you're being silly not my argument.

 

[Snafu17]

What about if they have 7 people infected with CV?

That's a whole other argument all together with the contagiousness of the virus and the lack of completely 100% reliable test.

I'm specifically talking about the idea that one missing player would threaten the integrity of the competition which is demonstrably wrong.

 

[Pexbo]

That's a whole other argument all together with the contagiousness of the virus and the lack of completely 100% reliable test.

I'm specifically talking about the idea that one missing player would threaten the integrity of the competition which is demonstrably wrong.

The question you answered specifically stated two players. I’m wondering what your cut off point is.

 

[Snafu17]

It's your prerogative if you just can't see the implications but that's up to you.

When NORMAL injuries happen it follows that teams play without their players.
But this Covid-19 is not NORMALITY and the rest of the season will not be played in a normal scenario but just to appease Sky and BT and some other teams who we all know.

If you can't see that then you're being silly not my argument.

Look you can either try to refute my argument or continue going on on unrelated tangents.

 

[Dancfc]

Honestly some of you lot should never leave your house ever again if this 'what if' game is your mindset. Weld your front door and be done with it because if you're looking for a world with literally no risk, there's not one part of the outside world that furfills that desire.

Eventually we have to coexist with this virus, yes people who test positive have to isolate and rightly so but isolating everyone they come into contact with was only ever a sticky plaster route while we played catch up. Say McDonald's open and one employee tests positive. Does that restraunt have to close alongside the workplaces of whoever came into contact with him? What if that covers half the town in questions high street? What if one of those places is an essential bank like Halifax?

Non essential businesses are starting to make plans to open up, none are totally risk free but all are taking the precautions to limit risk. McDonald's is opening up gradually, BBC want EastEnders to resume filming in June etc..

Not opening things up on the off chance isn't sensible, it's stupid, because you end up tanking the economy which will lead to inadequate funding of the NHS and ultimately end up costing most of the lives you think you're saving (plus excess). Restarting business with precautions is the happy medium between both ends of stupid (going back to complete normal and keeping everything shut until the virus is gone, to which point the virus would have long been the least of our worries).

Ultimately with all the precautions being taken (controlled, mass testing, BCD, distancing at every stage humanely possible) footballers will actually be much, much safer than they were in the few weeks leading up to footballs cancellation, when they were playing in full crowds and changing together despite the virus being on the ascendency.

 

[Snafu17]

The question you answered specifically stated two players. I’m wondering what your cut off point is.

I don't know what to tell you, is there a cut off point in fairness with injuries?

I don't have any answers regarding the potential comeback, I'm just pointing out that players being unable to play is not unfair, it's a thing that happens literally all the time.

 

[cyberman]

Newly released study from Aarhus University shows that a risk of infection of Covid-19 is minimal doing outdoors sports as soccer. A soccer player will only spend an average of 1,5 minutes on the football field near another player: “The body contact is minimal and it should be safe to play”

Copied from reddit. So thats something

 

[hmchan]

Yes, teams play with less than their full squad all the time. The idea that when one player is unable to play the whole competition is unfair is very very silly.

I specifically said that there are other factors in play and I'm only disputing this one specific silly argument. I'm not sure how this suddenly equals the death of society or whatever.

The only silly argument I see is the comparison between injuries and COVID-19. Injuries are non-infectious while COVID-19 is transmissible. When a player is injured, the rest of the team can train and play as usual; but when a player is diagnosed with COVID-19, those with close contacts including most of his teammates and opponents within the previous 14 days are subject to self-isolation and further testing. If, unfortunately, some of the previous opponents are tested positive, another set of players will be involved and the story will extend indefinitely. So this involves plenty of personnels and is not just about "one player unable to play". For your reference, the City vs Arsenal game was postponed before the lockdown just because some Arsenal players made contact with Marinakis, the Olympiakos owner.

 

[Pexbo]

I don't know what to tell you, is there a cut off point in fairness with injuries?

I don't have any answers regarding the potential comeback, I'm just pointing out that players being unable to play is not unfair, it's a thing that happens literally all the time.

Coronavirus isn’t an injury, it’s a global pandemic which is the entire reason they stopped play in the first place. If you're not able to suggest a fair arbitrary number of players out with coronavirus that would stop play, you're proving you don’t have any sort of understanding about the problem.

If one player is out, the entire squad should be quarantined.

 

[hasanejaz88]

You're always a fecked up away from having the whole team infected.

No, they tested the rest of the squad and only those 3 have tested positive so unless there is an off chance that they the virus is dormant in some of the players /coaches, the other people are free of the virus and should be able to continue.

They are testing players every 3 or 2 days I think so there is regular upkeep of who has the virus and should be quarantined, along with strict measures during training about sharing code space.

 

[christinaa]

Look you can either try to refute my argument or continue going on on unrelated tangents.

You don't have an argument and i'll quote pexbo 'cause he spelled it out for you:

Coronavirus isn’t an injury, it’s a global pandemic which is the entire reason they stopped play in the first place. If you're not able to suggest a fair arbitrary number of players out with coronavirus that would stop play, you're proving you don’t have any sort of understanding about the problem.

If one player is out, the entire squad should be quarantined.

Now can you understand this?

 

[christinaa]

No, they tested the rest of the squad and only those 3 have tested positive so unless there is an off chance that they the virus is dormant in some of the players /coaches, the other people are free of the virus and should be able to continue.

