Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

[hp88]

Heard a few people say it's going to lift the mood and it's for the nation etc, personally I think it's going to make lockdown a bit harder for those who attend games.

For many of us getting together on a Saturday with your mates / family was the main part of the day and that's what I miss the most at the moment, watching United was kind of like an added bonus.

I don't really want to watch United play behind closed doors, I would rather they just call the thing off now and give it to the scousers.

 

[hasanejaz88]

0.4%, isn't it?

Anyway, that is not the issue. 400,000 test kits went unused in Germany last week and even those who oppose the league's restart have realised now that football is not taking anything away in that regard. The argument now seems to be that it is immoral to because "bodies are piling up". First of all they aren't, in Germany's case the overall mortality is even lower compared to March/April last year. And even if there is excess mortality due to Covid-19, I don't see how that should affect football. The only criteria should be whether safety of players and staff can be ensured. If it can, play. If it can't, don't. Simple. The same way we have dealt with reopening any other industry. And I don't see the relevance of other things being open or not to football either. Besides, all shops are open again, all sorts of public facilities such as museums or zoos are too and some pupils are back in school. The only thing that remains closed is restaurants, bars and hotels. Why shouldn't footballers be allowed to do their job again?

Yea it could be 0.4% (I thought it was that number when I first tried to remember it, but then thought it's really low so I shouldn't post a number that low if I can't find the source to quote).

Which state do you live in btw that all shops are open? In Bavaria I think they still have the 800 sqm rule and schools are still closed. Agree with the rest of the post though, within the current climate in Germany it is reasonable to restart football BCD as long as the player and staffs safety is guaranteed (for which the league has implemented strict guidelines).

 

[Ludens the Red]

That's one of the problems right there. Why should asymptomatic players get tests when symptomatic members of the public can't get tests ?

PL has the money to facilitate it, in the same way as I described in one of my previous posts how I had to wait seven months to even be seen about my knee, a footballer gets surgery the next day. Most symptomatic members of the public will heal at home, we know already that anyone that goes into hospital gets tested. Were they not being then yeah there should be outrage.
The PL is not going to spend millions of pounds on equipment to get members of the public tested, that is never ever going to happen. It is the governments responsibility to test members of the public. Tottenham are doing testing for NHS workers, that's the most we're going to get.

 

[hp88]

For a little context, the current plan from my employers is that they are not anticipating us having access to our usual work locations until October; these are locations with far greater ability to create and maintain social distancing rules than most places.

I have been given a similar date as well. We have got close to 4,000 people in our building so a fair amount of us will continue to work from home as there's no we are all sitting 2M apart.

 

[TheLord]

@Brightonian made detailed posts a few days back that basically counter everything you said and explains in detail why inclosed working is actually more risky than controlled environments like BCD football.

I hope for the sake of consistency you display similar outrage once Rugby announces a return.

I suggest this weekend you spend a little time reading up about the accuracy (sensitivity/specificity) of the Covid-19 diagnostic kits, the availability of these tests in the UK, the type of testing currently employed in the UK, and where the UK stands when compared with the rest of the continent.

If you actually spend some time reading about the specifics of testing, I am sure your posts will strike a different note.

 

[FootballHQ]

Heard a few people say it's going to lift the mood and it's for the nation etc, personally I think it's going to make lockdown a bit harder for those who attend games.

For many of us getting together on a Saturday with your mates / family was the main part of the day and that's what I miss the most at the moment, watching United was kind of like an added bonus.

I don't really want to watch United play behind closed doors, I would rather they just call the thing off now and give it to the scousers.

Half of next season is likely to be played behind closed doors I'm afraid so 20/21 (if it even starts on time) is going to be much worse to watch than 19/20 ending, more so as by Autumn there should be some degree of normality going again in everyday life.

 

[TheLord]

@Dancfc
And I do not know why you assumed I would not be equally appalled if rugby announces a hasty return.
If anything, rugby is a “contactier” sports than football, if such a word exists.

 

[Sandikan]

I have been given a similar date as well. We have got close to 4,000 people in our building so a fair amount of us will continue to work from home as there's no we are all sitting 2M apart.

4,000 in your building!? Wowzers!

 

[Pagh Wraith]

Yea it could be 0.4% (I thought it was that number when I first tried to remember it, but then thought it's really low so I shouldn't post a number that low if I can't find the source to quote).

Which state do you live in btw that all shops are open? In Bavaria I think they still have the 800 sqm rule and schools are still closed. Agree with the rest of the post though, within the current climate in Germany it is reasonable to restart football BCD as long as the player and staffs safety is guaranteed (for which the league has implemented strict guidelines).