They are testing players every 3 or 2 days I think so there is regular upkeep of who has the virus and should be quarantined, along with strict measures during training about sharing code space.

you can test negative today and be positive tomorrow.

 

[Crustanoid]

There is literally going to be no integrity to any restart of the season. The conditions that the teams will have to work/play in are vastly different. That’s not to mention all the needless deaths. The clubs are investing in loads of tests-why the feck don’t they just hand over the money to the NHS and those who need it?

 

[Dancfc]

If one player is out, the entire squad should be quarantined.
?

Does that go for every walk of life?

If one person gets infected once McDonalds is open, does it shut again alongside the businesses who hold any employee that came into contact with him? What if that includes an essential bank? Or a supermarket?

Isolating mass people on one positive result was only ever a sticky plaster route while we played catch up, it's not sustainable long term.

 

[christinaa]

This boils down also to the integrity of the rest of the season.

For example:
Can you imagine Liverpool without 3/4 key players playing City without 3/4 key players all because of Covid?
We're not talking about normal injuries here.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Reports emerging that clubs are preparing to play the entirety of next season behind closed doors as well as the remainder of this season if it even restarts.

Understandable given the situation but what a farce it will be. United would stand to lose out the most as we have the highest match day receipts.

 

[christinaa]

Another very important issue which is cropping up this week is that the players themselves are afraid of playing.
Have you seen Aguero, Laporte and others stating they're afraid to play?
Aren't the players important?

 

[Bosnian_fan]

Does that go for every walk of life?

If one person gets infected once McDonalds is open, does it shut again alongside the businesses who hold any employee that came into contact with him? What if that includes an essential bank? Or a supermarket?

Isolating mass people on one positive result was only ever a sticky plaster route while we played catch up, it's not sustainable long term.

I'm sorry, but what you just said doesn't hold water. If you let virus run rampant as you are suggesting, McDonalds is shutting down anyway. Nobody is going there as soon it is obvious there are COVID cases and nothing is being done about preventing it. Isn't it kind of how it broke out in Wuhan Seafood Market actually?

 

[Mb194dc]

Another very important issue which is cropping up this week is that the players themselves are afraid of playing.
Have you seen Aguero, Laporte and others stating they're afraid to play?
Aren't the players important?

They are and a reasonable possibility the players scupper whatever plan the league have to resume by refusing to take part. What can the clubs do, sack them?

Simple equation for most of the players, they don't need the extra money so why bother taking the health risk? It's only a small risk of course, but they have no reason to take it given the financial position most of them are in.

 

[TheLord]

(as someone pointed out earlier)


With the recent turn of events, I am sure Suzanne Collins will find enough inspiration to write a sequel to her The Hunger Games.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Does that go for every walk of life?

If one person gets infected once McDonalds is open, does it shut again alongside the businesses who hold any employee that came into contact with him? What if that includes an essential bank? Or a supermarket?

Isolating mass people on one positive result was only ever a sticky plaster route while we played catch up, it's not sustainable long term.

But then the entire team will probably get infected and that team can no longer play?

One player gets it then chances are another will, and don’t forget it can be symptomless and has an incubation period.

It can easily spread like wildfire across the teams and players which is why it would be sensible to wait a while to restart play.

 

[Dick Dastardly]

Why would a footballer care if the season starts again?
Citeh can’t realistically win the league so might as well sit the farce out whilst on full pay.
Utd players want to secure CL qualification so will be more interested in restarting.
Each player and club will have their own political and financial agenda. Testing is not accurate enough and you will have staff/players sent to quarantine for a false positive test.
Its almost impossible to envisage how they can restart.

 

[hmchan]

Does that go for every walk of life?

If one person gets infected once McDonalds is open, does it shut again alongside the businesses who hold any employee that came into contact with him? What if that includes an essential bank? Or a supermarket?

Isolating mass people on one positive result was only ever a sticky plaster route while we played catch up, it's not sustainable long term.

It's difficult to define "close contact", but it generally refers to face-to-face contact for at least 15 mins, so a few conversations in daily life are fine especially with surgical masks on. On the pitch, however, it's a different story. Players don't wear masks in a game and they could do all sorts of high risk behaviors, from whispering, hugging, to spitting, headbutting, biting, you name it.

 

[Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell]

I think it's crass that the premier league are rushing to get back during the Covid-19 pandemic.

I can also imagine players going on strike over this, if they feel their health is being gambled with.

 

[TheLord]

If one person gets infected once McDonalds is open, does it shut again alongside the businesses who hold any employee that came into contact with him? What if that includes an essential bank? Or a supermarket?

Does working at McDonald's, a bank or a supermarket require one man to barge into another repeatedly? Make hundreds of intimate contacts during the mere matter of an hour? Literally breathe down someone else's throat?

Physical distancing is impossible in contact sports like football. Impossible. It is shocking to see the lack of insight when you attempt to make parallels.

 

[arnie_ni]

In isolation, this is just not a problem at all. Players get sick and injured all the time, this wouldn't be any different.

There's a lot of sensible arguments why they shouldn't restart the league, but this one is just silly.

Its not silly. They are being put an undue risk by the league. With how contagious it is, and the 14 day quarantine period, Its not comparable to an injury at all

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

If Premier League footballers - the biggest "role models" around (especially amongst young people) - are allowed to play a contact sport then that's social distancing over with. If they can do it, then people will think they can do it, getting together in mates' houses to watch the games on TV and have a few drinks. And who can blame them? Can't be having one rule for multi millionaire footballers and another rule for the rest of us.