Saxony. All shops (and shopping centres) are allowed to open, as well as hairdresser, beauty salons and tattoo parlours. The ones bigger than 800 m² have to reduce their sales area but there is talk of doing away with this rule altogether. Also IKEA is reopening on Monday. 10th and 12th graders are back in school to prepare for the final exams.

Have to say though, as much as I think the healthy and safety concept for the Bundesliga restart is sound, it remains to be seen how much I'll be enjoying football BCD. Will definitely be watching though. I've had enough of the Belarusian Premier League haha.

 

[jymufc20]

PL has the money to facilitate it, in the same way as I described in one of my previous posts how I had to wait seven months to even be seen about my knee, a footballer gets surgery the next day. Most symptomatic members of the public will heal at home, we know already that anyone that goes into hospital gets tested. Were they not being then yeah there should be outrage.
The PL is not going to spend millions of pounds on equipment to get members of the public tested, that is never ever going to happen. It is the governments responsibility to test members of the public. Tottenham are doing testing for NHS workers, that's the most we're going to get.

Are they ? I thought they had just provided their stadium to the NHS as a testing facility.

If the Premier League are providing their own testing then you can't really complain, I was under the impression they would be taking testing capacity away from the general public.

 

[Blackwidow]

Yea it could be 0.4% (I thought it was that number when I first tried to remember it, but then thought it's really low so I shouldn't post a number that low if I can't find the source to quote).

Which state do you live in btw that all shops are open? In Bavaria I think they still have the 800 sqm rule and schools are still closed. Agree with the rest of the post though, within the current climate in Germany it is reasonable to restart football BCD as long as the player and staffs safety is guaranteed (for which the league has implemented strict guidelines).

Schools started last week in Bavaria with the exam classes of all types of schools. 4th graders will start May 11th. The rest will come back in stages as schools have to make plans how to keep the security.

 

[arnie_ni]

Saxony. All shops (and shopping centres) are allowed to open, as well as hairdresser, beauty salons and tattoo parlours. The ones bigger than 800 m² have to reduce their sales area but there is talk of doing away with this rule altogether. Also IKEA is reopening on Monday.

Have to say though, as much as I think the healthy and safety concept for the Bundesliga restart is sound, it remains to be seen how much I'll be enjoying football BCD. Will definitely be watching though. I've had enough of the Belarusian Premier League haha.

The whole world will be watching if its on tv in their country.

I dont think anyone here posting is saying the dont want football back. We all do

 

[Revaulx]

It would take them 2 minutes to set up an online account or they could use telephone banking.

So it would not be the end of the world if Halifax shut a local branch for two weeks

You should try getting National Savings to change the signatories on a Club/Society account. I've been trying since the start of the year.

 

[Ludens the Red]

Are they ? I thought they had just provided their stadium to the NHS as a testing facility.

If the Premier League are providing their own testing then you can't really complain, I was under the impression they would be taking testing capacity away from the general public.

Not sure on specifics but Nhs workers are going there and getting tested. Damage control from Tottenham I would suggest after furlough gate but it’s there so it’s something at least. And nah they’re not, I think some journalists have been naughty and mislead the public with their ‘articles’. To be honest it just goes back to the uk government, their staggering incompetence at getting this sorted has basically had a domino effect. They’ve had more than enough time now.

 

[stevoc]

I'm aware English probably isn't his first language. But he's been banging that same drum a while now, it wasn't a one off, so yeah it's definitely intentional. I was fully aware what I said, I didn't forget and I deliberately didn't make reference to it because I expected him to go back and correct himself but he didn't, he actually dug deeper and that says it all really.

Its' going around it seems.

 

[stevoc]

If you're referring to me I will go forward taking the appropriate precautions like I have done at previous times in my life when I've done things deemed at risk.

No idea mate, i'm not keeping track of names. But if you're one of the ones constantly moaning about scare/fear/doom mongering because they can't bare any negativity. Or continually going on about others being terrified etc. then yeah.

When I drive I may not open the door on the other side, but I don't not do it because I take the appropriate precautions that minimize an already low risk.

What?

 

[Finn MacCool]

I once visited the Amazon

Did you try Donna’s cakes?

 

[TheReligion]

Works both ways, there's people here that give the impression they get off on bad news.

For example, as soon as the news regarding the Cologne players came out you could almost see glee appearing through the screens when the usual suspects got a chance to go "I told you so". Another chance to bang the narrative that's it's "not safe" for The Bundesliga to make any attempt at resuming even though people actually living in Germany are systemically correcting them.

You need a bit of time out from this thread I think mate. Don't think anyone is gleeful about the situation. Facts and facts.

 

[Dancfc]

You need a bit of time out from this thread I think mate. Don't think anyone is gleeful about the situation. Facts and facts.

Then that makes it even worse that people are so desperate to glorify bad news while trying to squash even the remotest bit of good.

The difference in reaction and coverage when Germany's R went up to 1 compared to when it went back down to 0.75 or whatever it did two days later says it all.

 

[TheReligion]

Then that makes it even worse that people are so desperate to glorify bad news while trying to squash even the remotest bit of good.

The difference in reaction and coverage when Germany's R went up to 1 compared to when it went back down to 0.75 or whatever it did two days later says it all.

You're taking the whole thing personally it seems and giving off very bad vibes. That's people for you unfortunately. Welcome to the internet!

Just have a break from things

 

[BusbyMalone]

It shouldn't be but that is literally how it is and will always be. This pandemic isn't going to change these things, during or after, we all know post pandemic the same groups will suffer the most from the after effects.

In terms of kits, obviously I don't know the entire inner workings but I would assume the PL have been directly purchasing their resources from the manufacturers and the machines they're talking about bringing in will not be at the expense of the NHS as some people seem to think. You can see it in this thread people literally think its a case of the PL nicking resources from the NHS, I don't think that's what's happening. The problem is we get so many conflicting stories about equipment availability etc that it's difficult to actually fully know what's going on, anyway but like I said in my previous post all emergency services workers are now able to be tested if they have symptoms. But again that's what we've been told.....

You had a lot of stories on how the PL using up the kits would lessen the UK intake because worldwide we're short but then you've got a load of countries saying they've got hundreds of thousands of unused kits, Germany the example. So to me its something the government (who I did defend early on but my stance has changed, the amount of time taking to get these things done has become ridiculous) need to take responsibility for. It'd be great if the PL donated their testing resource to the general public but that's not going to happen.

Absolutely, the PL's main reasoning is probably going to be money but everything they do is for money and maximising profit. But the fact is, the majority of clubs, players and managers want to return too. And they'll likely do all they can to make that happen. Is the summer too soon? Maybe, maybe not. But if all non essential businesses are going to be given the green light to start up again, football is going to be one of those at the front of the queue because they're best equipped to deal.
It might fail spectacularly, we'll see what happens in Germany, but literally everything we do now everywhere is going to be trial and error.

Well according to some specialists that's exactly what could be happening if there's still a relative shortage of kits. Premier League teams are going to purchase their own machines that aren't wildly used by the NHS, but they still need to use swab kits and cartridges which are in relatively short supply. According to specialists, including the president of the Institute of Biomedical Sciences, if these kits are to be used by teams as we believe they are, this could increase the pressure of what's available. Also, I'm not even sure if the majority of managers and players do want to return, so that's certainly not a fact. I've certainly read a lot about players who aren't too keen on the idea of returning so soon. Of course they want to return eventually, but it's the way they're trying to force it through so soon is what I (and some players themselves) take umbrage with.

Fundamentally, we seem to have a difference of opinion. Which is fine. I disagree with the stance you're are taking, but who knows - perhaps June will go off without a hitch. We'll see.

 

[Ludens the Red]

Well according to some specialists that's exactly what could be happening if there's still a relative shortage of kits. Premier League teams are going to purchase their own machines that aren't wildly used by the NHS, but they still need to use swab kits and cartridges which are in relatively short supply. According to specialists, including the president of the Institute of Biomedical Sciences, if these kits are to be used by teams as we believe they are, this could increase the pressure of what's available. Also, I'm not even sure if the majority of managers and players do want to return, so that's certainly not a fact. I've certainly read a lot about players who aren't too keen on the idea of returning so soon. Of course they want to return eventually, but it's the way they're trying to force it through so soon is what I (and some players themselves) take umbrage with.

Fundamentally, we seem to have a difference of opinion. Which is fine. I disagree with the stance you're are taking, but who knows - perhaps June will go off without a hitch. We'll see.

they say that but then certain countries turn around and say they have hundreds of thousands of spare kits. This is what I mean, too many conflicting reports. You’ve also got countries purchasing millions of pounds worth of kits and then saying it doesnt work. This leads me to believe it is government incompetence and not actually a worldwide shortage. It’s actually quite scary that the Premier League appears to be more capable of organising things then the UK government.
At this point what are your main gripes with football starting up? I know you’ve said so soon but it’s already been 6 weeks since a game was played and they’re not actually going to probably start until June which would make it about 10 weeks. That’s a fairly decent period of time.

Then that makes it even worse that people are so desperate to glorify bad news while trying to squash even the remotest bit of good.

The difference in reaction and coverage when Germany's R went up to 1 compared to when it went back down to 0.75 or whatever it did two days later says it all.

That second paragraph is very factual. The resident Germans seemed to quash those “concerns”.

 

[Megadrive Man]

In my eyes all the businesses are always about money. But there's time and place for everything. This isn't the best time to prioritize money when You're already filthy rich.

People who watch football are much greater in number than people interested in B&Q. And just because the football is played behind closed doors doesn't mean the supporters will celebrate and watch matches behind closed doors with only themselves. I guess what I'm trying to say is, why give idiots more chances to be idiots?

The relaxation of the lockdown is going to start on Thursday.

Idiots will always be idiots, but why pander to them?

If they make behind closed doors matches free to air, it would actually encourage people to stay in?

 

[Megadrive Man]

I dont understand the hate premier league gets for trying to be innovative.

If they have the chance to test players and play in an empty stadium why not consider it? Whats wrong with exploring options?

The hatred of ideas in here scares me. If this pandemic will last for years innovation and ideas is what we need.

Agreed. It's almost like some football fans never want to see it come back?!

Football, like all other industries will have to adapt to the virus.

 

[jymufc20]

The relaxation of the lockdown is going to start on Thursday.

Idiots will always be idiots, but why pander to them?

If they make behind closed doors matches free to air, it would actually encourage people to stay in?

I seriously can't see that happening unless your a season ticket holder, the only reason they are pushing for it to finish is money so why would they broadcast the matches free ?

 

[BusbyMalone]

they say that but then certain countries turn around and say they have hundreds of thousands of spare kits. This is what I mean, too many conflicting reports. You’ve also got countries purchasing millions of pounds worth of kits and then saying it doesnt work. This leads me to believe it is government incompetence and not actually a worldwide shortage. It’s actually quite scary that the Premier League appears to be more capable of organising things then the UK government.
At this point what are your main gripes with football starting up? I know you’ve said so soon but it’s already been 6 weeks since a game was played and they’re not actually going to probably start until June which would make it about 10 weeks. That’s a fairly decent period of time.

Well, I think it's only a decent period of time if you believe that things are on the mend somewhat. Now, I don't mean back to "normal' because that would imply a vaccination and we clearly can't wait that long, but when there's still so many deaths and uncertainty it doesn't sit well with me that certain people at the top of the game are so insistent on forcing a resumption so soon. And I know you say about the possible misinformation regarding tests, etc (and maybe that's true), but I can only go on what I've read, and what I've read is experts coming out and voicing their concerns if the game is brought back too soon. Also, you have players and managers who are insistent that the game shouldn't come back until things are approaching a decent level of safety and essential workers are taken care of and tested before we can even think of kicking a ball. I don't see that happening by the beginning of June.

Ultimately, I'm willing to own my bias here and admit that a lot of it comes down to my dislike of how the people at the top have portrayed themselves throughout this. Whether it's the bullshit propaganda of "sporting integrity" and the sanctity of the competition or how we have to "respect the competition" and play it out as soon as possible. Or the self-important tripe of it "lifting the morale of the general public". Give me a fecking break. It's about money and only money; spare me your pretensions of higher moral value.

Saying that I don't think my bias negates anything I've said in my first paragraph. I still genuinely believe it's too soon. Time will tell, of course.

 

[cyberman]

I seriously can't see that happening unless your a season ticket holder, the only reason they are pushing for it to finish is money so why would they broadcast the matches free ?

Theyre worried that fans willl travel to friends houses instead of pubs if they cant see it so it helps with isolation

 

[jymufc20]

Agreed. It's almost like some football fans never want to see it come back?!

Football, like all other industries will have to adapt to the virus.

Some of us don't until it's safe to do so and when this season has been voided so you lot don't get the title.

 

[jymufc20]

Theyre worried that fans willl travel to friends houses instead of pubs if they cant see it so it helps with isolation

Safer to just void in my opinion. They would lose money by broadcasting free of charge and playing BCD, so what's the actual point ?

 

[fck]

Then that makes it even worse that people are so desperate to glorify bad news while trying to squash even the remotest bit of good.

The difference in reaction and coverage when Germany's R went up to 1 compared to when it went back down to 0.75 or whatever it did two days later says it all.

Liverpool fans hope for good news so that the season can finish and United fans hope for bad news so that it gets canceled. The agendas around here are pretty clear by now.

 

[arnie_ni]

Liverpool fans hope for good news so that the season can finish and United fans hope for bad news so that it gets canceled. The agendas around here are pretty clear by now.

United need to finish the season ffs.

How do people not understand this?

We had the change to 2 trophies and to make top 4 and the CL.

If the league is cancelled in any way none of that happens.

We are worst hit of any club bar liverpool, and only because this is their first league in 30 years. If they won last year id put us ahead of them

 

[Garry Buck]

As United fans we should want the league to finish. Like a person mentioned above if it’s cancelled in anyway we are in the Europa again and the likes of Sancho might not be interested in coming to us. We can still still win 2 trophies and finish top 4

 

[Nou_Camp99]

United need to finish the season ffs.

How do people not understand this?

We had the change to 2 trophies and to make top 4 and the CL.

If the league is cancelled in any way none of that happens.

We are worst hit of any club bar liverpool, and only because this is their first league in 30 years. If they won last year id put us ahead of them

Well said.

United n Leicester, as well as those red gobsh1t3s, want the season to be completed more than anyone.

 

[Sandikan]

Liverpool fans hope for good news so that the season can finish and United fans hope for bad news so that it gets canceled. The agendas around here are pretty clear by now.

Yeah - we'll really be celebrating it ending when we're favourites for the Europa, the form team in the battle for 4th, and into the latter stages of the FA cup, with Pogba and Rashford back.

 

[TheReligion]

Liverpool fans hope for good news so that the season can finish and United fans hope for bad news so that it gets canceled. The agendas around here are pretty clear by now.

That clear you've just made it clear you're clueless

 

[christinaa]

Ok chief, I'm confident you can try to post without resorting to the "weird aunt's first angry Facebook post" type of writing.

I'm repeating myself because we're about 50 posts in and you still haven't been able to refute my original point with any sensible arguments, because you apparently prefer to go on unrelated tangents about the "deadly virus". But you did manage to get some all caps going, so that's something!

Give up - you're not making sense any longer.

 

[Tom Cato]

PL has the money to facilitate it, in the same way as I described in one of my previous posts how I had to wait seven months to even be seen about my knee, a footballer gets surgery the next day. Most symptomatic members of the public will heal at home, we know already that anyone that goes into hospital gets tested. Were they not being then yeah there should be outrage.
The PL is not going to spend millions of pounds on equipment to get members of the public tested, that is never ever going to happen. It is the governments responsibility to test members of the public. Tottenham are doing testing for NHS workers, that's the most we're going to get.

I didnt see your previous post so sorry if you actually said this, but the difference between you, me and PL clubs is of course that the PL clubs employ both their own medical staff and pay private clinics with on staff surgeons to perform surgeries, who specialize in sport injuries.

As you very correctly point out, the PL clubs are not responsible to test the public. And why would they be, the entire economy and infrastructure of the Premier League is barely a fart in the wind compared to the British States treasury. In fact, European Football iin its entirety is valued at around £25.1 billion per Deloitte. The Gross Domestic Product of Britain is £2,88 billion. Football compared to the state is absolutely nothing. The state has all the muscles and has the capability to provide tests where they are needded.

 

[fck]

That clear you've just made it clear you're clueless

yes maybe I'm clueless or maybe there's a little truth in what I'm saying.
You won't admit it but if Liverpool gets denied the championship you will be the first one to troll Liverpool fans with "lol maybe next year" posts. Your posting history alludes to that.
Theres is a reason why AFTV is so popular.

 

[fck]

Give up - you're not making sense any longer.

Well this deadly virus will be around for years. So what is your solution? No football for three years and see you in 2024?

 

[Nicoseth]

Voiding the season make little sense. Honestly I don't understand it. Why would we not finish this season - even if it wasn't possible until August, September or even later? Whatever the date for the return to football is, this season should be finished. Teams from the championship will rightfully get promoted and champions league spots and relegations spots will be completed.

I think people have this idea that we void this season then start another one in August or September. If we're unable to finish this season because of covid, why would the next season start?

Personally I think it will come back in June or July and we'll finish the season, short break if any, then start the next one. All behind closed doors, with rounds of games taking place in batches with players being isolated to play games for 3-4 weeks, then off for two weeks, repeating.